Mississippi
The Democrats (33 delegates) - Barack Obama suffered, arguably, his worst news cycle of the campaign in the run-up to the March 4 primaries. You can follow it on the Gallup tracking poll or on the polls of Texas and Ohio, or in the gap between early Texas voting and election day voting: Obama's trajectory shifted at the 11th hour, and he lost. Every indication now, however, points to an Obama recovery. He dispatched Clinton in Wyoming by 23 points (comparable to his Feb. 5 victory in just-as-white, just-as-barren North Dakota), and he should crush Clinton in Mississippi.
This is the deep, deep South, largely rural, and there is no state on the radar at all like Mississippi. But we can compare it to Alabama to get a sense of whether Clinton has gained any momentum in these less "relevent," less-hotly-contested states that she lost badly in the run-up to March 4. In Alabama, 51 percent of voters were black, and they went for Obama over Clinton 84 to 15. But the white vote gap was the largest it's been in any state since John Edwards decided to spend more time with his family—72 to 25 for Clinton. Those numbers, and the numbers of Democrats who 1)rule out voting for the other candidate or 2)rule out a "dream ticket," will be worth watching. Also worth watching will be the white/black proportion of the vote. In 2004, a majority—56 percent—of primary voters were black. And check out how Republican voters break. Will the "Limbaugh" effect continue, or are Republican cross-over voters going to play it straight out of fear of a resurgent Clinton? (The fact that both of the GOP districts, the 1st and 3rd, are holding very competitive primaries, should cut down the crossover vote.)
I'm predicting an Obama win of about 17 points to win 6 or 7 of the 11 statewide delegates. In the heavily black 2nd district (Jackson and the Mississippi Delta) Obama will win in a landslide, scoring 5 of 7 delegates. The rest of the congressional districts, with 5 delegates, will split 3-2: Obama will probably win the 3rd district, Clinton will win the 1st (northeast) and 4th (Gulf Coast).
The Republicans (36 delegates) - Will John McCain win? Oh, obviously. But will he cross the crucial Bush line, the political yardstick I carved while I was writing this post? In 2000, Mississippi held its vote at the exact same time in the cycle as it did this year, right after the front-runner locked up the nomination. That year George W. Bush won 88 percent of the vote against the still-active Alan Keyes campaign (5.6 percent) and the inactive McCain insurgency (5.5 percent). This year Huckabee is still on the ballot, and Paul is still leading his rEVOLution. Will McCain, who has lost every Deep South state save South Carolina to Huckabee, hit 88 percent? I doubt it: I expect him to break 80 percent but watch a sizable chunk of the vote go to Huckabee, then to Paul. (The high watermark vote for an inactive candidate in this election cycle has been John Edwards's 10.2 percent in Oklahoma.)
Other races
Indiana-7: There's a smidgen of suspense in this race to replace the late Rep. Julia Carson. While the Indianapolis-centered district voted by 16 points for John Kerry (up, actually, from Al Gore's 12-point margin in 2000), Indiana Republicans were buoyed by the surprise 2007 election of Mayor Greg Ballard. The Democrats nominated Carson's inexperienced, Islamic-convert grandson Andre: The GOP nominated a rising star from the state House, Jon Elrod. If the Democrats can take Denny Hastert's seat, can the GOP defeat a nepotistic dud in Indianapolis? Probably not. Libertarian candidate Sean Shepard will take protest votes from anti-Carsonites who aren't impressed by Elrod, and enough Democrats will turn out to get Carson to 50 percent at least.
UPDATE 7:26: It's too early to say anything, but Carson is leading the Indiana race. From 0 to 2 Muslim congressmen in less than two years: Virgil Goode was right! Except that Carson, like Keith Ellison, is an African-American who converted to Islam later in life, not a scary immigrant.
UPDATE 8:05: The networks won't call it yet, but with about half of the vote being black and going 91-9 for Obama, and Obama scoring an Alabama-like 27 percent of the white vote, he'll win going away. It might be closer to 56-43 than the 58-41 I expected. Tim Russert's comment that there's a "growing racial divide" here was probably off the cuff, but it's still wrong. This is how white Deep South voters roll.
UPDATE 8:18: John McCain might not break 80 percent of the vote, or even 76 percent. The first exits show a protest vote of about 11 percent for Huckabee and 7 percent for Paul. Ninety percent of voters say they like him, but among the (shrinking) anti-illegal immigration vote he only scored 62 percent.
UPDATE 8:29: Here's a fun number: 37 percent of Democrats have a favorable impression of John McCain. Clinton wins those voters 62-37.
UPDATE 8:32: Maybe the Limbaugh effect is alive. In Alabama, Obama split the independent vote with Clinton and lost Republicans by only 7 votes. Here he's winning the independent vote, narrowly, by 3 points. The Republican vote is going to Clinton by about 50 points. It would be specious to pin that all on Limbaugh, though. The bottom line is that Obama's "I can win the deep South because I'll turn out black voters" is bunk. He has no shot whatsoever at Mississippi or Alabama: His 99 percent of the black vote will be swamped by a landslide of white votes for McCain, many of them from Democrats.
The Mississippi Primary Thread: "Last One of These for Six Weeks" Edition
Comments to "The Mississippi Primary Thread: "Last One of These for Six Weeks" Edition":
Sparky | March 11, 2008, 7:19pm | #
Has there been any comment here about how Geraldine Ferraro appears to have gone insane?http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Ferraro_again_Attacking_me_because_Im_white.html
svf | March 11, 2008, 7:32pm | #
(The high watermark vote for an inactive candidate in this election cycle has been John Edwards's 10.2 percent in Oklahoma.)didn't Romney get 20%+ in Washington state? or was that a "suspended" vs. "inactive" campaign...?
svf | March 11, 2008, 7:39pm | #
McCain wins Mississippi. In other news, bears shit in the woods...peachy | March 11, 2008, 7:40pm | #
I haven't seen any yet - the entire board has been riveted to the spectacle of Spitzer going insane.Diddle some hookers next time, Geraldine!
LevStrauss | March 11, 2008, 8:14pm | #
I wonder if they will cut to breaking Spitzer news if even the smallest thing comes out. These guys on MSNBC remind me of the movie Major League when the announcer is all drunk and the other guy can't talk. That is their level of enthusiasm over the Mississippi Primary. I think Russert is on painkillers.chancelikely | March 11, 2008, 8:15pm | #
Obama and McCain win Mississippi. In other news, Joseph Ratzinger declares himself "a lifelong Catholic."PapayaSF | March 11, 2008, 8:20pm | #
who converted to Islam later in life, not a scary immigrantUmm, you are aware of the tendency of converts to any religion to be even more zealous than the average born-into-it believer?
J sub D | March 11, 2008, 8:21pm | #
Except that Carson, like Keith Ellison, is an African-American who converted to Islam later in life, not a scary immigrant.So he's an apostate Christian. In some nations around the world if you convert from the dominant religion, they will kill you. Here you can get elected.
According to wiki the score stands today at
Jews - 26
Muslims - 1
Buddhists - 2 (one non practicing)
Atheists - 1 (Pete Stark said he is a "Unitarian who does not believe in a supreme being)
Thirty non-Christians out of 435. Proof positive that Christianity is under attack in this nation.
LevStrauss | March 11, 2008, 8:21pm | #
Tucker is at least going down swinging. He had the bunny ranch owner on and asked him what $5500 would get someone and what he thought was up. First time I have heard ball gag spoken on cable news. The Bunny Ranch owner ended the interview by saying that the next time they drag out their wife for their press conference he would slap the guy himself. How do you replace this with David Gregory?Michael B Sullivan | March 11, 2008, 8:25pm | #
So, I get bored waiting for the inevitable victory of Obama and McCain in the MS primary, and go trawling through CNN's exit poll.Here's the subquestion most likely to be endlessly dissected on political blogs:
Opinion of John McCain
Favorable (37%): Clinton 62%, Obama 37%
Unfavorable (60%): Clinton 29%, Obama 71%
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#MSDEM
Possible talking points:
1. See? Look how Clinton's bashing Obama at McCain's expense hurts the Democrats!
2. Hey, isn't it Obama and McCain that are supposed to be fighting for independents, and Clinton who has no common ground?
3. This Proves That Clinton Can Beat McCain.
And here's the sub-question that probably signifies nothing, but I find most amusing:
Among people who answered the question of "Which candidate has a clear plan for the country's problems" with "Neither," Clinton was the overwhelming winner with 70% of their vote.
...I'm just trying to figure out the psychology there. Probably just low information voters.
LevStrauss | March 11, 2008, 8:43pm | #
Michael B Sullivan,I do think McCain can easily beat Obama, but that will have to be a rhetorical victory in stressing the right message and points. Obama has taken independants and Republicans. Many middle of the road voters are pissed at the Republicans. They don't like the boat rocked and the boat has been rocked. Some will still give him a pass. I'd like to see the Latino breakdown on that because I think that will be a big factor. I think Latinos will bounce from Hillary to McCain. McCain drafted legislation that they marched in large numbers to support. Also McCain is not black which does figure with certain groups of Latinos. There is racial tension. Also McCain has Lieberman in his pocket which really helps him with city suburbs. I will be interested in seeing how McCain does in the Philly suburbs, or even how Hillary does, because if Hillary loses the nomination that very well might go to McCain. This election has shown us just how alive and well identity politics are. People are rational animals and animals act predictably when they are not punished for their biases, whether by private outrage or civil punishment.
Cesar | March 11, 2008, 8:44pm | #
Also McCain has Lieberman in his pocket which really helps him with city suburbs.Thanks for reminding me again why I don't want to ever live in the suburbs again.
Obama won it, what a fucking surprise (not). Its going to be his last win until May, though.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 8:57pm | #
1. Clinton is evil. Her attacks on Obama have become more and more, well, from this Democratic leaning voter's perspective, "Republican like."2. Lieberman has little effect anywhere, especially among Democratic voters.
3. Sptizer is of course, a fool. But I fail to see how he is more of a fool than LA's own Senator (GOP) whom everyone has forgot. If Vetter does not have to go, then neither should Spitzer.
MNG, vitter didn't make his whole career viciously prosecuting victimless crimes.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 8:59pm | #
What are the next states? PA? Not good for Obama since the Gov. is for HRC. W.Virginia? No chance for Obama there I'm afraid...Dave Weigel | March 11, 2008, 9:00pm | #
Its going to be his last win until May, though.There are nine primaries left, of which 3 lean Clinton (Penn, Kentucky, West Virginia, 4 lean Obama (North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota, and two are toss-ups (Indiana and Puerto Rico). Obama's favored for 3 of the final 5 primaries, and I think that's why Clinton's campaign want mid-summer Michigan and Florida mulligans - if she wins both, she gets a new momentum burst.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:02pm | #
Cesar-How did Spitzer make his whole career out of prosecuting victimless crimes? Most of his cases he is known for, the wall street cases, almost certainly had "victims" (small time shareholders, small time insurance policy carriers, etc)And actually, Vitter firmly established his career on "family values", of which, the last time I checked, did not involve a Washington DC brothel...
Cesar | March 11, 2008, 9:02pm | #
I think that's why Clinton's campaign want mid-summer Michigan and Florida mulligans - if she wins both, she gets a new momentum burst.Of course. She can't win this without either seating those delegates or having re-dos.
I'm not so sure about NC leaning Obama though. It depends on if the state is more like Tennessee or more like Virginia.
Cesar | March 11, 2008, 9:04pm | #
Cesar-How did Spitzer make his whole career out of prosecuting victimless crimes? Most of his cases he is known for, the wall street cases, almost certainly had "victims" (small time shareholders, small time insurance policy carriers, etc)Spitzer made a big deal about prosecuting prostitution rings. Hes a law-and-order, pro-gun control, pro-regulation, anti-market nanny-stating Lyndon Johnson Democrat, the kind of Democrat I absolutely 100% hate.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:04pm | #
It will be awful for HRC to push and "win" FL and MI....As someone who is on record here defending her unpopular ass, this changing the rules after they were set stuff makes me very, very angry...And you WON'T like me when I'm angry.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:05pm | #
Come on Cesar, until recently you've never heard of Spitzer's prostitution ring actions...He was famous for his corporate stuff.The "corporate stuff" involves promoting laws like Sarbanes-Oxley and other inane regulatory laws which do nothing to prevent fraud but make it way more expensive for law-abiding people to do business. Kind of like financial gun control.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:09pm | #
The news reports I've heard was that he was connected to TWO prostitution ring actions.He was much more known for his corporate stuff. The former was not even known to most people until know.
Don't get me wrong: so many prosecutors are hypocrites that I don't get sad over something like thins.
But Vitter made himself a poster boy of "family values" and then visited a DC brothel. Spitzer is no worse than this. And his party is not all about "traditional morality...."
Dave Weigel | March 11, 2008, 9:09pm | #
It depends on if the state is more like Tennessee or more like Virginia.It's more like Virginia, with a Democratic base that's both more black and more educated than the Tennessee base. There is nothing in Tennessee quite like northern Virginia or the NC research triangle, both filling up with white liberal Democrats. All the recent polls show Obama ahead.
Mr.Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:10pm | #
CesarSarbanes-Oxley is not perfect.
But how did you like Enron? Great stuff, eh? Capitalism at its best?
You know, even GW endorsed S0, because there while not perfect, there was a LOT of room for abuse that had very, very little to do with the "wonders of the market."
random wingnut | March 11, 2008, 9:11pm | #
Obama won Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia - all Atlantic coast states. The Southern states Hillary won are all interior-South, bordering Arkansas.I can't think of any reason North Carolina would go for Hillary.
MNG laws like that often solve yesterday's problems while making it more costly for everyone else.
LevStrauss | March 11, 2008, 9:14pm | #
2. Lieberman has little effect anywhere, especially among Democratic voters.As far as fundraising is concerned I think you are mistaken. Lieberman does hold sway in the suburbs. But since Mika's dad is going to run Obama's foreign policy, Jewish votes will go to McCain in greater numbers come the general. The Catholics in city suburbs will probably go to McCain as well. Throw in the Latinos and you have a problem. People don't think of McCain as Bush, the media will be split and the NYTimes doesn't print video. If Obama can make McCain Bush and not get branded as a complete and total novice he can win, but he has been rather unscathed, the Dem Primary has been a show about nothing. The Republicans can rip him apart.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:15pm | #
Cesar-Something had to be done.I agree what was done, as is often the case, was stupid.
That is so not Spitzer's fault...If you have some case to make about him as a relentless prosecutor of victimless crimes, then make it. Don't assume it.
Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 11, 2008, 9:15pm | #
I'm not so sure about NC leaning Obama though. It depends on if the state is more like Tennessee or more like Virginia.More like Virginia. Tennessee is more like Kentucky and West Virginia. Clinton does well in Appalachia, not so much on the southern coast. (Florida being an exception for various reasons.)
I do agree that having McCain at the top saved the Republican's ass by having the Latinos of the 2000s go the way of the Irish Catholics of the 1850s. That is, respond to insane xenophobia by voting for the opposite party for 100 years or so. Republicans in the Southwest would thank their lucky stars for this if they had any brains.
Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 11, 2008, 9:16pm | #
NEWS FLASH!"joe" admits to being a random wingnut. Fox News is overjoyed. "We wholeheartedly welcome Joe into the fold" said Sean Hannity. "He's one of the good ones, you know, like Zell Miller."
joe | March 11, 2008, 9:18pm | #
That's certainly optimistic, Lev.The brief, passionate love affair between Jewish voters and the Republican Party didn't even last until 2004. Jewish voters want us out of Iraq by large margins, as do Catholic voters.
The economy is going to kill McCain, just because he's the Republican.
Latinos, I don't know. McCain says he wouldn't sign his own immigration bill. I don't know if he can keep both sides happy.
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:20pm | #
Lev-Republicans have, for a long time, assumed that if they take the position that Israel could bomb El Paso and rape most of Concord's women they would approve (and blame it on Arafet), and so they can get a majority of Jewish votes. It ain't happened, and it won't. American Jews are really, really smart, and they like the Democrats...Probably all those ultra-Christian nuts running that party that Jews are not buying into...Maybe AIPAC blows McCain (oh god, you have a big )(*&), but Obama will take positions that will mitigate this, and the usual trends will not be upset by much...Sorry.Cesar | March 11, 2008, 9:20pm | #
You know, it just occurred to me that if Romney ran as a common-sense Eisenhower, business-oriented Republican instead of some phoney-baloney "movement" Conservative he could've won this thing. Especially with the economy the way it is.Anyone agree?
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:24pm | #
Cesar-I don't know if he could have won, because the war he would be forced to support would be tagged to him, but certainly he would have done better to be honest and not such a fake bastard...Look at McCain who stuck to his unpopular positions, and Romney, who was a total, total, and downright offensive tool...joe | March 11, 2008, 9:25pm | #
Maybe, Cesar. I turned around the Olympics, I can turn around this economy.But by the time the economy went south, he was already locked in as the least-plausible movement conservative ever seen.
joe | March 11, 2008, 9:30pm | #
Geraldine Ferraro is talking like a frat guy who finally got back into a room where everyone is white and male."They get everything handed to them! And how come they all sit together in the cafeteria?"
Cesar | March 11, 2008, 9:32pm | #
The "they're attacking me because I'm white" sounded like it came straight from Free Republic. Has she lost it?Or--an even scarier thought--was Grand Chalupa really Geraldine Ferraro?
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:34pm | #
But don't listen to me, I thought, and still think, the Democrats were totally nuts not to nominate someone like Mark Warner or Evan Bayh...The Dems are acting like the Presidency is theirs...And that, for the Dems, is always foolish imo...
Daniel Reeves | March 11, 2008, 9:34pm | #
I can't wait until Obama wins the election. When that happens, the myopic liberals who think they're of the few with the common sense to not hold prejudice against blacks will be speechless. Or should Obama be given electoral affirmative action? That's a good idea. At least __% of the electoral votes must be for Obama, whether he wins the primaries or not (the latter seems unlikely).Daniel Reeves | March 11, 2008, 9:35pm | #
The Dems are acting like the Presidency is theirs...And that, for the Dems, is always foolish imo...When you look at history, that is, that good economic performance correlates with the incumbent party winning the election when adjusted for unpopular wars, then yes, the presidency almost certainly belongs to the Democrats.
joe | March 11, 2008, 9:37pm | #
Cesar,I expect her to start complaining about how white people can't say "nigga."
It's not fair!
Mr.Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:38pm | #
Cesar-I can understand women being upset...They had one of the first women who seemed like a walk for the Presidency (remember, NO woman has come close) and then this guy, who has only been a national figure for a couple of years, began to whup her...If I were a woman, I'd be mad.But I just like to touch (naked) women...So I'm not that upset...I know my wife is pissed about HRC though, but she tries to mask it...
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 9:39pm | #
Is that joe?joe | March 11, 2008, 9:40pm | #
Breaking: Geraldine Ferraro Pissed Off That She Can't Park in Handicapped Spaces"They just sit there, and nobody ever uses them. It's discrimination!"
Sparky | March 11, 2008, 9:42pm | #
"Or--an even scarier thought--was Grand Chalupa really Geraldine Ferraro?"Ha! And she occasionally used the handle F. Le Mur or whatever the fuck it was to throw folks off the trail.
I heard Ferraro on an NPR show (On Point) several weeks ago talking about how Clinton's gender has been treated, and she sounded pretty loony. I heard her on another show (Talk of the Nation) last week and she sounded even more crazy and kind of desperate, taking unprovoked shots at people who disagreed with her. Now she seems to have completely lost it (or maybe she never had it, and she's just lost her ability to pretend convincingly...).
I'm surprised that women actually want the first woman to be President who got there pretty much because of who she married.
Nephilium | March 11, 2008, 10:03pm | #
MNG:Just to go back to the hell that is Sarbanes-Oxley. It's nothing but a giant PITA for anyone who works in IT... If you know the rules, you could still sidestep them amazingly easily, while still "technically" being legal.
In another note, our S-O auditors are in my office this week.
Nephilium
edna | March 11, 2008, 10:26pm | #
the jewish vote? the jewish vote? are you guys kidding? what's that, maybe 5% at best? puh leez.there's more italians in northern new jersey than there are jews in the entire country. why aren't you debating the italian vote?
Cesar | March 11, 2008, 10:28pm | #
there's more italians in northern new jersey than there are jews in the entire country.LOL. Really, there are like what 6 million Jews in the United States out of 300 million people? Its like discussing the gay vote. Too small and leans towards one party too much to matter.
MK2 | March 11, 2008, 10:29pm | #
Ron Paul should be getting the KKK vote. Is Herr Doktor still in the race?Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 10:30pm | #
The Jewish vote may vote lite but they contribute BIG!Plus, in places like FLA, every vote counts and the Jewish (and Cuban) vote is muy important...
IIRC something like 90%+ of Jews are liberal Democrats, despite some peoples fantasies to the contrary. They fight with blacks for the most reliably Democratic group.
Ali | March 11, 2008, 10:43pm | #
Is there any place where I can find the total popular count nationwide so far? Does someone know who has the more popular vote? I heard it was Clinton by a large number.Sparky | March 11, 2008, 10:47pm | #
Ali,Obama's actually ahead by more than half a million votes, or a little over 2%. See the table at the bottom of this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Mr. Nice Guy | March 11, 2008, 10:47pm | #
Edna may want us to think less of the "jewish vote" but they are really, really influential beyond their numbers nationally...$-they give more porportionately
Numbers-in states like FL it really matters
In both cases the Jewish vote is doing nothing different than the Cuban-American vote is doing...
no matter whether the dems nominate the douche or the turd, the miniscule jewish vote (cesar, if you're correct, the jewish vote is waaaay smaller than the gay vote) will not waver. they will vote exactly with their puerto rican brethren.
mng: and in about 48 states (fla and ny excepted), their numbers don't mean a damn thing. less than zero.
Cesar | March 11, 2008, 10:51pm | #
Edan-I guess its safe to say that the Arab vote for the Israeli Parliament is more influential than the Jewish vote for Congress or the President in America.
So, edna, you're a Jewish libertarian right? Does that make you a member of the least influential group in the country?
Brian Courts | March 11, 2008, 11:08pm | #
So, edna, you're a Jewish libertarian right? Does that make you a member of the least influential group in the country?Not even close, said the libertarian atheist. :)
Brian theres good news for us. Atheists are 15% of the population! We're a bigger group than blacks AND hispanics!
Ali | March 11, 2008, 11:10pm | #
So, edna, you're a Jewish libertarian right? Does that make you a member of the least influential group in the country?I would have thought Muslim libertarians would be less influential. I know only of two, if you include me. Only one if you do not.
edna | March 11, 2008, 11:11pm | #
cesar, worse yet, i'm a sephardic jewish vegetarian libertarian.both of us get together once a year for drinks.
Sephardic? I've never met a Sephardic Jew. Y'all are the ones descended from the Jews that lived in Spain, Morocco and the Middle East right?
Ali | March 11, 2008, 11:14pm | #
edna- no problem. Now if I become vegetarian, Muslim, Libertarian, then that is unbeatable....Oh wait, how about a sepharidic, Jeiwsh AND Muslim (they do have a lot in common theologically after all) vegetarian libertarian.
Brian Courts | March 11, 2008, 11:27pm | #
Atheists are 15% of the population! We're a bigger group than blacks AND hispanics!Not sure if I should be happy that atheism is more popular than libertarianism or not... :) Nonetheless, I'm happy to see the "No Religion" category nearly doubled in percentage between the 1990 and 2000 census. That large of a jump in 10 years is very surprising. Now, if we could only get libertarianism to grow at that kinda rate...
cesar, yes, my family was from turkey, trabzon specifically. really more mizrahi than sephardic, but that's not a commonly understood term in the u.s.
zig zag man | March 11, 2008, 11:51pm | #
What? Not a single mention of the excitement that a "brokered convention" will bring? I await the mayhem which will ensue with baited breath./Chicago '68 + 40
I was actually just reading about the 'Empire' of Trebizond... I bet that's not something you hear very often, even around these parts.
Jew Banker | March 12, 2008, 12:14am | #
For all intents and purposes we are "%100 of the vote". I thought you guys subscribed to newsletters?Happy Jack | March 12, 2008, 12:42am | #
Fuck politics. Where's the post on Mary Ann's pot bust?zig zag man | March 12, 2008, 12:48am | #
"Where's the post on Mary Ann's pot bust?"She gets baked in Idaho. Can it get any better, except for the bust:(.
//Mary Ann FTW
Rick Barton | March 12, 2008, 12:48am | #
Mary Ann looks quite good for 69.Rick Barton | March 12, 2008, 12:52am | #
Hey zig zag man, that was like serendipitously, coincidentally, cool!The Professor | March 12, 2008, 12:57am | #
Mary Ann looks quite good for 69.She looks quite good for reverse cowboy too...
Gilligan | March 12, 2008, 12:59am | #
Mary Ann looks quite good for 69.But don't try that in a hammock...
Art-P.O.G. | March 12, 2008, 1:00am | #
The thing about a two-party system is that one party merely has to be more progressive than the other to be considered "progressive". The democratic party is still inclusive of a lot of unfortunate, backwards individuals (as are the republicans). Ferraro's comments were offensive to me, but she's probably still smarting about getting dissed on Wu-Tang's first album.zig zag man | March 12, 2008, 1:06am | #
"Hey zig zag man, that was like serendipitously, coincidentally, cool!"Can't claim credit, I'm only the conduit, but thanks. :)
zig zag man | March 12, 2008, 1:12am | #
"Mary Ann looks quite good for 69."If anything the DEA should try to hide the fact that she is a pot fiend and make her look more haggard, like photo shop some missing teeth or a mole with hairs sticking out.
/I hope I hold up as well as she does!
//
1.Note to self create marijuana anti-aging extract.
2.Market using Dawn Wells photo at 69.
3. Profit in an offshore account.
zig zag man | March 12, 2008, 1:14am | #
If anything the DEA should try toThere, fixed it for me.
/Past bed time
Spitzer | March 12, 2008, 1:45am | #
All you know about me, MNG, is what I've sold you.I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to be AG,
And you bought it.
I didn't care if anyone
was innocent or guilty,
they were all meat to me,
and you bought it,
As long as I reinforced your
liberal prejudices and stuck it
to the MAN, you kept buying it
So, MNG, scorn me or defend me now,
you are no better than I am.
zig zag man | March 12, 2008, 10:39am | #
"Obama won it, what a fucking surprise (not)."The Democratic Convention in Denver is going to be awesome.
That is all.
Art-P.O.G. | March 12, 2008, 1:42pm | #
I've been reading responses to Ferraro's comments on several Democratic blogs and I'm somewhat surprised at how many people are defending Ferraro (and some are even blaming Obama and Axelrod for "playing the race card").This has been educational for me, because even though there are a lot of true progressives in the Democratic party, the amount of mentally challenged bigots, etc. is fairly high as well.
I am seriously so disgusted with a good portion of the Democratic party, but then, that revulsion was why I became a Libertarian in the first place (obviously being a Republican would be just a waste of time).
The hypocrisy of so many Democrats is appalling. (but not you, joe. Stay classy).
I will never, ever vote along party lines. Ever.
Bubba | March 12, 2008, 4:23pm | #
"But we can compare it to Alabama"The ONLY thing that can be rightly compared to Alabama is a gallon of some junkie's bloody diarrhea, combined with a pound of fly maggots, and then run through a high-speed blender.
Art-P.O.G. | March 13, 2008, 3:45am | #
Huntsville's a nice city but I don't much care for much of the region.