Everything's Gonna Be All White
David Weigel | June 5, 2008, 12:12pm
On Monday I
blogged about the rumors of a video that shows Michelle Obama making hateful comments about "whitey." I'm now convinced that Larry Johnson, the blogger who's done the most to make the rumors public, is spreading misinformation. At the least, he's been unable to stick to his story.
Johnson starts getting attention for this on May 26,
recounting intel from "someone in touch with a senior Republican."
I know for a fact that Barack and Michelle Obama would like the tape of her blasting “whitey” during a rant at Jeremiah Wright’s church to never see the light of day.
On the night of May 31,
Johnson fires up the speculation by promising an update by 9 a.m. on June 2. "Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning." The blogs start churning, and reporters fish around. On June 1, Roger Stone appears on Fox News and says he's heard rumors about a Michelle Obama tape. Gleefully, a NoQuarter blogger
completes the Mobius strip and claims Stone has given Johnson "new credence."
A little before 8 a.m. on June 2, Johnson
reveals what he learned from "five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape."
It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!!
The bloggy frenzy increases, with a few possible "transcripts" of the speech making the rounds. Booman posts a
theoretical transcript ("from what I understand") in which Obama says "why'd he" and it sounds like she's saying "whitey." Blogger
MyTownTalks posts part of "an e-mail with part of the alleged speech," in which Obama says both "whitey" and "why'd he," and rants about "the white man" who "let Katrina happen."
Later in the day, Johnson
gleefully updates:
Major Obama donors went to the campaign demanding explanations after the posting of my story on No Quarter about the contents of the videotape confirmed to me by several reliable sources, all Republicans with access to knowledge but who do not know each other. So the campaign created a would-be transcript of the video it says doesn’t exist. In the Obama campaign produced transcript Michelle says “why’d he” instead of “whitey.” Very clever. Then the campaign sent this transcript to key Obamaton bloggers to circulate. And the campaign sent it to the donors to prevent them from having a nervous breakdown.
On the morning of June 3, B-list Democratic pundit Bob Beckel goes on Fox News and speculates that "there might be a big shoe dropping on Michelle Obama tomorrow." Later that night, after all the polls are closed, SusanUnPC posts a photo of Michelle Obama at a June 28, 2004 luncheon from the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition convention in Chicago, posing alongside Louis Farrakhan's wife. It kicks off another wave of speculation. On June 4, a blogger at "HillBuzz" posts a new explanation of what's on the tape and claims it was actually recorded at this luncheon.
For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on "whitey", and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that's when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who's seen this.
Louis Farrakhan isn't there, nor is Hurricane Katrina (which happened a year after this luncheon, of course) mentioned. Nonetheless, Johnson links the post as "BREAKING NEWS from Hillbuzz."
I am not trying to steal thunder from HillBuzz. That blogger is breaking important news.
National Review's Jim Geraghty
finds the schedule of the Rainbow/PUSH event. First, the event was held at a Sheraton 14 miles away from Trinity United, yet Hillbuzz claims that Trinity United was selling a tape of this on the church web site. Second, Bill Clinton spoke at the conclusion of the conference, days after this event, yet Hillbuzz theorized that Obama was raging against Clinton. Third, Obama wasn't a featured speaker at the event: Rev. Jesse Jackson was. Michelle Obama was, with freed POW Shoshanna Johnson, a "special guest." There was no panel. It seems strange that the state senator's wife would give a 30-minute speech during a 2-hour luncheon at which she wasn't even the speaker. Later in the day, Johnson
whines about the pro-Obama bloggers causing a "diversion."
I learned last week that Republicans have a tape of Michelle in a racist rant. She does so while part of a panel discussion. I do not know where this occurred.
That's my emphasis because two days earlier Johnson reported that Obama was sitting with Louis Farrakhan at Trinity United, and a week before that Johnson was already reporting that Obama's rant was at Trinity United. Johnson starts walking back the story by sputtering that "with or without said tape, we do know that the Obamas participated for almost 20 years in a church that espoused racism." But "without said tape," there's no story. Let's rewind it back. Johnson, on June 2:
It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church.
Johnson, two days later.
I do not know where this occurred.
In his peddling of this story, Johnson has altered his description of what was in the tape. I e-mailed Johnson, asked about the holes in the HillBuzz story, and called him a liar. He e-mailed me back.
You and Reason in the same sentence? Now that's funny. I don't recall soliciting an email from you so fuck off.
Until he comes out with a video tape that shows at least one of the many rumored "Michelle speeches," I think that's the last we need to hear from Larry Johnson.
A.R.Yngve | June 6, 2008, 8:24am | #
This whisper campaign is just the latest(?) in the long tradition named "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (after the 196os essay by Richard Hofstadter).
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The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms—he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millenialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date fort the apocalypse. (“Time is running out,” said Welch in 1951. “Evidence is piling up on many sides and from many sources that October 1952 is the fatal month when Stalin will attack.”)
As a member of the avant-garde who is capable of perceiving the conspiracy before it is fully obvious to an as yet unaroused public, the paranoid is a militant leader. He does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician.
Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated—if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention.
This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way.
He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will.
Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional). [...]
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Read the rest of "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" -- it's as timely as ever:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/The_paranoid_style.html
deapp | June 7, 2008, 12:45am | #
McCain makes racist slur against Asian people.
"I hate the gooks," McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. "I will hate them as long as I live." McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent five years in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp, was questioned about the language because of a story last month in the Nation magazine reporting his continued use of the slur. Since then, reports of McCain's language have been circulating on Internet chat sites and e-mails among Asian Americans, many of whom find the the term offensive and inappropriate for an elected official. McCain's appeal to voters has been as a wartime hero and a feisty politician who speaks his mind and damns the consequences. But his comments on the eve of the key South Carolina primary show the candidate's vaunted "straight talk" in another light.
"The use of a racist slur can't be acceptable for any national leader, regardless of his background," said Diane Chin, executive director of the San Francisco-based Chinese for Affirmative Action. "For someone running for president not to recognize the power of words is a problem."
"Historically, straight talkers who say things off the top of their heads eventually hang themselves with those sorts of remarks," said Bruce Cain, a political scientist at the University of California at Berkeley. McCain made no apologies yesterday.
"I was referring to my prison guards," McCain said, "and I will continue to refer to them in language that might offend some people because of the beating and torture of my friends." McCain made it clear that his anger extends only toward his captors. As a senator, he was one of the leaders of the postwar effort to normalize U.S. relations with Vietnam.
But the racial slur used by the senator has a long, painful history that is felt by many Asian Americans. The word "gook" was first used in 1899 by American soldiers fighting Filipino insurgents. During the Korean War, the term was aimed at Koreans and Chinese. It was directed at the Vietnamese when Americans were fighting in Vietnam. It is now used as a slur toward any Asian or Pacific Islander.
The horrors of the past cannot be an excuse for hurting people in the present, said Guy Aoki, president of the Media Action Network for Asian Americans, an anti-defamation group. "If Sen. McCain had been captured by Nigerians, could he call those people `niggers' and think he wasn't going to offend everyone who is black?" Akoi asked. "We can all feel for what he went through, but if that's his level of sensitivity, I'm very disappointed." "I will call right now, my interrogator that tortured me, a gook," McCain said. "(I can't believe that) anybody doesn't believe these interrogators and prison guards were cruel and sadistic people who deserve the worst appellations possible." McCain said he does not consider the comment an epithet.
"Gook," he said, "is the kindest appellation I can give."
JUST THE FACTS | June 7, 2008, 7:41am | #
This is probably why Hillary doesn't want to change her tone, the party is being ruined more and more and we are witnessing it, there greed for power can only be for one reason, to escape crimes like they've done before:
In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!
While Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Al Gore, Ed Rendell, Barabara Streisand, Cher, Stan Lee, Brad Pitt, Mike Wallace, Larry King et al may be called to testify and be deposed starting in May, Hillary alone has been protected from explaining her role in her husband’s fraud charges.
In an astonishing ruling by the Judge, Hillary Clinton may NOT be deposed about her role in the illegal solicitation and cover up of the largest contribution made to her Senate campaign until after the presidential election. This is the same contribution Hillary denied knowing about or receiving when Lloyd Grove of the Washington Post asked her specifically about it and her relationship with the donor, Peter Paul, in August 2000. Its the same contribution her finance director David Rosen was criminally tried in May, 2005, or hiding from her and her campaign. Its the same contribution the FEC fined her campaign for hiding from the voters in three false FEC reports by her treasurer between 2000-2006. (www.paulvclinton.com)
Equally surprising as the ruling was the judge’s request to Hillary defense lawyer David Kendall to “say hello to his ( Judge Munoz”) friend Bill, also a partner in Kendall’s law firm”
The decision to shield Hillary Clinton from civil discovery for an additional seven months, thereby delaying a long postponed trial, was made by the judge on his own, without any request by Hillary or her lawyer to make the ruling. No discussion was permitted by Paul’s lawyer before the decision was made. Judge Munoz’ unilateral decision effectively saved the floundering campaign and hopes of Hillary Clinton to win her party’s Presidential nomination!
Had Senator Clinton be forced to testify under oath, as a material witness and beneficiary of the fraud that her husband is being sued for before the Democratic Convention, her remote chances for being nominated the party candidate would have been unquestionably destroyed.
Hillary has never publicly commented on the case in which she was a defendant from 2003-2006. Nor has Hillary ever commented on the videotaped phone call she made to Peter Paul the day he began spending more than $1 million for her Senate campaign, the false statements she made through Howard Wolfson to the Washington Post denying working with Paul or receiving any contributions from him, the sworn Declaration she made under oath where she refused to deny any of Paul’s allegations, the role her White House aide Kelly Craighead played in coordinating Paul’s expenditures and befirending Paul’s Japanese business partner during a White House visit and many other unanswered questions of illegal conduct.
The illegalities detailed in Paul’s civil complaint and FEC complaint caused Hillary’s finance director to be criminally indicted and tried in 2005 by the Department of Justice Office of Public Integrity (the same group that prosecuted Scooter Libby) for hiding the cost of a fundraiser paid for by Paul. Paul’s FEC allegations forced Hillary’s campaign to admit to the FEC in October, 2005, that it violated FEC reporting requirements by hiding more than $700,000 received from Paul that Hillary personally said she never received.
Hillary’s sworn deposition is expected to reveal numerous illegalities directed by Hillary, with Bill’s help, to win and keep her Senate seat and avoid being accountable to the law. The judge’s sua spontedecision to delay Hillary’s deposition until after the presidential election denies the public’s right to know what a presidential candidate and a former president have done to undermine the Rule of Law and the Constitution by corrupting the Department of Justice Office of Public Integrity and its very Chief, Noel Hillman, federal judge A Howard Matz appointed by Bill Clinton (who deceived the jury in the criminal trial of Hillary’s finance director by telling the jury that Hillary was not involved in any way) and the FEC itself which aided and abetted Hillary filing a fourth false FEC report in January, 2006 that omitted any reference to the $1.2 million contribution the FBI and DOJ swore Paul made.
The Department of Justice prosecutor in the May, 2005 criminal case stated that $1.2 million was personally contributed by Paul at the request of Bill Clinton as part of an employment deal for Clinton’s post White House rainmaking services and was confirmed by FBI Special Agent David Smith as explained by Dept of Justice Prosecutor Dan Schwaber (pages 55,57,72) during the criminal trial of Hillary’s finance director David Rosen in May 2005.
Hillary’s treasurer was later forced to admit filing the false FEC reports to hide more than $700,000 paid by Paul, and fined $35,000 (the only fine imposed on Hillary’s campaign) yet Hillary has never answered one question to the media or the courts about these charges!
In fact, Hillary’s sworn Declaration in response to Paul’s sworn allegations constituted a legal admission to Paul’s charges becauseHillary refused to deny any of the allegations!
Strangely, Hillary admitted to the Washington Post in August 2000 knowing that the fundraising event Paul produced and paid for in August, 2000 cost more than $1 million- yet Rosen was indicted on three counts of hiding this fact from Hillary’s campaign causing 3 false FEC reports to be filed!
The cover-up of the original felony violations of the federal election law committed by Hillary and Bill Clinton (they solicited and coordinated Paul’s $1 million plus contribution as a quid pro quo for Clinton’s post White House employment) have resulted in a corruption of every branch of the government by the Clinton’s- all in plain view of the public and with the collusion of the media and the government. Watergate seems insignificant in the breadth of its public corruption in comparison with what has become the mother of all coverups orchestrated by Hillary Clinton.
To keep up with the case on L.A Superior court, go to the L.A. Superior Court Website and type case number: BC304174
[www.lasuperiorcourt.org]
JUST THE FACTS | June 7, 2008, 7:45am | #
05-19-2008 09:47 PM (151 visitas)
V. Grimaldi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 19, 2008; A04
When Hillary Rodham Clinton questioned rival Barack Obama's ties to 1960s radicals, her comments baffled two retired Bay Area lawyers who knew Clinton in the summer of 1971 when she worked as an intern at a left-wing law firm in Oakland, Calif., that defended communists and Black Panthers.
"She's a hypocrite," Doris B. Walker, 89, who was a member of the American Communist Party, said in an interview last week. "She had to know who we were and what kinds of cases we were handling. We had a very left-wing reputation, including civil rights, constitutional law, racist problems."
Malcolm Burnstein, 74, a partner at the firm who worked closely with Clinton during her internship, said he was traveling in Pennsylvania in April when Clinton attacked Obama for his past interactions with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, members of Students for a Democratic Society who went on to found the bomb-making Weather Underground.
"Given her background, it was quite hypocritical," Burnstein said. "I almost called the Philadelphia Inquirer. I saw what she and her campaign were saying about Ayers and I thought, 'Well, if you're going to talk about that totally bit of irrelevant nonsense, I'll talk about your career with us.' "
In her campaign for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, Clinton has said little about her experiences in the tumultuous late 1960s and early 1970s, including her involvement with student protests and her brief internship at the law firm, Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein. She has said she worked on a child custody case, although former partners recall her likely involvement in conscientious objector cases and a legal challenge to a university loyalty oath.
But her decision to target Obama's radical connections has spurred criticism from some former protest movement leaders who say she has opened her own associations to scrutiny.
"The very things she's accusing Barack of could be said of her with much greater evidence," said Tom Hayden, a leading anti-Vietnam War activist, author and self-described friend of the Clintons.
Robert Reich, who went to Yale Law School with Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton and later served in the Clinton administration, called Hillary Clinton's attack on Obama "absurd," adding: "That carries guilt by association to a new level of absurdity. Where does guilt by association stop? I mean, she was a partner of Jim McDougal in the 1980s, for crying out loud." Reich is now an Obama supporter.
In response to the assertion that Clinton is a hypocrite for calling out Obama's ties to Ayers, campaign spokesman Philippe Reines said: "The comparison is patently absurd." The campaign played down her friendship with a noted student protest leader and defended her work with the Oakland firm. "At the time she worked there, the firm was primarily at the forefront of civil rights advocacy cases, which was a good fit with Senator Clinton's long-standing interest in civil rights and constitutional law," Reines said.
Clinton's associations date to her years as a student leader at Wellesley from 1965 to 1969. It was the height of student opposition to the Vietnam War, and Carl Oglesby, the president of Students for a Democratic Society, came to campus to speak.
"I gave a talk at Wellesley, where she was a student," Oglesby said in a telephone interview from Amherst, Mass., where he is recovering from a stroke. "I can't say that I was a close friend of hers. It was more of a passing acquaintance. I liked her. I think of her as a good guy. I think she has a good heart and a solid mind. And I support her in the current primary."
Oglesby had been close to Ayers and Dohrn, but the couple split with the more moderate SDS factions to form the Weather Underground, which engaged in a bombing campaign to try to stop the Vietnam War. The FBI monitored Oglesby throughout the period.
The Clinton campaign suggested last week that she did not meet Oglesby until the 1990s, long after his activist years. But in recent interviews, Oglesby has made clear that she stood out in his memory as he traveled across the country speaking at rallies.
In 1994, Clinton told Newsweek that Oglesby's writings in the 1960s helped persuade her to oppose the Vietnam War and to become a Democrat. She visited Oglesby in 1994 in Massachusetts, a meeting that was omitted from the First Lady's official schedule. Oglesby told the Boston Globe at the time, "We mostly discussed the '60s. I may have been a little gushy in my praise of the administration, but she was extremely impressive."
Oglesby now talks warmly about Clinton. In an interview with Reason magazine, he called their association "a friendship, a comradeship, within the context of the movement. She and I, for a while, were warm with each other. She and I were semi-close."
But Oglesby said he has not contacted Clinton because he is afraid that he could harm her candidacy.
"A friend of mine mentioned me to her not long ago, and according to him she got a case of the shakes. I think it was because she could imagine if any of her considerable enemies on the right wanted to do her in, they would be happy to discover a relationship between her and me," he told the magazine.
Clinton interned at Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein while attending Yale Law School. The firm defended the Black Panthers, including Angela Davis, and Clinton had been editor of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action, which included articles about Black Panther leader Bobby Seale's murder trial in New Haven, Conn.
Author Gail Sheehy wrote about the internship in her book "Hillary's Choice." Sheehy, who also wrote a 1971 book about the Black Panthers, interviewed firm partner Robert Treuhaft, who described Hillary Rodham attending a New Haven fundraiser for Seale's defense that he threw with his wife, author Jessica Mitford. Treuhaft -- who, with his wife, left the Communist Party in 1958 -- died in 2001.
Clinton kept up correspondence with the British-born Mitford through the early 1990s. "Top students like Hillary were much sought after by huge prestigious Wall Street-type law firms -- some, like Hillary, were far more interested in left-wing firms," Mitford wrote to a friend in 1992.
In her autobiography, "Living History," Clinton details little of the firm's background. She wrote that she "spent most of my time working for Mal Burnstein researching, writing legal motions and briefs for a child custody case."
But members of the firm have different recollections. Burnstein recalled her working on a case involving Stanford University students who refused to sign an oath attesting that they had never been communists.
Walker said that Clinton probably worked on cases to help young men avoid the draft. "We did a whole lot of conscientious-objector work," she said.
Hayden, one of the Chicago Seven who were acquitted of inciting riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention, said he is disappointed that Clinton has tried to taint Obama with guilt by association.
"Once you introduce the concept of guilt by association, everyone is in trouble because there is no end to it," he said. "The goal is to render Barack so unelectable that the party has to turn to her. Because the goal is so narrow and obsessive, she's not aware that she's also going to be collateral damage."
Researcher Madonna Lebling and research editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.
Bagster | June 7, 2008, 2:31pm | #
teddy,
im sure you know what socialism is.....and rest assured that i do too....
are you testing me? sorry, i will not be tested by hippies....i do the testing around here, moonchild...
heres a test for you.....how is obama, rated the MOST liberal senator in the senate after only three short years, NOT a socialist? do you even pay attention?
lets, just for the sake of argument, agree that we both know what the term means....
but with obama, add a hint of racism, and islam, and an angry bitter racist wife and you get a whole nother breed of socialist....dontcha? you have to agree with me on this....after all, yer not a stupid man, right? this is not to mention his greasy associates and spiritual "mentors" (wright, ayers, rezko, farrakhan)....
what is it about you commie america haters that makes you so willing to overlook obvious corruption and character flaws (a la the clinton and kennedy crime families)in your politicians? do you hate america that much or do you just refuse to see.....i cant believe you are that ignorant...
but i could be wrong about that...
bagster
p.s. dude.....consider the possibility that more than one person can have the same opinion on things....not everybody is a blank mind waiting to be told what to say by political pundits....thats more of a liberal trait, dont you think? after all, nothing they believe has anything to do with reason or logic....
liberals = useful idiots
bagster
keep em comin teddy boy
Bagster | June 7, 2008, 5:32pm | #
by "my guy" i assume you are talking about president bush....see? i can figure shit out....
white liberal guilt...let me explain...again....
for some reason, you commie-libs feel guilty about slavery, as if you yourself kept slaves....your guilt leads you to give everything to blacks and to forgive them of all transgressions....trouble with your guilt is this...you still have no respect for black people....you think them incapable of doing for themselves and you treat them like little children, keeping them on your plantation and feeding them welfare checks and affirmative action programs...hell, youll even act like you love a corrupt lying socialist scumbag like obama and vote for him for president....
do you understand your guilt now, teddy?
you should strive to be more like conservatives, and believe in liberty, freedom, and individual rights...we respect all peoples and believe in the human spirit....thats something you utopians just dont get....you are the true racists, my friend....
im gonna assume that you supported bill clinton when he was president....if you did, dont you think its a bit hypocritical of you to call anybody a liar? that man (and his butt ugly lesbian wife) wouldnt know the truth if it smacked them upside the head....and on that note....explain to me what bush EVER lied about....bet you cant....but i guess calling him a liar over and over makes it true, eh? hahahaha....you idiots never cease to amaze me...
so you dont support israel huh? yea that figures.....a jew hater....and you call us the fascists? amazing....youd fit right in at auschwitz, herr teddy....you and the mohammedens can prance around with your gulags and push israel into the sea....thats what this is all about really isnt it ted....
you have revealed your true motives.....you hate jews and christians AND SUVs and friggin golf? wtf has golf ever done to you for gods sake....
ted, i think you may be some kind of left wing fascist jew hating SUVist maniac....
so i guess obama is the perfect candidate for you....he hates jews and christians too....he likes bowling though, ive heard
bagster
typical white person (and bitter too)
lol
Ted | June 8, 2008, 12:47pm | #
McCain has one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate. He is not a Socialist.
He's Pro-Life, he's agreed with Bush on just about everything except Global Warming. He's not as myopic in that regard. He at the very least admits there is a problem. They are even on the same page or close with regards to immigration. He sought support from the Cukoos ( Hagee,ect, ect).
And again, I ask. Why would a former prisoner of war vote against benefits for the troops? He agrees with Bush. Oh it would effect Troop retention. That's just manure. It would cost money. Maybe the Chinese and Japanese want to lend us money for that?
There is nothing anyone can point to over the past 7 yrs and say "Heck of a job Bushie". Not one policy. Nada.
Wait, I stand corrected. They did create some jobs at the airports. Now we can't bring more the 3 oz's of mouthwash. Billions spent on that. But that's ok. Flying is prohibitively
expensive.
And the whole HUSSEIN thing is really to easy. But as we know, there are people in this country that believe Iraq attacked the US on September 11th. Thank you West Virginia and Ohio.
Proto-Socialist, Islamo-Facist,Welfare craving, racist, bla bla bla. No one has Michael Moore to kick around this time?
No one gives a fuck about her alleged racism. It's our own ideas that get's in the way of anything new. Fear. The difference between
Republicans and Progressive ( besides the whole reading/thinkers thing)is we know those feelings are wrong and we can work on them. Denial my friend, it's the first thing we must lick before we can ask for help.
Bagster | June 8, 2008, 2:50pm | #
what you got to be so peeved about teddy boyo? lol
you "progressives" are the funniest....sooo much anger inside this one.....
mccain has a conservative voting record? lol....and i bet you think bush is a conservative too dontcha? dude, you have no idea what a conservative is do you....yea, he voted 95 percent of the time with bush policies but im here to tell ya....bush is no conservative...
for one thing, mccain agrees with you global warning ignoramuses....hes nothing but a pandering suck-up....maverick my ass....the ONLY reason i would consider voting for the scumbag is to keep moslem manchurian candidate commie scum and racist black pigs out of the white house....so yea, i might vote for the douche....
heck of a job, bushie on lowering taxes and kicking islamic ass....oh yea...nice job on the supreme court too....
look teddy....taxes and security are really two very good legacies for a president....i know i know, you crave a more active federal government.....hell, you probably want the government to assign somebody to come tuck your liberal ass in at night.....but guess what.....the government that governs least, governs best.....thats the trouble with you big government nanny state dependant "progressives"....
lower my taxes, kick my enemies ass....and shut the fuck up....thanks government....
and dude...we dont need michael moore to kick around.....we got hussein for gods sake...he makes moore look like john wayne....and good luck getting hussein to debate on veterans or anything military....hahahahahahaha.....hes a bigger pussy than clinton....
bagster
p.s. hey teddy, dont forget to give pog a reach-a-round
Bagster | June 8, 2008, 5:52pm | #
lol
there ya go teddy boy....a little humor mixed in with your commie taking points...it does help...
yep, yer right about both bush and mccain are both non-conservative....they both act under the illusion that, by compromising with the socialists, that they can get the media and the deluded ignorant left wing (people like you) to like them....
they and people like them need to realize that, no matter how you compromise with the left, they will always hate you....
so seriously.....fuck the left....but bush did lower my taxes and he is kicking the shit out of islam....and he did, after some pushing, nominate some decent supreme court justices....so right there hes better than any scumbag democrat that will ever come down the pike....
and please stop touting some g.i. bill as if you are a hawk and give two shits about america or our military....are you kidding me? is it fun to play politics with something you fundamentally disagree with in the first place? all i need to know about the current g.i. bill is that obama voted for it....thats enough to tell me it aint worth a shit....
you are a pretty good conspiracy theorist though ted....ill bet you totally disregarded all the credible evidence of bill clintons cocaine use but sure jumped on the ooo ooo bush used cocaine with absolutely zero evidence...
funny thing about you leftists....you always project your own failings onto your betters....years of a serial grifter and consummate lying scumbag (clinton) you ignore or defend, but when a decent man takes office, you accuse him of all the things your boy was guilty of....
sorta like how you are ignoring the corruption and character flaws of your boy obama....after all, the agenda is all that matters, eh?
as hard as the left has been trying to find some scandal to pin on bush, youd think they woulda come up with something by now, dontcha think? howd that libby thing work out? lol....
just remember...your people are the ones with bad character
for the record....bush's job approval rating, based on taxes and national security is 100% with people that matter....
bagster
Ted | June 8, 2008, 6:25pm | #
Ok. Again, check out McCain's voting record prior to 2000. It's pretty far right.
2nd, I hate the Hannity speak "Hawk". It's pretty pathetic. Do you have any ideas that are your own? I'm not talking about Obama. I'm talking about right and wrong.
The GI Bill was written by Jim Webb (a former Republican,someone who served and has a son serving). It's fairly simple. The same benefits our Soldiers had after World War II. Nothing more. You don't know anything about me or my family. Who has served, who is in the NRA Charter Member, Most of them are Republicans. My brother is a defense contractor with employees in IRAQ and currently Mexico.
None of them are dumb enough to shovel the horseshit you do. You listen to the radio. You watch Fox and you are a sucker. Period.
It's ok. We've been here before. You will no doubt spit out some more bullshit like "oh well, uh, with the information we had uh then, uh, it seemed like Iran was going, uh, uh, going to uh uh develop NUKULAR weapons uh uh and bomb our troops in Iraq and uh uh....uh. uh. What I mean is this is hard work".
There is no conspiracy. NONE. The Iraq deal is simple. It's not about Freedom. Afghanistan was the perfect excuse to start to some shit and make some bucks.
No one is going to take your golf clubs or your hootie cd's. I promise. I bet you like dat Darius Rucker. He's like a white guy.
You fucking typical right wing-scared-pro life, except for people who are different- close minded -golf playing -suv driving - coors light drinking -nascar watching -titty bar going to -bill o'reilly lovin- dick wad.
Bagster | June 9, 2008, 1:32pm | #
"Douche-Bagster
I hope you are prepared to be fucking angry for the next 8 yrs. You can bet there won't be any blow Jobs in the oval office or Wars with Iran.
Get Pissed. Listen to Hannity. You're the racist. I'm sure your Dad is a racist too. That crap usually rolls down hill."
ooo baby i missed this gem....oh yea, if that coke snorting, homosexual, moslem, lying, racist, communist, hatemonger gets in the whitehouse ill be mad as fuck....not at him....he is what he is....but at ignorant fucks like YOU who voted for the piece of shit.....they say we get the kind of government that we deserve, and if we get that appeasing communist arab loving douche then i guess we deserve it.....its a damn shame, really....
america was the last best hope for humanity, after all.....
just another pro tip though, teddy boy....yer the only one that spouted any racist rhetoric on this forum.....remember your friends the jews? lol....racist....
on another note, isnt it funny how in modern america two white males can sit around yelling "YOURE the racist!!' at each other....lol
tell you the truth, if i were a racist, as defined by your racist ass, id be the very first to admit it....fact is, you commies pretend to like blacks but you treat them like little children and take their votes for granted, keeping them on your plantation with affimrative action and welfare checks...you dont think them capable of making it on their own without the benevolence of your government tit....thats the difference between my people and yours, you racist....then when things dont go your way, your true feelings toward them come out, i.e. billy jeff-bob bubba clinton....hahahahahahaha
oh, heres a quote from hillary when she was in the white house, "fucking jew bastard!!"
lol....im the racist? sorry to break your bubble teddy boy, but youre projecting again....
RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahhahahahahaha
bagster
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