Nevada/South Carolina Caucus/Primary Thread/Post (with Predictions)

Three elections are happening tonight: The Republican primary in South Carolina and the dual party caucuses in Nevada. Nobody disputes that the South Carolina primary will have the largest impact. If Fred Thompson doesn't come in at least a strong second—that is, if he doesn't rise to about 75 percent as high as he was when he belly-flopped into the race—the clock will start on when he drops out and endorses John McCain. If Mike Huckabee beats John McCain and stops his surge, the water gets a lot warmer for Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. If McCain wins, he gets a story he's been craving since 2000, and that the media will tenderly and lovingly report.

The Nevada caucuses, however end at 1 p.m. ET, so we'll be hearing their results first. South Carolinans wrap it up at 7. Nevada results here, South Carolina here.

Nevada - The Republicans

1. Mitt Romney (37 percent)
He's the only frontrunning candidate who's put in an effort, and will claim his third "gold." By the end of the day he'll have more delegates than John McCain, but no one will notice if McCain wins South Carolina.

2. John McCain (23 percent)
He's taken the admirable (and correct) position on Yucca Mountain: It's a great place for nuclear waste! But he made an early, correct calculation that this race wouldn't matter.

3. Ron Paul (12 percent)
I'm betting this will be his best state yet: Sizable libertarian vote, low turnout, super-excited (and excitable) base. Only shoddy organizing could keep him from performing well, and from what I understand Vijay Boyapati of Operation Live Free or Die is trying to correct that potential problem. (It's what he told me in New Hampshire.)

4. Rudy Giuliani (11 percent)
Just a guess, here. How many ex-New Yorkers are in this state? How many have been paying attention to Rudy's piss-poor run so far?

5. Mike Huckabee (9 percent)
He's not doing that well outside of farm states and the South.

6. Fred Thompson (6 percent)
He's not doing well, period.

7. Duncan Hunter (2 percent)
The Kucinich of the Right has put in enough effort here to only partially embarrass himself.

Nevada - The Democrats

1. Hillary Clinton (38 percent)
She's winning ugly, but she's winning. It would be a close to double-digit win if not for the culinary union backing Obama.

2. Barack Obama (35 percent)
I wouldn't be shocked if he pulled it out: He's had a good run since New Hampshire, and the Clintons have looked a little ridiculous in their blitzkrieg against the culinary union.

3. John Edwards (25 percent)
I've already got a press release about his "Ol' Timey Back Home, Back Roads Barnstorm" of South Carolina, co-starring Danny Glover and Ben "Cooter" Jones. He'd make a better T-1000 than Robert Patrick: He just won't go down.

4. The others (2 percent)
But Kucinich and Gravel will never, ever drop out. I feel a little bad about Gravel.

South Carolina

1. John McCain (29 percent)
Eight years after getting skunked by George W. Bush in a campaign that's been mythologized everywhere from National Review to Vanity Fair, he'll get his comeback story. He's spent the longest time wiring the state and the weather is good in areas with big clumps of current/ex-military votes. One thing I'll be watching, even though it won't be relevant, is the vote total. McCain won about 231,000 votes in 2000 while losing the election by 12 points.

2. Mike Huckabee (25 percent)
Enough to keep him grinding on into the Southern primaries. He'll make a big play for the Fred! vote after the big guy drops out.

3. Mitt Romney (17 percent)
The bronze! The bronze! *Cue the National Anthem*

4. Fred Thompson (16 percent)
The most humiliating, false-starting campaign since Phil Gramm '96 will come to an end. Doubling down in this state is one of the few things Thompson didn't do wrong, but it's too late. It'll be good for McCain, though: After he drops out Fred will probably endorse him and bolster him in Florida and the Feb. 5 states.

5. Ron Paul (7 percent)
At least he'll beat Rudy again.

6. Rudy Giuliani (5 percent)
Four months ago he was leading in the polls.

7. Duncan Hunter (1 percent)
I think this is the last time I'll even bother predicting.

UPDATE 1:20: Romney's won Nevada. With basically nothing counted, Paul is running in the top four.

UPDATE 1:29: OK, I may have blown this call. The entrance poll has Paul running a very strong second with about 19 percent of the vote.

UPDATE 7:00: I want to share this email I got from a very optimistic, very happy Vijay Boyapati. (The e-mail was titled "It's not who votes that counts; it's who counts the votes" and he got happy after he sent it.)

So taking Stalin's epigram to heart, I decided to volunteer to be one of the folks overseeing the caucus vote in one of Clark County's districts.

The vote was, at least in my district, done in a completely open manner. The Republican party volunteer handling the vote count had people from each campaign sit around a table and directly observe each ballot as it was counted for each precinct. We each tallied the precincts to arrive at a final total. Any discrepancies between counts for each precinct resulted in a recount that everyone was able to observe.

Here are the totals for my district:

Votes:

Romney: 184
Paul: 104
McCain: 70
Huckabee: 38
Thompson 34
Giuliani: 31
Hunter: 8

Speaking with other Paul volunteers across Clark county reflected that we had a strong second place in a number of large districts. Based on my observations I'd be very surprised if we don't come in with second in Nevada. I'll be extremely suspicious if McCain beats, or even comes in a close 3rd.

UPDATE 7:50: The friends I'm watching with are convinced Romney's delegate rack-up will help him eventually win at the convention. I don't think so. If Thompson goes out, he endorses McCain. If Rudy goes out, he endorses McCain.

UPDATE 9:00: Duncan Hunter dropped out tonight, finally justifying one of my predictions. Thompson seems intent to stagger on and play wingman for John McCain against Mike Huckabee, although sounding ever more obvious when he does so.

UPDATE 9:08: The Ron Paul Forums sound pretty jazzed about Nevada, although I see Romney has probably won every county in the state. (WRONG: He's won Nye County. Add that to Jefferson Co, Iowa, and thus far he has won two.)

UPDATE 9:21: McCain wins South Carolina in a squeaker. Turnout is way, way down from 2000, when McCain lost while winning 240,000 votes.

UPDATE 9:46: Steve Gordon has a screenshot that's going to harsh the mellow among Paul fans...

Comments

Gene Trosper | January 19, 2008, 1:33pm | #

Thus far, it seems Ron Paul is in second place in Nevada, just behind Romney. RP has 22%.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 1:35pm | #

I love how all the news outlets are saying "No Republican has won the nomination without winning SC since 1980."

True, but there have only been 3 contested Republican primary seasons since 1980 (88, 96, 00), so it's not like there's a huge sample size.

joe | January 19, 2008, 1:36pm | #

If Paul comes in second with close to 1/4 of the vote, how does that get reported?

The biggest story of the week?

Just shows that Nevada isn't a real contest, like Wyoming?

"X" couldn't even beat Ron Paul?

Figures, with all the gamblers and prostitutes?

Ron Paul is alive in the interior west?

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:37pm | #

Hey, thanks Reason for putting this open thread up. For us political junkies, it's like a continuous intravenous vodka shot for an alcoholic, all day long.

My prediction:

Romney beats Ron Paul. The media is playing this up like SC is more meaningful. It's not, especially for libertarians. SC is the sideshow. A fiscally liberal/socially conservative statist versus the boring old guy.

Nevada is Clash of the Libertarian-leaning Titans. You've got Populist libertarian Ron Paul versus Fiscal Con Mitt Romney.

Romney wins over Paul in a squeeker. And you can quote me on that.

Dave Weigel | January 19, 2008, 1:37pm | #

If Paul comes in second with close to 1/4 of the vote, how does that get reported?

I dunno, but it confirms something I have been trying to report: That Paul organizers think they can surprise in these small, ignored Western states and Alaska. If Paul decides to stay in the GOP race and rack up delegates he could do rather well.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 1:38pm | #

That's weird: the CNN exit polls break down by religion, with categories Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, and "other Christian". Ron Paul cleans up with 34% of the other Christians.

Has he been targetting Nevada's Eastern Orthodox population or something?

Stephen P. | January 19, 2008, 1:39pm | #

I actually think (regardless of who Thompson endorses) that Thompson's votes will go to Romney. Thompson's support is from strict conservatives (especially fiscal ones) and Romney is their second pick.

If the economy goes as bad as I think it will, Romney will win the nomination for Republicans.

If there is a terrorist attack, McCain would probably win.

Clinton will probably win for the Democrats, in which case I will definitely vote Republican regardless of who the Republicans pick.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 1:41pm | #

Dondero,

How is Romney more Fiscal Con than Paul? Oh yeah, I forgot, you have to be terrified of Islamofascists to be a Fiscal Con.

Colin | January 19, 2008, 1:42pm | #

The NBC exit poll has Paul even higher.

jjrding th | January 19, 2008, 1:42pm | #

Wow, you forgot to mention those racist newsletters. Slacking a little, aren't you?

Regarding the terrible, terrible damage Paul is going to the libertarian cause, I like this response:

Writes Jim Smith: "The respectable libertarians are apparently concerned that Ron Paul has been a terrible distraction in the fight for liberty. Well. As one personal observation: The universe of our 20-year-old college student son, and of his group of friends, has suddenly expanded from an orbit of girls and sports to include discussions of foreign policy, the Fed and the role of the federal government in their lives. While they all have Ron Paul bumper stickers on their cars, I can guarantee you that none of them has ever heard of Reason or Cato."

Elemenope | January 19, 2008, 1:43pm | #

crimethink --

LOL at the orthodox vote...I've met more than a handful of *Christians* who are confused about what being a Protestant means and who is included in that designation. I suspect that the press is no less sloppy about its sectarian labeling.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:43pm | #

If Ron Paul can't win in Nevada, you gotta ask yourself where can he win?

Yes, there's still Alaska. But I know AK politics well. It's more Moderate Establishment/Pro-Military Republican. It's a natural base for John McCain.

Nevada is it for Paul. If he loses today to Romney, it's over for his GOP run.

His supporters bragged about how they were going to "kick ass" in Wyoming. 0 - Delegates for Ron Paul.

Then it was, "We're going to take New Hampshire." He ended up with 9.7%, not even getting into double digits.

Today is his last stand. There's no other Ron Paul-friendly states left (save possibly AK), after this.

Certainly NOT Florida where he consistently polls 2 to 3%. And California's no better for Paul. He's always in the 3% range in Cali.

What? Ohio? PA? New Jersey?

Hell, Ron Paul doesn't even have support here in Texas. He placed a distant 3rd in the TX GOP straw poll.

It's Nevada do or die today for Ron Paul.

And only a 1st place or close 2nd will do it for him.

joe | January 19, 2008, 1:43pm | #

Maybe there are a lot of Jains in Reno?

I don't get the "Fiscal Con" Romney bit, Eric.

"Economic Conservative," sure, because he's a big corporate guy. When asked about economic development in the gubenatorial race, he said "I can walk into the office of any CEO in America and...," but I haven't the foggiest idea why you keep singling him out as a fiscal conservative.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:45pm | #

Crimethink, let's not forget about Paul's little - ahem - problem with Pork for his District? Did you forget that little Paul problem? He's not quite the Fiscal Con that some believe.

Paul supports spending cuts for sure. But 9 times out of 10 it's only for Military spending.

tarran | January 19, 2008, 1:46pm | #

crimethink

Didn't you know that fiscal conservatism means having the government force people to do business with a cartel of insurance companies, and having the government take money from people who are good businessmen and give it to people who are bad businessmen?

It's a recent change - happened on 9/11/2001. There was a memo I believe...

Did you get the memo? Would you like Eric to send you a copy?

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:48pm | #

David, 3rd place finish for Paul doesn't cut it. That'll be an embarrassment for him. His people have banked everything on Nevada. They've put all their eggs in one basket.

He's got to beat Romney here.

I'll cut him a bit of slack. If he comes in a close second to Romney, than that will give him some bragging rights.

But anything more than 4 to 5 points down from Romney, ain't good enough.

If he can't win in Nevada where in the hell can he win?

(And don't tell me Alaska. AK is just like Wyoming, and look how Paul did there.)

Adamness | January 19, 2008, 1:48pm | #

MSNBC just had an exit poll up, and it said 63% of independents went for Paul. I think that's the biggest independent chunk any candidate has gotten thus far.

joe | January 19, 2008, 1:49pm | #

Ha ha!

Tweety talks about how Ron Paul won 63% of independents, calls him a libertarian, "like Ross Perot."

Colin | January 19, 2008, 1:51pm | #

He could do well in Alabama.

I read once that his website received a lot of traffic from Alabaman IP addresses. And remember LaRouche once got 20% of vote there in a Democratic primary.

joe | January 19, 2008, 1:51pm | #

Eric begins his comment. "He'd better come in second!"

MDNBC projections come up.

"Uhhhhh....he'd better come within 4-5 points!"

blowhard | January 19, 2008, 1:56pm | #

hey reason, does this mean your smear campaign against Paul is over? You still stink.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:56pm | #

My prediction: When we look back at this a few months from now, we'll see that Paul's result in Nevada will be his high water mark for the entire campaign (maybe with the exception of Alaska?)

I don't see him polling any better in any other State than Nevada, which is tailor made for him from every imaginable aspect: lots of conspiratorialists in Nevada, tax protestors, gambling, brothels, goldbugs, Western gun-toters. It's Ron Paul heaven.

If Paul can't pull a high vote total here, at least in the 40s or even mid to upper 30s - strong second place finish against Romney, he can't make it anywhere.

Anything less than low 30s for Paul is a defeat. Anything in the low 20s is an utter disaster. And adds fuel to the fire that the Newsletter scandal really has had an effect.

Jacob | January 19, 2008, 1:56pm | #

And I thought the surprise racist vote was going to have Paul doing well in South Carolina. I didn't know there were so many racists in Nevada, too! That Don Black endorsement continues to pay dividends.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:57pm | #

Joe, where are you getting those numbers? Can you please post some solid numbers for Nevada here? Thanks.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 1:58pm | #

Colin,

I thought Alabama was die-hard Huckabee country.

Adamness | January 19, 2008, 1:59pm | #

Eric, I don't think that's true. While less than 1% of the vote is in so far, only Romney has above 15% of the vote. If this holds, it's less important on what overall percentage he gets than what percentage he does above 3rd and 4th place.

Jacob | January 19, 2008, 1:59pm | #

Hunter is beating Giuliani!

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 1:59pm | #

Oh my Gosh! Romney has just won!!!!!!!!!!!

Politico.com has this headline:

Romney wins Nevada as Saturday showdown begins

With very scant results, apparently they called if for Mitt. Has Mitt at 41%, Ron Paul at 15%.

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:00pm | #

Exit polls indicate that Paul is going to be second, as Gene indicates above.

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:01pm | #

Eric, these announcements are based on exit polls not real counts. The exit polls (see first comment by Gene) puts Paul at lower twenties.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:01pm | #

Adamness, Politico.com has a big headling up saying Romney has won. I don't think they would have called it, if they didn't have hard numbers.

If true, A FANTASTIC DAY FOR MAINSTREAM LIBERTARIANS AND FISCAL CONSERVATIVES!!!

Who gives a flying f*ck about SC's primary: Huckabee vs. boring ass McCain. Ho-hum.

This one was far more important.

Thanks Nevada! You all Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adamness | January 19, 2008, 2:02pm | #

Aside from the Ron Paul business, is it just me, or is Giuliani running the dumbest campaign in this entire election?

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:03pm | #

Okay, okay guys I hear ya! I'll wait another few minutes for the firm call from CNN or Fox. But Politico.com is calling this race.

Gonna go on over to Race42008.com and check. Be back in a few...

Warty | January 19, 2008, 2:03pm | #

Oh my Gosh! Romney has just won!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus Christ. What a dork.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:05pm | #

Be back in a few...

Hand lotion is under the sink, kleenex is on top of the toilet.

Fluffy | January 19, 2008, 2:06pm | #

This has got to be a fake Dondero. I hate Dondero and everyone knows it, but not even I think that Eric is this much of a dork.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:06pm | #

Eric,

I have Chris Matthews yammering in the background.

That's some funny sh*t right there. Did you know Ross Perot was a libertarian?

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:06pm | #

Minutes ago from Fox News:

Early returns showed him taking 46 percent in the state, followed by Ron Paul and John McCain with 15 percent each, Mike Huckabee with 9 percent, Fred Thompson with 10 percent and Rudy Giuliani with 3 percent.

Also ABC News is reporting Romney as the Winner.

Jacob | January 19, 2008, 2:07pm | #

Eric,

How is a candidate that believes in government-controlled healthcare and economic micro-management good for libertarians? Everybody on the Republican side save Huckabee is better than Romney on economics. McCain remains the only one of the top 3 that won't give us universal health care.


I just can't believe the s*** that comes out of your mouth sometimes.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:07pm | #

Dondero, have you officially covenanted with Romney yet? Or are you still clinging to hope for Rudy? Because Mitt extending his delegate lead is bad news for Hizzoner.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:08pm | #

Oh my Gosh! Romney has just won!!!!!!!!!!!

I would like to remind everybody that I totally didn't do that when John Kerry won his primaries.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:08pm | #

This is important. ABC News exit polling suggest:

Romney won broad support among Nevada's Republican voters, according to preliminary entrance poll result analysis by ABC News.


That means Romney won among all camps: evangelicals, moderates and fiscal and defense conservatives.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:09pm | #

The exit polls (see first comment by Gene) puts Paul at lower twenties.

Which is exactly why Dondero said lower 20s would be a disaster, after having previously said 3rd place would be the end of Paul. He's such a clown.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:10pm | #

Guys this is your weekly reminder that Dondero is a brown-nosing political hack and he's just trying to make it look like he's been on the winner-du-jour's side the entire time.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:10pm | #

If Fiscal Con Romney won Nevada, then which Romney won Michigan?

Dude doesn't just LOOK like a Ken doll.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:11pm | #

Crimethink, I know. You are 100% correct. I am still where I've been since last August, a firm "Romnathompsiani" supporter.

But things don't look good for Fred or Rudy. So, I'm urging all Economic Conservatives to unite behind one single candidate, particularly Post-Florida.

My worst nightmare: Rudy backs McCain after losing Florida over Romney. I think that will really hurt the Fiscal Con cause.

2nd worst nightmare: Fred endorses McCain tomorrow after the SC primary.

I'd like to see both Fred and Rudy united behind Mitt.

Fluffy | January 19, 2008, 2:11pm | #

Without his robot Mormon voters Romney would have been toast today, Eric.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:11pm | #

Malubu Romney. Romney Dream House. Fiscal Con Romney. Adventure Romney. Pro-Life Romney. Health Care Romney.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:13pm | #

Guys, Bingo is a lying sack of shit who obviously doesn't read my Blog Libertarian Republican nor my website Mainstream Libertarians. Both are highly public sites with hundreds of visitors a day. Anyone can go back and check the archives and see where Bingo is completely wrong on this.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:14pm | #

Okay, enough of the jabbering. David Wiegel put this Open Thread up to discuss the results, not philosophy or issues.

Anyone have any more latest results to report?

Is Romney still at mid-40s?

Where's Ron Paul at now?

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:15pm | #

Exactly Fluffy.

We're really seeing identity politics in action here. Huckabee wins because of the evangelicals, Romney wins because of the Mormons. The flock will always vote for one of their own, no matter what their stance on the issues may be.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:15pm | #

Malubu Romney. Romney Dream House. Fiscal Con Romney. Adventure Romney. Pro-Life Romney. Health Care Romney.

Joe, that would make a great negative ad for the Democratic nominee if Romney gets the nod.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:16pm | #

Dondero, you were pushing really hard for Giuliani most of last year. You didn't start wavering to Thompson and Romney till Huckabee started surging at year's end.

I'm not going by your blog, cause I don't enjoy reading tripe, I'm going by what you've written here.

Fluffy | January 19, 2008, 2:16pm | #

Still waiting to here you square your support for Romney with Romney's Hillarycare health insurance schemes, Eric.

All that time you stood in the snow to collect signatures, and now you back a socialist health care scheme?

For shame.

Fluffy | January 19, 2008, 2:17pm | #

Yikes, how embarrassing. I'm waiting to HEAR you square those opposites, Eric.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:18pm | #

David Wiegel put this Open Thread up to discuss the results, not philosophy or issues.

It's a good idea to avoid discussing the issues if you back a slimeball like Romney. Whereas, Rudy and Fred can't even point to results.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:19pm | #

That's your problem Crimethink. If you don't wish to read my Blog, than screw you.

All the facts are up there for all to see.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:19pm | #

Again, enough of the jibber-jabber. Anyone else have any solid numbers out of Nevada to report?

Last I heard Paul was in the 15% range. Someone else reported 22%. Which is correct?

John-David | January 19, 2008, 2:20pm | #

Google is cool. Guess who once proposed Rudy running on the LP ticket?

http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2007/06/rudy-giuliani-libertarian-for-president.html

James | January 19, 2008, 2:20pm | #

There have been few things as enjoyable as seeing Giu911ani getting crushed so thoroughly, man what a retard.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:22pm | #

I didn't dive into the sewers of the archives, Dondero, but you have seemed to jump on the Freeper bandwagon of saying Obama is secretly some kind of radical Muslim. Classy.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:22pm | #

Guys, Bingo is a lying sack of shit who obviously doesn't read my Blog Libertarian Republican nor my website Mainstream Libertarians. Both are highly public sites with hundreds of visitors a day. Anyone can go back and check the archives and see where Bingo is completely wrong on this.

1. I'm not going to read your fucking blogs, the website design sucks and they read like a political version of a 3rd grader's essay on "Why I like Santa Claus so much"

2. "highly public" what does that mean? Everything on the internet is highly public. Whats more telling is that "hundreds of vistors per day" is jack shit in the internet world, especially considering how much you spam that link.

3. You've endorsed Giuliani, Thompson, Romney and McCain (on the grounds of "at least he's not Huckabee!"). So yes, you are a brown-nosing political hack that wants to be seen as supporting the winner.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:23pm | #

Both Fox News and Politico.com are reporting McCain and Paul tied for 2nd with 15% each.

Romney romping with 44%.

As far as I know this is the biggest victory yet for any GOP candidate in any of the primaries. Right?

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:24pm | #

Lord knows I don't want to defend Romney and Dondero, but it wasn't "his" health care plan in Massachusetts.

It was a compromise plan, mostly the Speaker of the House's plan, as negotiated with Ted Kennedy and the Senate President. Romney just filed off some rough edges.

Fluffy | January 19, 2008, 2:25pm | #

You're kidding me - Eric buys into the secret Muslim Obama conspiracy theory?

That is so fucking typical, man.

I will have to add that to my list of links to Eric's greatest hits.

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:25pm | #

Eric, this isn't very hard to understand. The 22% number comes from exit polls and not actual votes.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:26pm | #

I've endorsed John McCain? Really? Where? Show me some link? Show me some sort of post of mine, where I endorse John McCain for President.

Sure, I respect the guy's Military Service. But that's about it.

The ONLY way I'd vote for McCain is if he picked a Sarah Palin or a JC Watts or a Butch Otter or a Mark Sanford as his running mate.

My endorsements:

1. Rudy Giuliani

2. Mitt Romney

3. Fred Thompson

4. Wayne Allyn Root

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:26pm | #

Again, enough of the jibber-jabber. Anyone else have any solid numbers out of Nevada to report?

I was down 85 bucks, so I went to bed.

I can deduct that, right?

Fluffy | January 19, 2008, 2:26pm | #

OK, so Romney's in first and Paul's in second.

What place did Saddam Hussein's secret Oklahoma City bomber come in, Eric?

How about secret Muslim Obama? Is his running in this one?

James | January 19, 2008, 2:27pm | #

Dondero, you seem to be a Republican who lacks the intellectual integrity of a Libertarian...in other words a Republican and if the past 7 years are any indication a total Zero.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:27pm | #

No, its real fluffy. Read it hier.

Clearly, Marxist Muslim Madrassa-attending Barack HUSSEIN Obama's win on the Democrat side. This is scary for our Nation, really, really scary. Think Manchurian candidate you all.

Not that Hillary is much better. But at least she's a Real American Gal. Mis-guided yes. But she doesn't scare ya, like the prospects of an Obama Presidency. With Hillary, at least the entire Right is united against her. With Obama, we're all likely to be shuffled off into political correctness re-education camps and all of our wealth confiscated.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:27pm | #

Ali, I guess we got to go with the hard numbers coming from Fox and Politico.com. I'm escaping for a few minutes to check some more sites.

Race42008.com is always the best.

Be back shortly...

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:28pm | #

Eric,

Last I heard Paul was in the 15% range. Someone else reported 22%. Which is correct?

15% is the figure from the reporting precincts, 22% is from the exit polls.

James | January 19, 2008, 2:29pm | #

1. Rudy Giuliani

2. Mitt Romney

3. Fred Thompson

4. Wayne Allyn Root


Geez...can't believe your endorsements haven't tilted the race more...

Foxhunter | January 19, 2008, 2:29pm | #

Whatever, Rittberg...

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:30pm | #

Think Manchurian candidate you all.

Here are my Manchurian candidates: Clinton, Rudy, Mitt (yes, Mitt).

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:30pm | #

Clearly, Marxist Muslim Madrassa-attending Barack HUSSEIN Obama's win on the Democrat side. This is scary for our Nation, really, really scary. Think Manchurian candidate you all.

Eric, that's fucking deplorable. Lemme guess, you also think that your Ken Doll's ACTUAL religion has no place in respectable discourse.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:32pm | #

I'm still trying to figure out how one can be a Marxist and Muslim at the same time, given that materialistic atheism is a requirement to be a Marxist. Did you sleep through Political Theory 107 in college Dondi?

tarran | January 19, 2008, 2:32pm | #

Eric threw Giuliani under the bus after Iowa; since then he's been looking for a new patron in McCain or Romney.

I would think Romney would be the logical choice: he's rich, his political connections seem to be in urban areas etc.

Thus he and Eric have alot to offer to each other. Eric can keep repeating false propaganda to the effect that Taunton has historically been a part of Minehead and that Romney is fiscally conservative, and possibly convince the Freepers and the Redstaters that they are true, and Eric can continue to get cushy civil service jobs like working on the draft board.

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:32pm | #

Oh, and I'd throw in McCain as a Manchurian Candidate as well.

John-David | January 19, 2008, 2:33pm | #

Noticed on the county maps that Romney is slaying in the counties bordering Utah. I wouldn't call that a ringing endorsement of his libertarianism.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:33pm | #

Ali: What about Huckabee?

Jacob | January 19, 2008, 2:34pm | #

Enough for me. I'm off to watch the UFC pay-per-view at my local sports bar. Let's hope Paul comes in second! White power! (Just kidding about that last part, oh reporters who will be googling my every utterance 30 years from now)

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:35pm | #

Ali: What about Huckabee?

He does not fit my notion of a Manchurian candidate. Huck is a simply a Christian populist.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:35pm | #

I'm back. Here are the latest hard numbers from CNN:

Romney was cruising with 45 percent of the vote early on, but a dogfight was on for second place.

Sen. John McCain had 16 percent of the early vote, Rep. Ron Paul had 15 percent, and former Sen. Fred Thompson had 11 percent.

Spike | January 19, 2008, 2:35pm | #

Dondero is a weasel. He only posts here to tweak real libertarians. Since his daddy, Ron Paul rejected him he's been clamoring for attention.

Here's a hint Dondero, Mittens switches sides more often than a sex crazed bisexual. You can't trust what he'll do. Besides, believing in magic underwear is a sure sign of insanity.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:36pm | #

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:32pm | #

I'm still trying to figure out how one can be a Marxist and Muslim at the same time, given that materialistic atheism is a requirement to be a Marxist.

Dammit, Cesar, now he's going to tell us!

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:36pm | #

Eric, we know how to use the internets, you know.

John-David | January 19, 2008, 2:36pm | #

McCain has exactly 5 more votes than Ron Paul right now, according to Politico's live results. With only 3.95% of the results in I wouldn't get to worried yet about McCain.

Dog's New Clothes | January 19, 2008, 2:36pm | #

"Think Manchurian candidate you all."

Well Mitt's daddy was brainwashed, so it probably runs in the family.

John-David | January 19, 2008, 2:37pm | #

Sorry, delegates, not votes.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:38pm | #

I just thought of something. If Nevada reports early in the day, all over CNN, Fox, Politico, ect... won't that effect the SC race which is open til 7:00 pm est. tonight?

Wonder if there will be a Pro-Romney shift among South Carolinians throughout the day, now that he's won back-to-back Michigan and Nevada wins?

Warty | January 19, 2008, 2:40pm | #

A comment from tarran's Monty Python link:

USA can't afford to lose its best ally in the world. If you declare war with the USA, all of the countries in Euorpe will declare war on the two countries. It is sucide for america to enter such a useless effort against England.

Eric, you're not the dumbest person on the internet. Rejoice!

Foxhunter | January 19, 2008, 2:40pm | #

Still 0% reporting in Washoe County...

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:40pm | #

Here's a hint Spike:

William Weld, the very man who practically put the term Libertarian Republican on the map in the early 1990s, is not only a Romney backer, but he campaigns with him often.

If Romney is good enough for self-described "Hayekian Bill Weld" he's damn sure good enough for me, and worthy of broad libertarian support.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:41pm | #

Hey Eric, is it Islamofascist now or has it changed to Islamomarxist?

Fu Manchu | January 19, 2008, 2:41pm | #

All your candidate belong to us.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:41pm | #

Dondero,

Washoe Co is a Nevada's 2nd largest county, and Ron Paul country through and through, and there are less than 100 votes counted so far from there. So, we'll see.

I wonder if those counties next to the Utah border were checking for proof of NV residency. I'm guessing not.

Keith | January 19, 2008, 2:43pm | #

Dondero:

Have you actually lived in Alaska? Besides spending your time in the cold (Alaskans don't consider 10 degrees cold) waving signs, how long have you spent in the state.

Just wondering because I live in Alaska and Ron Paul will do extremely well and has a very good chance of winning.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:43pm | #

Also, Romney had 69% of the vote in White Pine Co, which is almost fully reported now.

Foxhunter | January 19, 2008, 2:43pm | #

There are still lots of Mormons near Utah, I mean they are a political force there.

See Harry Reid.

Thomas Paine's Goiter | January 19, 2008, 2:44pm | #

Oh my Gosh! Romney has just won!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone else get a serious Stimpy vibe here?

Happy Jack | January 19, 2008, 2:44pm | #

Here are my Manchurian candidates: Clinton, Rudy, Mitt (yes, Mitt).

I thought Mitt! was the Stepford candidate.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:44pm | #

Besides, believing in magic underwear is a sure sign of insanity.

Not to defend Ken Doll Mitt, but all the other candidates in the race believe in the resurrection of the dead, which is just as insane as believing in magic underwear IMHO.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:45pm | #

Yes, Eric, Romney the Establishment Mormon from the Northeast is totally going to surge in SC.

Good call man, its clear why you have done so well for yourself in the political jungle.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:45pm | #

William Weld? The guy who lost to that moron John frickin' Faso in the NY-GOP gubernatorial primary last year? That dude's a loser if ever there was one.

Kolohe | January 19, 2008, 2:46pm | #

I just thought of something. If Nevada reports early in the day, all over CNN, Fox, Politico, ect... won't that effect the SC race which is open til 7:00 pm est. tonight?

Wonder if there will be a Pro-Romney shift among South Carolinians throughout the day, now that he's won back-to-back Michigan and Nevada wins?

Wow, this is actually a cogent thought and a plausible hypothesis. An acorn, indeed.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:47pm | #

Agreed, Bingo. The South is an island unto itself these days. I don't think they're going to care what people in Detroit, Ann Arbor, and - what's Las Vegas's nickname again? Oh yeah - Sin City think.

Rick Barton | January 19, 2008, 2:47pm | #

Eric Dondero is full of BS!:

He's not quite the Fiscal Con that some believe....Paul supports spending cuts for sure. But 9 times out of 10 it's only for Military spending.

What nonsense! Of the 435 house members, only 2 have voted to spend less of our tax money than Ron Paul:

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=117

You can't compile a stellar record like that by only voting to cut military spending 90% of the time. It's not possible!

Eric Dondero, you shouldn't be calling yourself a "libertarian" or a "conservative". You don't appear to understand even the rudiments.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:48pm | #

Bingo, that's why they invented Vice-Presidential picks. It's a concept called "balancing the ticket." But you being a college Poli Sco drop-out ya probably just can't get your brain around such a concept.

sage | January 19, 2008, 2:48pm | #

Just wondering because I live in Alaska and Ron Paul will do extremely well and has a very good chance of winning.

I lived there, and my sense of the political landscape is people who want to be left alone. Now who's the candidate that fits that in a nutshell...here's a hint, it rhymes with Ron Paul.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:49pm | #

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:45pm | #

William Weld? The guy who lost to that moron John frickin' Faso in the NY-GOP gubernatorial primary last year? That dude's a loser if ever there was one.

AND YET his record of being able to win elections is indistinguishable from Romney's. Won a Massachusetts governor's race, lost another statewide race.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:49pm | #

Eric, I wouldn't be dissing anybody for their poli sci knowledge when you're the one who thinks its possible to be religious and a Marxist at the same time!

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 2:50pm | #

Also the fact that Eric endorsed Giuliani as the clear choice for libertarians... lol

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:50pm | #

Eric,

I've heard of the concept, and I know it works. Still, anyone who votes for a presidential candidate because of who his VP is is an idiot. How much difference to McCain's presidency do you think it would make if Sanford was his running mate?

Elemenope | January 19, 2008, 2:51pm | #

Jesus Christ. What a dork.

First I took this literally, and thought, well that's kind of unfair. I mean, I guess you could call him something of a Torah dork...maybe a little God-geeky. But not more generally.

Then I realized that it was referring to Dondero, and everything became clear.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:51pm | #

Keith I lived in Alaska for two months in 2006 - outskirts of Anchorage. Have family that live north of Wasila on that huge Lake.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:52pm | #

As opposed to, say, Mike Huckabee as his running mate, that is?

x,y | January 19, 2008, 2:52pm | #

Holy shit Dondero, you're not just a moronic, ass-kissing-power-hungry-wanna-be -- you're also a big fucking tool.

Derek | January 19, 2008, 2:53pm | #

Eric, you are something else. I wish you'd post more because your posts are always unintentionally hilarious.

James | January 19, 2008, 2:53pm | #

"Clearly, Marxist Muslim Madrassa-attending Barack HUSSEIN Obama's win on the Democrat side. This is scary for our Nation, really, really scary."


Trying to figure out Dondero is like trying to figure out Hannity or Coulter, there is no need, they are not operating from any ideolgical base or intellectual integrity, they are just dicks...thats all you need to know.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:53pm | #

Hey Bingo, you're so quick to diss me, but let's talk about whom you might be supporting?

Still in that Ron Paul camp?

Or is it that jolly ole' George Phillies?

Or maybe the Marijuana guy Steve Kubby?

If Paul, are you happy with his 2nd place tie 15% showing today?

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:54pm | #

DONDERRRROOOOOOOO how is it possible to be a radical Muslim and Marxist at the same time?

Spike | January 19, 2008, 2:54pm | #

Dondero, we know you're still sore about your daddy, Ron Paul rejecting you. Its ok. Go ahead, take your blankey and suck your thumb. You'll feel much better.

I could give a rat's ass about Weld. He's a Washington insider. He has libertarian rhetoric, but that's about it. He's George W's towel boy also, need we say more?

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:55pm | #

Eric is, in fact, descended from harp seals.

prolefeed | January 19, 2008, 2:55pm | #

No surprise that Romney won both Wyoming and Nevada, the states with the third- and fourth-highest percentage of LDS members according to this (somewhat outdated) link

I predict Romney sweeps the Mountain West, with Ron Paul also doing quite well throughout the region, with this caveat:

The big question is whether McCain or Romney wins Arizona -- lots of LDS (fifth-highest percentage of LDS members), but McCain's home state.

Keith | January 19, 2008, 2:55pm | #

Eric:

Just go away with your pathetic attempt to discredit anything Ron Paul does.

Mitt Romney is a fucking weasel and changes his opinion to fit whichever state he is campaining in. His fiscally conservative policies told Michigan voters he would cough up money from the federal coffer to bring back auto worker jobs.

"I will make a five-fold increase – from $4 billion to $20 billion – in our national investment in energy research, fuel technology, materials science, and automotive technology." Mitt Romney

Mr. Pandering could have Murray Rothbard's freaking endorsement and still wouldn't make him Libertarian.

Cesar | January 19, 2008, 2:55pm | #

Eric is, in fact, descended from harp seals.

Joe, thats deplorable.

Apologize to the harp seals now.

joe | January 19, 2008, 2:56pm | #

Dude's grandparents live in a lake in Alaska. Whaddya want from me?

Ali | January 19, 2008, 2:56pm | #

In the 1950s the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood fought the communists to death. The state (Nasser) fought both to death. Nasser was a nationalist socialist, but neither a marxist nor an Islamist.

Back to the vote.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:57pm | #

Hey Spike, or should I really call you Jake?

Who you supporting? Are you a Ron Paul guy Jake... oops I meant to say "Spike."

If so, you happy today with Paul's "whopping" 15% showing?

James | January 19, 2008, 2:57pm | #

Dondero reminds me of this Republican jackass I worked with at the Minnesota capitol...he would sit in his corner at his desk and listen to Limbaugh and Hannity and listen to a cd of patriot songs on his headphones...on his lunch break he would read from the Bible. He was a total tool, so socially awkward and everybody hated him...probably went home and created a blog.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:58pm | #

Prolfeed, I guess you didn't read the CNN quote:

Romney won "broad-based support" in Nevada according to the Exit Polls. Go to CNN.com and read the article for yourself.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 2:58pm | #

Hey guys! I have no principles! If he wins and lets me be his personal ball-washer, I'll support him to the end!

He was also endorsed by libertarian (person that you have never heard of) and (second person you have never heard of).

Oh yeah! 9/11! Islamofascism! BOOGAH BOOGAH!

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 2:59pm | #

Dondero thinks everyone chooses who to support by whether they're winning right now. How adorable.

Ministry of Infodero | January 19, 2008, 3:00pm | #

We have never supported Giuliani, we have always supported Romney. Repeat: we have never supported Giuliani, we have always supported Romney.

All readers who believe otherwise, report to our blog to read how we stood in the cold handing out pamphlets twenty years ago making us the arbiter of libertarian-ness for all time to come. Read how we solicited hookers in a very libertarian fashion until you come to love Big Dondero.

Derek | January 19, 2008, 3:01pm | #

"Joe, thats deplorable.

Apologize to the harp seals now."

I laughed pretty hard at this one. It's almost too easy to make fun of Dondero. The guy has turned into a caricature of himself.

joe | January 19, 2008, 3:01pm | #

prolefeed, I wouldn't read too much into Wyoming. That caucus system is the most ridiculous nominating contest I've ever seen. Being a registered voter doesn't allow you to vote.

Ditto Nevada. He's the only candidate other than Paul who really made an effort.

I think McCain will be right there with Governor Goodhair throughout the interior west, with Paul polling third and fourth.

Spike | January 19, 2008, 3:01pm | #

Dondero, Call me Ishmael. oooops, I meant to say GFY.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:02pm | #

Hey Keith, buddy, friend, give me some truth there... Let's have a bit of honesty between friends now okay?

Come closer for a sec Keith.

Ya happy with Ron Paul's whopping 15% showing today in Nevada?

Help me out here. I mean, I've always heard that Nevada was the "most libertarian" State in the Nation, next to Wyoming and New Hampshire of course.

Yet ole' Ron Paul failed to get into double digits in WY or NH, placing 5th, and now here in Nevada, despite spending mucho bucks, he's got 15%.

Fair to say you'll be popping open the champagn glasses tonight with the ole' wifey over Paul's glorious Nevada victory?

Foxhunter | January 19, 2008, 3:02pm | #

Rittberg is right about a lot of things Alaska. There are two parts of the establishment there. There is leave me along and there is military. Despite McCain's poor 2nd amendment record, I would put more than a few people in his camp. Remember, this is the state that takes the greatest influx of federal money per person despite the outward attitude (although much of that is thanks to the corrupt Don Young and Ted Stevens).

However, if Ron Paul started running ads talking about guns and his 2nd amendment commitment compared to the other candidates, he would get more than 50% of the vote there. Seriously on that.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:03pm | #

I always support the candidates that win, and when they don't, I just change candidates! LOL I'm such a tool.

crw | January 19, 2008, 3:03pm | #

I'm starting to hope for a brokered convention, with Paul having just enough delegates to be the kingmaker. That way presumably we can keep old Huckabuck locked out. And it would be delicious to see the mainstream Republicans one-upping each other on the fiscal conservatism.

John-David | January 19, 2008, 3:04pm | #

To be honest, Paul has 12% right now, 2 lousy stinking votes (I mistakenly corrected myself earlier to say delegates) behind McCain. I don't know who wouldn't be happy with a second place showing by Paul in Nevada.

Hell, it might even influence the late primary voters in South Carolina!

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:04pm | #

CRW, if they have a brokered convention they will nominate GENERAL PATREUS!.

Pig Mannix | January 19, 2008, 3:04pm | #

Finally something all libertarians can agree on - Dondero is a horse's ass!

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:04pm | #

Winning is for losers. I've never won anything in my life. Thus, I'm a winner.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 3:05pm | #

Foxhunter,

Too bad the morons in his campaign staff will probably run all anti-immigration ads in AK. Gotta keep those Canucks and Chuckchis from sneaking over the border.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 3:05pm | #

Eric:

For what it's worth, I'll decide when election day comes. If Paul runs third party, I'll throw a protest vote his way. If its Huckabee vs. Obama, I'll vote for Obama, just because the Big Government Evangelical wing of the Republican party needs to fuck off and die.

Outside of those scenarios, I'll probably not vote at all because none of the candidates represent the ideals that America was founded on.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:06pm | #

Wuzzup? I'm confused. Why the silence here from the likes of Crimethink, Jake, Fluffy and the set?

Again, who are you all supporting?

What's the matter? All backing away from Ron Paul now?

Don't let that little Newsletters scandal scare you off. Don't let Ron Paul's run of 4th and 5th place showings in less than double digits, run you away. Don't let his "eggs in one basket, becomes broken eggs in a basket" aka "We Will Win Nevada" strategy cause you to doubt your man Ron.

Step up to the plate. Have the courage of y'all's convictions.

Let's hear it Crimethink? Fluffy you too. Spike. Where's that rascal Thoreau?

I want to hear you say on the Reason H&R Blog:

"I Still Support Ron Paul for President"

Say it loud and clear.

Ayn R. Key | January 19, 2008, 3:06pm | #

Dondero spaketh thus:

My endorsements:
1. Rudy Giuliani
2. Mitt Romney
3. Fred Thompson
4. Wayne Allyn Root

Three of these things belong together
Three of these things are kind of the same
Can you guess which one of these doesn't belong here?
Now it's time to play our game (time to play our game).

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed the fourth is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 3:06pm | #

Dondero, you're being serious, right?

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:06pm | #

Oops, I should've included Bingo, as well.

Let's hear it Bingo. Ya still supporting "Da Man" Ron Paul?

Jacob | January 19, 2008, 3:07pm | #

McCain is close! RP fans, lets get a posse together and make an example of a few of them.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:07pm | #

Giuliani will win! 9/11!

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 3:07pm | #

See my post right above yours, Eric.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 3:07pm | #

Dondero, yes, I still support Ron Paul for president. Are you trying to say something?

Keith | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

@ Sage:

You are aboslutely correct about people wanting to be left alone. This is why Ron will do so well. All the others are a bunch of douchebags who want to intervene in every aspect of our lives.

For instance ANWR is a big issue in Alaska and the majority of Alaskans want it to be opened up for drilling and despise other state reps. deciding that it should be left alone. It is a BIG issue in Alaska and Ron Paul has consistently stated it should be left up to the state to decide.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

Guys, I base my political support on whom I'm most attracted to at the time. Ron Paul was cute back in the day. Alas, he rejected my advances, so he can go to hell.

I had a deep man crush for Mr. 9/11. Until, I saw his weak showing in several states. Recently Mitt caught my eye. After a few drinks, he looks like Reagan.

Jacob | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

Ron's entrance polls will probably be higher than his final vote. RP supporters crowd around any pollster/reporter in sight.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

So Bingo has the guts to come forward and declare for a candidate.

His choice?

Barack Hussein Obama.

The very man who managed to score a perfect 100% from the Marxist ADA.

The man who one of his IL Senate colleagues said of, " had a voting record just to the Left of Chairman Mao."

I guess you can still be a Communist/Fascist and still have some libertarian appeal, right?

Derek | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

"Don't let that little Newsletters scandal scare you off. Don't let Ron Paul's run of 4th and 5th place showings in less than double digits, run you away."

Kind of like how Giuliani's run of showings behind Ron Paul caused you to hop on the Romney bandwagon?

Dondero, you're a tool and a hypocrite and you'll never amount to more than that.

Pig Mannix | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

Well, at this moment, CNN is reporting McCain leads Paul by a total of 2 votes:

McCain 1,040 12%

Paul 1,038 12%

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 3:09pm | #

And if any of the other people you mentioned are not supporting him any more, it's not because he's doing badly in the polls. Don't try to equate your craven support of whoever's winning with other people withdrawing support because of the newsletter scandal.

joe | January 19, 2008, 3:10pm | #

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:04pm | #

CRW, if they have a brokered convention they will nominate GENERAL PATREUS!.

...who will fly his airplane to the convention and be welcomed with thunderous applause.

Eric Dondero | January 19, 2008, 3:10pm | #

Okay, Crimethink, we've at least got you on the record. Yes, I am trying to say something.

Question?

If Ron Paul can't win in Nevada, just where can he win?

Welchero | January 19, 2008, 3:11pm | #

The Paul showing in Nevada today is totally insignificant. We should all ignore it and act as if it were part of the CNN "pie-blank". Only Guiliani is a true libertarian . . . I'm mainstream, I should know.
Paul supporters should feel lousy about today's dismal showing. They should give up. Paul is done - he will announce that he is pulling out of the race. He will retire to Texas in ignominy, and all of the fringe loons that supported him will be forced to vote for Guiliani - the only true libertarian.
Never mind that Paul has bested him in every state thus far. That is meaningless. What matters is what mainstream people like me think . . .

Foxhunter | January 19, 2008, 3:11pm | #

Actually, if he did illegal immigration in AK, then he would want to focus not on Canadians or Mexicans, but rather...

...don't laugh...

...the Koreans and the Polynesians. They are by far the biggest immigrants to Alaska and some of them illegally.

Derek | January 19, 2008, 3:12pm | #

There's more to life than winning, Eric. Some of us vote based on principle. My guess is you're not really familiar with that concept since you don't appear to have any principles.

Spike | January 19, 2008, 3:12pm | #

Dondero, I'm a Duncan Hunter fan. He reminds me of Ernest Borgnine.

Bingo | January 19, 2008, 3:12pm | #

Yeah, thats exactly what I said.

crimethink | January 19, 2008, 3:13pm | #

Dondero,

That's not my concern. I'm supporting him be