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Paul's appearance with Wolf Blitzer didn't do it for me.

I haven't been in the libertarian movement long (I'm 32, and I really only became a full-fledged movement libertarian at 25, when I started working for Cato). But reading the long-time activist's descriptions of those newsletters and how they were written, edited, and distributed, when Paul says he had no idea who wrote them, and that he rarely read them—well, I simply don't believe him. Nor do I think that would be a viable excuse even if it were true.

I thought his appearance was overly defensive, lacked any sort of contrition, and found it wholly unconvincing.

Take Paul's discussion of the drug war's impact on minorities. Yes, it was spot-on. But I've been watching this campaign fairly closely, and I believe that's the most time to date that Paul has spent talking about the drug war. I've actually been surprised at how little he has discussed it. His position on the drug war is one of the main reasons why I was encouraged by his candidacy. This campaign could have represented the first time ever (that I know of) that a GOP candidate challenged his rivals to defend the failure and moral corruption of drug prohibition in a nationally-televised debate. It hasn't happened. That his longest discussion of the drug war to date had to come only after he was confronted about the newsletters, and in the context of defending himself from accusations of racism, is unfortunate. And perhaps telling.

Here's the other thing: Paul talks in the Blitzer interview about how the drug war has disproportionately sent black people to prison. He's right. Black people use drugs in proportions only slightly higher than their share of the general population. But the proportion of blacks in prison for drugs crimes is substantially higher. They are far more likely to get arrested for drug crimes, far more likely to be convicted, and even when facing similar charges, tend to receive longer sentences than whites.

A big reason why is the latent sentiment at every level of the criminal justice system—from cops to prosecutors to jurors—that black people are inherently more prone to criminality than white people. It's sort of the opposite of "group rights." It's "group wrongs"—or punishing black people on a individual basis for perceived transgressions by black people as a group. It's also a form of collectivist thinking—the antithesis of libertarianism.

I have no idea if Paul is a racist. I suspect that he isn't, at least today. But he's certainly had no problem benefiting from the support of people who are. It's more than a little disingenuous for him to now defend himself by invoking what the criminal justice system has done to the black community when for fifteen years a newsletter bearing his name, and the profits from which went into his bank account, celebrated and encouraged the black-people-are-savage-criminals lie in particularly vile and perverse ways.

The newsletter defended the Rodney King beating, for God's sake, on the bullshit argument that King was part of a criminal class of people. The implication is that some people deserve substandard treatment under the rule of law because of the color of their skin. There's nothing remotely libertarian about that.

Whether he was active or passive in the newsletters doesn't matter. Paul perpetuated that way of thinking for more than a decade in a newsletter he published. He did it during the 1980s and 1990s, the very period over which the drug laws exacerbated the white-black disparity in America's prisons. He can't now use the "blacks are treated poorly by our criminal justice system" defense to distance himself from those very newsletters.

Perhaps it's too much for us to expect Paul to turn over the names of the paleo types who wrote those screeds (if it's true that he had no hand in writing him himself—which I'm having a harder and harder time believing), to apologize that they ever went out under his name, and to disavow and repudiate the beliefs of the paleolibertarian supporters who have propped him up for most of his career, some of whom he still calls friends.

But if he can't, it's also too much to ask libertarians who find those views abhorrent to continue to support him.

I have defended Paul on this site and on my own site. I'm sad to say I'm becoming more and more embarassed at having done so.

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Comments to "Paul on CNN":

gaijin | January 11, 2008, 2:32pm | #

Sheesh...the horse is dead already.

Shane Brady | January 11, 2008, 2:32pm | #

Spot on Radley.

Sam Grove | January 11, 2008, 2:35pm | #

He addressed the WOD issue at a black, or African-American, sponsored forum. I recall seeing youtube video of same.

It hasn't come up in the debates. The RP campaign should do ads on it.

Lost_In_Translation | January 11, 2008, 2:36pm | #

Radley,

Does this indicate that you'll be switching to the LP for your candidate?

I think for alot of us, the choice is still between Paul, Giuliani, Huckabee, Romney, McCain, Obama or Clinton. Although I don't like it anymore, Paul is still better than them.

some dude | January 11, 2008, 2:36pm | #

Ron Paul talked about the drug war at the Baltimore debate.

Bingo | January 11, 2008, 2:36pm | #

This one is 150 posts easily unless Weigel gets a RP post in right after

John C. Randolph | January 11, 2008, 2:37pm | #

"Perhaps it's too much for us to expect Paul to turn over the names"

Damn right it is. Why in the hell are you demanding a witch to burn?

-jcr

Jamie Kelly | January 11, 2008, 2:37pm | #

The horse is dead already.

Ron Paul called the horse a nigger. Let the horse have his day.
Good column, Radley.

Mark D | January 11, 2008, 2:38pm | #

So what is the real story? Is the Ron Paul Newsletter a news letter of hate, like the Dallas News says: "...piles of newsletters sent out by the Texas congressman in the 1980s and 1990s that were filled with racist, anti-Semitic, gay-hating rhetoric, a crackpot chrestomathy of extreme right-wing conspiracy raving."

Or is it a handful of articles in published between 1988 and 1992?

Lost_In_Translation | January 11, 2008, 2:39pm | #

"Damn right it is. Why in the hell are you demanding a witch to burn? "

Some of us don't need names, but we do need Paul not to spin the truth.

sage | January 11, 2008, 2:39pm | #

Look, he's not a full on libertarian. He's a republican. Is this the worst thing a republican has done (Larry Craig, Mark Foley)? It was a lapse in character for sure. Paul is now persona non grata with the Reason folks. WE GET IT.

javier | January 11, 2008, 2:40pm | #

While i definitely don't agree with the paleo types, at least they are active. I mean, have the cosmotarians ever fielded a candidate this high in the process?? I wish the tolerant cosmotarians were as active and gave a shit as much as the paleo types. But as we have learned worried abouthey are just t whether or not the will be embarrassed at their next cocktail party inside the beltway.

ed | January 11, 2008, 2:41pm | #

Are there any supporters left?
Warren's been kinda quiet lately.
This one might just have taken him over the edge.

Grand Chalupa | January 11, 2008, 2:41pm | #

Radley,

As someone who finds the entire way we talk about race in our culture bizzare and quite sickening, I want to ask you a few questions. Do you buy the argument that a program "disproportionately affects minorities" is a good reason for or against something? Am I wrong in thinking we just assume white inferiority? Shouldn't we pass a law based on its overall fairness, regardless of what particular people is hurt or helped? And does it seem right to you that every group is aloud to push for its own interests, except whites?

I'm particularly disappointed when I hear conservatives and libertarians talking in that language.

ian | January 11, 2008, 2:41pm | #

I too am disappointed by this...I'm still planning on voting for him in my primary, but it will be more of a protest vote, rather than something that reflects my true beliefs.

Radley Balko | January 11, 2008, 2:42pm | #

I don't give two shits about cocktail parties inside the Beltway.

I do care about my having defended a guy who helped perpetuate the very problems I write about on a regular basis.

Episiarch | January 11, 2008, 2:42pm | #

Well, this is certainly turning into a really spectacular circular firing squad. Yes, let's have another endless round of slicing and dicing the newsletter issue. We go down in flames arguing about Ron Paul, yet convincing ourselves we are pure, while the libertarian momentum built up by Ron Paul disintegrates.

Ron Paul isn't the issue, he is merely a flawed messenger. Focusing on shooting the messenger is stupid.

Guy Montag | January 11, 2008, 2:43pm | #

Radley,

I was thinking pretty much the same thing as you after reading that earlier piece on H&R today.

Although I was never a supporter of Dr. Paul for president, this news is quite a disappointment.

See you at the Big Hunt tonight! Don't forget to bring fiat money for cigar lighting.

Mike | January 11, 2008, 2:43pm | #

Mr. Balko,

As someone else pointed out, Ron Paul did discuss the WOD on a nationally televised debate. So your claim that he doesn't discuss the matter unless he's being called a racist is a bit disingenuous.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 2:43pm | #

But as we have learned worried abouthey are just t whether or not the will be embarrassed at their next cocktail party inside the beltway.

Please shut the hell up.

I consider myself a cosmo (def: tolerant of homosexuals, comfortable in other cultures and probably a tinge hedonist) and I don't go to cocktail parties.

Quit being a little twerp.

Look for the "cosmo" candidate in 15 years.

It might be me.

Fluffy | January 11, 2008, 2:43pm | #

Although there's no "stump speech" per se and Paul seems to pretty much wing it at appearances, at at least four appearances that I either attended or saw on Justin.tv Paul talked about the drug war.

The media won't talk about his anti-drug-war stance, but that doesn't mean he hasn't talked about it, Radley.

I've been thinking more today about why Paul won't throw anyone under the bus, and I'm starting to consider the possibility that the language of the newsletters was deliberate. Not deliberate in the sense that Paul is a racist who wanted to whip up black sentiment, but deliberate in the sense that the language was a marketing ploy. The target market for newsletters talking about the collapse of the international financial system is made up of middle-aged rural white guys who like to daydream that they are the star of Damnation Alley or Wolf and Iron. Appealing to those folks requires a certain amount of "the Dark Ages are coming, the economy will collapse, Y2K will get us all, and the cities will empty out barbarian hordes upon the land" type rhetoric. Maybe the reason Paul won't out these folks is because he is afraid they will just say, "He told us to appeal to Timothy McVeigh types so we could get their dough, so that's what we did."

Guy Montag | January 11, 2008, 2:44pm | #

I don't give two shits about cocktail parties inside the Beltway.

Does that mean you are not attending the gathering tonight?

R C Dean | January 11, 2008, 2:45pm | #

"Damn right it is. Why in the hell are you demanding a witch to burn? "

The claim that someone else wrote that stuff is an essential element of his defense. Its not credibility-enhancing to say "Someone else did it, I know who they are, and I'm not going to tell you."

Maybe he has a good reason for not disclosing. If so, he hasn't bothered to share it with us.

I can't think of a good reason not to tell us. These were newsletters written for wide distribution; they were not exactly confidential documents. I don't know why the identity of the author(s) should be kept confidential.

I might ask you, in turn "This is repellent stuff. Why the hell shouldn't we demand personal accountability for it?"

gorak | January 11, 2008, 2:46pm | #

I think the blood of our soldiers is more important than the newsletters. You can have their blood on your hands if you want, but I am still voting for Ron Paul.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 2:46pm | #

I do care about my having defended a guy who helped perpetuate the very problems I write about on a regular basis.

BINGO!

Statistics are meaningless when it comes to crime, because each individual has a trial.

Paleos like to point out the high crime rate among blacks but they never say why they point it out. I know why they do it; it's to race-bait.

Cosmos point this out too, but we attribute it to the very statistics the paleos have been pimping.

Isn't it convenient that the paleos won't trust the Fed to handle money but they'll jump up to quote the FBI when it suits them? And the only time they do it is to point out the higher crime rates among minorities. Because they're a bunch of yokeltarian hick racists.

Good-bye, folks. The adult libertarians don't want you around anymore.

Gavin | January 11, 2008, 2:47pm | #

Boo, Radley.

Radley Balko | January 11, 2008, 2:47pm | #

Do you buy the argument that a program "disproportionately affects minorities" is a good reason for or against something?

Well, I happen to believe in the rule of law, which requires equality before the law. So if a policy results in one group of people being treated differently than another (the crack/powder cocaine sentencing disparity, for example), then yes, I think that's an excellent reason to oppose it.

And does it seem right to you that every group is aloud to push for its own interests, except whites?

I have no problem with white people objecting to laws that are unfair to white people. I think it's perfectly legitimate for white people to object to affirmative action at state universities, for example. Not only that, I agree with them.

Rimfax | January 11, 2008, 2:47pm | #

"...lacked any sort of contrition,..."

Yes, and lacked any sense that contrition was warranted.

Sam Grove | January 11, 2008, 2:48pm | #

Cosmolib = pragmatic
paleoconlib = moralistic

Waddayathink?

Guy Montag | January 11, 2008, 2:49pm | #

There has GOT to be a good conspiracy fable in all this stuff someplace. Where are the 9/11 truth guys? Can't they come up with smething? Like the letters were planted by time traveling CIA agents and Dr. Paul was brainwashed in Tailand while in the Air Force?

Note: I am on the side of Mr. Balko on this, but I do love the rantings of the conspiracy nuts :)

The Democratic Republican | January 11, 2008, 2:49pm | #

There is always going to be a huge divide between those who think the newsletters are a big deal and those who don't. I am in Balko's camp on this one, and I don't live anywhere near the Beltway.

The number of times Paul has actually talked about the WoD is irrelevant to Balko's main point.

And while we're on the subject, I've seen all those paleos in action that people keep talking about, and I've come to the conclusion that it's generally an embarassment to have them associated with any type of movement, libertarian or otherwise, that wants to respect cultures and tolerate differences.

Bingo | January 11, 2008, 2:49pm | #

I'm cosmotarian for sure, and the newsletter thing has definitely tarnished RP's image to me.

BUT

Like Ayn Randian I'm excited about whoever that future cosmo candidate is. And I'm definitely voting for Paul because that vote is a smack in the face to the statist assholes I see at all the debates. The message is great, the messenger is flawed, some people got egg on their face about it, but its important that the message FINALLY got delivered.

Sam Grove | January 11, 2008, 2:49pm | #

One woman I talked to recently wouldn't consider voting for RP because he was 'too libertarian'.

Smear works both ways.

el profesor erótico | January 11, 2008, 2:50pm | #

Sorry for the repost, but...

At a minimum, Dr. Paul was very foolish for allowing others to write bad things in his name. Everyone seems to agree with that. So, let’s condemn him, rightly, for his mistake.

Now, let’s take a look at the log in our own eye.

“We the people of the United States…” Here are some of the things that we allow to be done in OUR name that go far beyond expressing impolite thoughts.

Starving the children of Iraq
Bombing the people of Iraq
Supporting the dictator of Pakistan
Raiding medical clinics in California and stealing sick people’s medicine
Counterfeiting
Taxation
Torture

We vote, we accept the outcomes of elections, we pay our taxes without protest; we add our affirmation that this is a legitimate government. I hear all the time about the difference between the government of the united States and the people of the united States, but look whose name is at the top of the founding document.

Jonathan Blanks | January 11, 2008, 2:50pm | #

Focusing on shooting the messenger is stupid.

True. But when you focus on the man, and not the message, as the Paul backers have done, then the man becomes the target, obscuring the message.

I don't think Paul should resign over this, but he should drop the bid. The more people continue to support him in the face of all this, the worse off his supporters (aka libertarians) look -- which will be interpreted as libertarians backing a racist.* As marginalized as we are now, that would be worse.

*I don't assert that Paul is a racist. What I do assert is that politics is based perception and that is how a continued campaign will be taken. It is not whether that perception is right or wrong - that's just the way it is.

greg | January 11, 2008, 2:51pm | #

Really, I though this was a libertarian web site. Because from the sound of it lately it looks like a commie style party purge to me. He apologized for allowing this under his name while he was busy running his medical practice and he won't name names. Fine. Good for him. I would think less of him if he stooped to the witch hunt level. Also - Rockwell has indicated to the original author at TNR that he knows who wrote it and that they are not part of their organization any more. He also will not name names or apparently engage in this.

I have read both reason and lewrockwell for years. I have never seen a racist article here, on lew rockwell's cite, or on the mises blog/site. While this site is geared towards liberatiran current events and politics of interest to libertarians, mises and lew rockwell are more directed to libertarian history and the philisophical underpinnings of the movement which was born out of the collapse of the old right.

Seriously is it a little to much to ask for some solidarity with the most consitent anti-big government candiate in recent memory. The REASON that the democrats and the republicans run the show (and increase the size of the government while they are at it) is because when they are hit with old smears on election day they rally around the candidate and fire back, not collapse into a circle knife fight among themselves.

I am far more ashamed of the purge style retoric here than of any of Paul's actions thus far.

Lost_In_Translation | January 11, 2008, 2:51pm | #

sam,

did you get her to explain what she meant by "too libertarian"?

Kent in Soviet Kanunckistan | January 11, 2008, 2:51pm | #

Why does no one bring up the blatant anti-Arab and anti-Muslim hatred expressed by the other Republican candidates? The newsletters never recommended bombing campaigns on the inner cities or killing tens of thousands of innocent people. How blind some people are to the popular prejudices of their times.

Jack | January 11, 2008, 2:51pm | #

I think shooting the messenger is perfectly appropriate when he isn't carrying your message. Ron Paul has brough public shame to ideas that were just beginning to catch on--he deserves his descent into ignonimity.

Francisco Torres | January 11, 2008, 2:52pm | #

I've actually been surprised at how little he has discussed it.

I am amazed you would be surprised... Because either you have not been following his campaign and his speeches, or you are downright lying.

Nor do I think that would be a viable excuse even if it were true.

I suspect that in this case no amount of apologizing would be enough for you; even Ron's self-immolation would not cut it. The man already took moral responsibility for this, but he is not the writer's father or babysitter nor does he have a responsibility to name such a person. So why keep this nonsense?

Whether he was active or passive in the newsletters doesn't matter.

This is the most spurious of all statements I've read. So damned if he did, damned if he did not?

Me, personally, I do not know if he ever read some of those newsletters or not. I do not think he cared, being overly interested in other matters. If some a$$hole published a newsletter under my name so a strictly limited subscription base, I would not have the time to review every single word and phrase to make sure not one offensive comment is printed. People get paid to do that full time, and Paul was already doing something else.

The question is this: What more do you want? Nobody remembers those newsletter, the few copies around came from an archive. Few people actually read them. Who cares?

Edward | January 11, 2008, 2:53pm | #

My respect for libertarians, or at least for Balko, has just skyrocketed.

The Democratic Republican | January 11, 2008, 2:54pm | #

El Profesor -- Read Lysander Spooner: There is no such thing as "the people." And our failure to lose our lives to an unjust regime is no statement of consent to that regime. All we can do is our best to change the system and withdraw our consent from injustice.

That's why, I've decided, protest votes are wrong. Tactical votes are wrong. Vote your conscience, or don't consent to the system as it is construed.

gorak | January 11, 2008, 2:54pm | #

I would rather back a racist than a warmonger.

Andrew | January 11, 2008, 2:54pm | #

Really, I though this was a libertarian web site.

Borderline, but I think that's worthy of a DRINK!

crw | January 11, 2008, 2:54pm | #

Cosmolibertarian candidate?

Drew Carey for President!!

Les | January 11, 2008, 2:56pm | #

I would rather back a racist than a warmonger.

You could always choose back neither.

Lost_In_Translation | January 11, 2008, 2:56pm | #

At this point, i'd vote to elect a stiff drink to the presidency, perhaps a nice Bourbon.

Jamie Kelly | January 11, 2008, 2:56pm | #

My respect for libertarians, or at least for Balko, has just skyrocketed.

Oh, we were just WAITING for that, Edtard.
Hey everyone! Did y'all get that?
Put on your caps! I'll get the feathers!

John C. Randolph | January 11, 2008, 2:57pm | #

"Maybe he has a good reason for not disclosing. If so, he hasn't bothered to share it with us. "

A good reason like, not knowing who it was?

The articles were published quite a few years back, without bylines. What matters is that RP has made it clear that the words were not his, and that he does not agree with them. He has disavowed and denounced them.

Now, if that's not good enough for you, somehow RP and the rest of the tens of thousands of supporters who have contributed to this campaign will have to just struggle along without your approval.

-jcr

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 2:58pm | #

I think the blood of our soldiers is more important than the newsletters. You can have their blood on your hands if you want, but I am still voting for Ron Paul.

Whatever.

I've actually had a Soldier's blood on my hands. You can kiss my ass.

FatDrunkAndStupid | January 11, 2008, 2:58pm | #

RC,
I don't see why Ron owes it to you to tell you who wrote the Newsletters. He says he doesn't know- a credible claim because if wans't overseeing it directly he'd have no idea who wrote what, and he clearly has no desire to go grilling old friends to find out. Balko's a reporter. If its so damn important to him to know the names why doesn't he find out himself? It's not part of Ron's character to throw people under the bus for his own gain. It may be the beltway thing to do, and the cosmos might be perplexed as to why he doesn't just name names, but out in the heartland I can assure you Ron's principled stand here is winning him points. Ron's said all he needs to say. He didn't write them, nor does he believe in the sentiment. Anyone with half a brain can look at Ron's 30 year record and easily determine that he's telling the truth. Once you accept that truth, its time to move on. Ron isn't going rat out movement libertarians who may have used some poor judgement 20 years ago just to save his own skin. That's not who he is.

Kent | January 11, 2008, 2:58pm | #

When Reason writers and Cato researchers were busy making excuses how to get libertarians behind an invasion of Iraq, Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell were building the case against it.

So Reason. Pot, kettle, black.

Dave W. | January 11, 2008, 2:59pm | #

Would what the police did in the Rodney King case really raise any eyebrows if it were done today in the post-9-11 world?

I mean, I don't like the police did in the Rodney King case. Didn't at the time. Still don't. But hasn't that kind of police behavior become uncontroversial since Guiliani decided not to pull the police away from the tower after he learned that it was coming down?

Guy Montag | January 11, 2008, 2:59pm | #

I knew I was forgetting to do a few things before leaving "the ground floor of the Military Industrial Complex" today. If I am going to go out and influence major media figures at the Resonoid coctail party tonight I have better get to work!

Here are some of the things that we allow to be done in OUR name that go far beyond expressing impolite thoughts.

Starving the children of Iraq
Bombing the people of Iraq
Supporting the dictator of Pakistan
Raiding medical clinics in California and stealing sick people’s medicine
(not my department)
Counterfeiting>
(not my department)
Taxation>
(not my department)
Torture


My day is not done!

drawnasunder | January 11, 2008, 2:59pm | #

My backup candidate: Turd Sandwich!

Rimfax | January 11, 2008, 2:59pm | #

Ron Paul isn't the issue, he is merely a flawed messenger. Focusing on shooting the messenger is stupid.

Not calling out our own for illibertarian shit is stupid. We're not Democrats or Republicans. We've actually got some clear principles. Pretending that speech by our candidate that contradicts those principles is merely a political flaw hurts us far more than any other political movement.

He is still the lesser evil and I would still argue that he was a libertarian, but I think that his interpretation of the principles stinks at times.

Keep up the good work, Balko.

John C. Randolph | January 11, 2008, 3:00pm | #

"commie style party purge"

Yeah, that's about right. Looks like some people are bound and determined to fight anyone who might actually succeed in slowing down the growth of government.

-jcr

javier | January 11, 2008, 3:00pm | #

Cosmolib = pragmatic
paleoconlib = moralistic


I am not a paleocon, but pragmatic is just giving up your principles a little slower.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:01pm | #

Why does no one bring up the blatant anti-Arab and anti-Muslim hatred expressed by the other Republican candidates?

I bring it up all the damn time, and so does reason.

Nice try, but FAIL.

Friend of Cato | January 11, 2008, 3:01pm | #

Kent -

get your facts straight. Cato was against the Iraq war before day 1.

Grand Chalupa | January 11, 2008, 3:01pm | #

I have no problem with white people objecting to laws that are unfair to white people. I think it's perfectly legitimate for white people to object to affirmative action at state universities, for example. Not only that, I agree with them.

Would you take it one step further, and say that the NAACP and La Raza are the moral equivalent of white interest groups?

What's disturbing to me is not just what we say, but the tone and how hard we condemn. White interest groups, from a policy position, are much closer to libertarians than minority interest groups in opposing AA, a big federal government and the welfare state, then black groups. Libertarians seem to have no love for either, but why is the hatred directed towards white racialists so much more venemous?

Roger | January 11, 2008, 3:01pm | #

Ron Paul has brough public shame to ideas that were just beginning to catch on

Ha ha ha, you must be delusional.

temporary k | January 11, 2008, 3:01pm | #

I think Ron Paul is acting like a fool. He should have confronted this directly a long time ago. If he didn’t write it, who did? What exactly was his relationship with the newsletter ghostwritten in his name? I believe that he didn’t write it and that he has never expressed anything like those statements, but, saying “libertarians can’t be racists” is a dodge and a lie. Of course they can be, “libertarian” is just a name you call yourself. He might as well have said “Christians can’t hate.”

I still support almost everything Paul has campaigned on this year and will vote for him, but it’s starting to look like Ron Paul the man has run his course. He’s acting like a guy who’s in way over his head and he and his campaign staff have been running a $200,000 campaign instead of the $20 million campaign that all of us in the rEVOLution want. He’s right that any politician supporting the War On Drugs is supporting a racist policy more directly than he ever has, and he’s right that this is a politically-motivated attack. He’s fucking crazy if he thinks that’s all he needs to say to whisk this issue away.

Episiarch | January 11, 2008, 3:02pm | #

Well, so much for trying to head off the circular firing squad. By all means, please occupy yourselves with endless argument about the merits of Ron Paul and His Dastardly Newsletters. You seem much happier doing that than moving libertarian ideas forward.

sage | January 11, 2008, 3:02pm | #

This is getting reeeeeallly old. This whole thing sounds like only so much backpedaling. Oh, if only we could go out into cyberspace and delete all the nice things we said about Dr. Paul. Or if only we had one of those flashy things like on Men In Black and we could just erase everyone's memory of Paul being the guy for the job with the push of a button. Maybe in a few years he'll be like breakdancing was. "Oh yeah, he was huge, but those people doing it look like dorks now."

Edward | January 11, 2008, 3:03pm | #

I don't respect you at all, Jamie. Go fuck yourself, you slimy little turd.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:04pm | #

I don't see why Ron owes it to you to tell you who wrote the Newsletters.

Then I don't see why I owe him my support.

Look, Ron's kind of on a precipice here: throw the racists out or throw a lot of us out.

He can choose.

gorak | January 11, 2008, 3:04pm | #

Ayn Randian, so this issue is enough for your not to vote for the candidate who will bring us home from Iraq?

Francisco Torres | January 11, 2008, 3:04pm | #

I think the blood of our soldiers is more important than the newsletters. You can have their blood on your hands if you want, but I am still voting for Ron Paul.

You will be amazed at how some are willing to accept the most obscure of the lesser and unimportant of minutiae to discredit a person, even if that person's ACTIONS and words and moral standing are not being really argued.

"But the fact is that someone wrote offensive words under his name not so long ago, just around the corner [15 years ago]. The man should be horsewhipped!!"

Indeed, and the fact that RP does not believe in those words, nor has he ever uttered a SINGLE phrase like that will NOT be enough for the likes of Balko and other detractors. To me, I respect a person's personal character, the individual. A forgotten newsletter edited by someone a long ago, cannot detract from a person if I am to be reasonable. Irrationality, of course, still has its pundits.

Guy Montag | January 11, 2008, 3:04pm | #

sage,

Or if only we had one of those flashy things like on Men In Black and we could just erase everyone's memory of Paul being the guy for the job with the push of a button.

The licensing requirements for those things are pretty steep. Do you really want the government to know you have one?

RNC | January 11, 2008, 3:05pm | #

"Perhaps it's too much for us to expect Paul to turn over the names of the paleo types who wrote those screeds (if it's true that he had no hand in writing him himself—which I'm having a harder and harder time believing), to apologize that they ever went out under his name, and to disavow and repudiate the beliefs of the paleolibertarian supporters who have propped him up for most of his career, some of whom he still calls friends.

But if he can't, it's also too much to ask libertarians who find those views abhorrent to continue to support him."

And what is there about this graf isn't collectivist?

ian | January 11, 2008, 3:05pm | #

gorak,

i don't think he would bring us back from iraq...he would try...but don't kid yourself

goran | January 11, 2008, 3:06pm | #

The commander in chief has such unilateral authority. He could arrest military officials who resisted.

| January 11, 2008, 3:06pm | #

I don't give two shits about cocktail parties inside the Beltway.

Then who's the audience for this?

Libertarians require no such displays.

With few exceptions, they believe all these things already, presume it of their fellows, and don't care if someone else disagrees, so long as that belief hasn't the force of law.

The exceptions are the paleos you're dissociating yourself from. You're not talking to them, either.

To whom is your "Don't worry; I'm one of you" addressed? Not us.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:06pm | #

Libertarians seem to have no love for either, but why is the hatred directed towards white racialists so much more venemous?

uhh, because most of us are white, is a good start.

Also, because white racism is a significant part of our history and most of us realize how ugly it was and don't want to go back down that road.

Also, white racism is more dangerous precisely because there are more white people in the country.

greg | January 11, 2008, 3:09pm | #

"He’s acting like a guy who’s in way over his head and he and his campaign staff have been running a $200,000 campaign instead of the $20 million campaign that all of us in the rEVOLution want."

He is running in opposition to government corn subsidies (Iowa), A McCain love nest (NH) and in warfare/god land (SC). These are only three states. If he shoots the wad in the weak states it would be useless. The fact that he got over 5% in the first two primaries is remarkable relative to past history.

PS. For why not to spend all your 20 million out of the gate, ask the Gouls's staff today how they feel about that strategy.

Martin | January 11, 2008, 3:09pm | #

I wonder if Balko ever complains about some of the warmongering racist trash against Muslims that gets peddled by his employers at fox.

Jonathan Blanks | January 11, 2008, 3:12pm | #

Also, white racism is more dangerous precisely because there are more white people in the country.

More to the point, white people control the majority of power and wealth in this country.

temporary k | January 11, 2008, 3:12pm | #

I hope so, greg. You're right that the jury is still out.

Tom Walls | January 11, 2008, 3:12pm | #

I sympathize with Ron and defend him. I know what it's like to have words printed that aren't yours yet still bear your name. And I know what it's like to just walk away from it, hoping it'll just go away instead of having to make a painful or embarrassing retraction or to name names. In my case, I just left the country for a while :)

The most negative Ron Paul newsletter stuff in question went on over a period of 4 months or so, from what I can tell, which is not that long. Seriously, this stuff has been brought up before and Ron has weathered it. And I thought having referred to Bush Sr. as a bum would hurt him!

Actually, there is no real proof Rockwell actually wrote that, since there were several people involved who came and went. It would be reassuring to clarify who wrote those quotes, though.

Many of us libertarian activists at the time (LP, RLC, some institute people and otherwise) thought the paleo turn to being cranky, intolerant and socially ultraconservative was not a good thing, and we said so (Dondero can verify this). This extended to seemingly anti-libertarian positions on immigration and trade. I speculated that that was a hard-right fundraising ploy.

Guy Montag | January 11, 2008, 3:13pm | #

More to the point, white people control the majority of power and wealth in this country.

And they are keeping me down, MAAAAAAANNN!

Grand Chalupa | January 11, 2008, 3:13pm | #

Also, white racism is more dangerous precisely because there are more white people in the country.

Maybe for now, but what happens when the day comes (and it is coming, check the census) that whites are just another minority, in a country where every other group feels no shame in voting only for their own interest and overwhelmingly supports big government?

In 50 years we'll have a country with big income disparities between a hated minority and a black and brown majority, that has no problem with "redistribution" and "affirmative action" as solving all their problems. Do you think at that point the race hustlers are going away?

Roger | January 11, 2008, 3:14pm | #

One day, in the near future, a movement will arise that combines the politically-expedient traits of the paleos and the cosmos, that the cosmos will have nothing to do with it once they find out the figurehead for that movement once said "wetback" when a Mexican driving a pickup cut him off on the highway.

Bingo | January 11, 2008, 3:15pm | #

When Grand Chalupa is running for president in 15 years that comment is going to come back to bite him!

Hello | January 11, 2008, 3:15pm | #

"Or is it a handful of articles in published between 1988 and 1992?"

Neither. It was four editions published within a five-month period that actually had the really bad stuff.

gaijin | January 11, 2008, 3:16pm | #

More to the point, white people control the majority of power and wealth in this country.

Where the hell, then, is my share of this booty?

Warren | January 11, 2008, 3:18pm | #

In all this ongoing newsletter argle-bargle, Balko has put his fingers spot on the most relevant areas.

I think it might just be possible that every word Radley Balko has ever written is the very finest journalism regarding whatever he was writing about.

Kent | January 11, 2008, 3:18pm | #

Friend of Cato - If they were, they did a good job of hiding it. They certainly DID support invading Afghanistan which had no more to back it than did Iraq.

Ayn_Randian -

Me - Why does no one bring up the blatant anti-Arab and anti-Muslim hatred expressed by the other Republican candidates?

You - I bring it up all the damn time, and so does reason.

Nice try, but FAIL.

So, Ron Paul's newsletter racial insensitivity is as big an issue as ongoing anti-Arab/Muslim hatred expressed by the other candidates? Ron Paul isn't campaigning to drop bombs on blacks in the cities, the other candidates ARE campaigning to drop bombs on Muslims in their homelands. What aggression has Ron Paul committed?

greg | January 11, 2008, 3:20pm | #

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'll win, but I support him and if he wins enough votes around the country, particually in states that oppose the war, it will make the anti-government story stick longer amongst regular people.

He is in favor of closing social security. I am 32 and I don't know anyone my age who actually thinks they will get a penny from it. They even more displeased at the prospect of paying for babyboomers (other than their own family) for the next 20-30 years of their working life.

A Paul showing, not winning, just good showing, may force the Republicans to start moving away from "fixing" the ponzi scheme, but rather moving away from it to recapture the youth vote so that can mount a credible campaign to beat hillary in 2012, unlike the 1996 showing with old man Dole.

Radley Balko | January 11, 2008, 3:20pm | #

I wonder if Balko ever complains about some of the warmongering racist trash against Muslims that gets peddled by his employers at fox.

Fox isn't my employer, Reason is. I get a small fee for each bi-weekly column I write for Fox. It's about enough to get you drunk. No more.

But the answer to your question about whether I'm willing to criticize Fox News is "yes."



http://www.theagitator.com/2006/11/15/cnn-shamelessly-exploits-oj-murders/
http://www.theagitator.com/2007/05/19/retract-michelle/
http://www.theagitator.com/2006/11/15/cnn-bribes-terrorists/

Bingo | January 11, 2008, 3:20pm | #

No one hates libertarians as much as libertarians do.

B.P. | January 11, 2008, 3:21pm | #

"If some a$$hole published a newsletter under my name so a strictly limited subscription base, I would not have the time to review every single word and phrase to make sure not one offensive comment is printed."

I would. It's only credibility that's at state.

dhex | January 11, 2008, 3:22pm | #


Maybe for now, but what happens when the day comes (and it is coming, check the census) that whites are just another minority, in a country where every other group feels no shame in voting only for their own interest and overwhelmingly supports big government?


do you really think whites don't vote for their own interests?

the other part of the issue may be that "white" is a meaningless term when speaking about groups. racial apocalypse aside.

the same thing you're saying was brought up time and again about the irish, about italians, about catholics, about anyone vaguely "slavic" and how they were going to take over the country, the government and put all the decent white folks to the sword. it was bullshit then and it is bullshit now.

Dodsworth | January 11, 2008, 3:22pm | #

Radley's joining the parade right now. It is all so easy, isn't it.

He's dumping Paul over the side and to make himself feel better is claiming that Paul never talks about the drug war when he hammered the issue in the Baltmore debate and elsewhere. I am sickened by Paul's mistakes but refuse to join the pile on though I might relieve a lot of stress if I did!

Paul is a principled and good man, at least compared with the alternatives. No.....he didn't get all teary-eyd, a la Hillary or Bill but he apologized with no ifs, ands and buts. I won't be sleeping well tonight. Sticking wiht Paul these day has made it almost impossible but I wonder if Radley will be sleeping any better for making things up about Paul and the drug war to rationalize his actions.

Jonathan Blanks | January 11, 2008, 3:23pm | #

Guy:

I made the clarification to preclude Grand Chalupa's entirely predictable and equally ignorant comment.

Again, I talk of perceptions -- which is really all that matters in politics, no?

Grand Chalupa | January 11, 2008, 3:23pm | #

When Grand Chalupa is running for president in 15 years that comment is going to come back to bite him!

I'll make amends by making a pilgrimage to Rosa Park's tomb and pointing out that of all my policy positions there must be one or two that help black people more than white people. The MSM will eat it up. Maybe at that point I'll call the whites "kulaks" for good measure.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:23pm | #

Ron Paul isn't campaigning to drop bombs on blacks in the cities, the other candidates ARE campaigning to drop bombs on Muslims in their homelands.

I'm sorry...did the LP drop out of existence and I missed it?

Bingo | January 11, 2008, 3:24pm | #

I'm sorry...did the LP drop out of existence and I missed it?

Basically yes.

GILMORE | January 11, 2008, 3:24pm | #

What the fuck.

It's REASON Hairshirt week.

Rimfax | January 11, 2008, 3:25pm | #

White interest groups, from a policy position, are much closer to libertarians than minority interest groups in opposing AA, a big federal government and the welfare state, then black groups. Libertarians seem to have no love for either, but why is the hatred directed towards white racialists so much more venemous?

1. White interest groups are muuuuuch farther from libertarian policy positions on THE MOST CRITICAL things, like equal treatment under the law, freedom of association, and the freedom to pursue happiness.
2. White interest groups don't take issue with the welfare state, the size of the government, or with unions. They only object to Jews and brown people garnering any benefits from welfare, government jobs, or labor benefits.
3. White interest groups exist to reenact laws that gave whites a higher legal status than non-whites.
4. Other race groups exist as advocacy organizations to call attention to instances where discretion is used against people of their race. The only thing that they do that is particularly un-libertarian is to advocate laws that attempt to reverse the economic disparities created by earlier pro-white racist laws.
5. White race groups are attempting to reassert white legal dominance. If it's not part of their overt agenda, it's a thinly veiled hidden one.
6. Other race groups are attempting to highlight the remnants of white legal dominance and end them. The fact that they advocate for affirmative action and play politics with racial incidents doesn't change the fact that achieving racial dominance is not a part of their real or hidden agenda.

AntiCosmo | January 11, 2008, 3:26pm | #

Radley, you ceded the moral high ground long ago, so why don't you go back to documenting "botched" (as if any were un-botched)drug raids?

http://www.instapundit.com/archives/020262.php

Anyone see a Reason cosmotarian cited approvingly in that post?
Torture? G’head.

So what should we do if the captured Sheik Jeremy doesn’t talk? And let’s face it, he ain’t gonna’ talk.

Should we torture him?

I think so. He’s not an American citizen. He wasn’t born here, or captured here. He’s “an enemy combatant,” if ever there was a time to use the phrase.
I guess Radley won't be our next libertarian candidate.

Kent | January 11, 2008, 3:26pm | #

"The newsletter defended the Rodney King beating, for God's sake, on the bullshit argument that King was part of a criminal class of people. The implication is that some people deserve substandard treatment under the rule of law because of the color of their skin. There's nothing remotely libertarian about that."

Where does it try to make the argument that Rodney King was beaten because he was "part of a criminal class of people". Just shows how things are twisted to make a point. I'm not a huge fan of the article, but this is just bullshit.

anon | January 11, 2008, 3:26pm | #

To sum up this thread: we'd all love a nice little neat package where we have the perfect candidate with the perfect message who never misteps.

Too bad life is messy. We've only got two choices in that case: face reality or deny reality.

The reality all along with the Ron Paul campaign is that something about the combination of the times, the message and this man provoked a response out of the public that these ideas have rarely seen in national politics. By no means a huge response, but certainly something more than normal. Dr. Paul could probably keep up his 8% type numbers in most primaries in the country. I can't think of another candidate who espoused these views in recent times that had any hope of that.

See the ugly hard truth is that we can continue to support Dr. Paul out of some personality cult blindness. Go to a place like Daily Paul and you will see plenty of that. Or we can withdraw from the scene, with the rationalization that we are defending principles and the integrity of the libertarian movement, but really just retreating to the safety of our comfortable ideology over reality. Or we can stand in front of this damn mess Dr. Paul put us in, look at it all, discern and reach a judgment of what to do next.

That last one is what I'm trying to do. I saw the CNN interview and thought it was horrible. All the same, I still plan to vote for him. I haven't seen enough yet to convince me that (a) he's a liar and he really did write all that stuff or believes those things or (b) that if he were to win the presidency, that this reflects all that badly on how he would handle the presidency.
But I don't expect to do much more active campaigning for him.

hale | January 11, 2008, 3:26pm | #

Look, I feel pretty strongly about this issue. I know that everybody else who has been turning up for these 300 comment threads feels pretty strongly about it too - well, except Edward, who just has an insatiable craving for attention from the internet. So understand that I'm not saying this isn't an important debate to be having but -

- brace yourselves -

This is not an important debate to be having. Not really.

The argument, as far as I can tell, is between people who won't vote for a guy who won't win because of his racist affiliations, and people who want to vote for a guy who won't win because of his racist affiliations. We all know he won't win. Even without this racist stuff coming up, there's no way he was going to get more than 13% of the primary votes in any state. Is that defeatist? Maybe. It's also realistic.

So, what was really exciting about the Paul candidacy was the hope that with the insane funding he was getting, he'd be able to crack the public consciousness, get out the good word about libertarianism, you know? Evangelize. Persuade. Cajole. We live in a country where people hate Congress, hate the president, mostly don't vote, don't trust the two parties, increasingly take a dim view of politicians' ideas for moving forward. Part of the appeal of Ron Paul's candidacy was the idea that he was going to get out there and claim some of those disenfranchised, bring 'em into the fold. These newcomers wouldn't have been cosmo, they wouldn't have been paleo. A lot of them would've just been plain old political independents, the sort of fickle people who are with you when your candidate looks like a secular saint and back to not voting the moment he loses their fascination.

That's why this racism shit is a big deal. It's also why it isn't that big a deal.

Yeah, if The New Republic went on a Wynand-esque campaign against Ron Paul - which you know they're itching to, the neoliberal bastards - a lot of people would scratch their heads, go "oh well" and wander back to their respective indifferences.

It isn't like this would tar the libertarian movement, though, because these people don't even know there is a libertarian movement, or if they do, they think people like Pat Buchanan or Markos Moulitasas Zuniga have something to do with it. The wider fate of libertarianism isn't really at stake here.

Yes, Cato never really got behind a big proponent of smaller government - that's a bit weird, but whatever. And yes, Reason are covering their asses. You know, I don't blame them. I'm not so coldly pragmatic that I am willing to vote for a person who smells of racism, and if I were a writer for a major publication who'd spent most of the year backing one, that burden-of-conscience would be even harder to carry. What can I say? Racism is a big deal to me. It may not have much to do with libertarianism, but to me it's a personal, moral issue.

However, if y'all want to go vote for Ron Paul anyway, by all means vote your conscience. That's all I'm gonna do, so it's all I'd expect of y'all.

sage | January 11, 2008, 3:27pm | #

And don't forget, whites like cheese sandwiches so much it's weird.

drawnasunder | January 11, 2008, 3:27pm | #

On the bright side, Hillary has apparently stepped in it....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7845.html

Grand Chalupa | January 11, 2008, 3:27pm | #

I made the clarification to preclude Grand Chalupa's entirely predictable and equally ignorant comment.

You forgot "racist". Who the hell are you anyway?

DavidS | January 11, 2008, 3:30pm | #

If some a$$hole published a newsletter under my name so a strictly limited subscription base, I would not have the time to review every single word and phrase to make sure not one offensive comment is printed.

For those of you who think it was all over in a few months, what about this letter in Paul's name which manages to accuse Hilary Clinton of being a dyke, Bill of being a Russian spy, and Clinton's mother of being a gambling murderer?

And the stuff wasn't occasionally nutty - it was nutty through and through. And the people who appear to have been involved with writing it are still on board with Paul and still seem pretty nutty to me (AIDS is a myth. MMR causes autism. Global warming is a scam. etc etc)

hale | January 11, 2008, 3:30pm | #

Er,

and people who want to vote for a guy who won't win because of his racist affiliations

should read,

people who want to vote for a guy who won't win in spite of his racist affiliations

ed | January 11, 2008, 3:31pm | #

Can't we all just blame Nick Gillespie and move on?

Ashley | January 11, 2008, 3:32pm | #

Radley, I really like you but you're missing the point. Is he, or is he not, the most likely candidate to fight, at least a little with vetoes and such, state sponsored racism? Are all the others more likely to increase it?

You know the answers. Don't be embarrassed b/c your candidate might not think exactly like you do. Be proud you have the clarity to select a man who will at least try to pursue some righteous goals.

Radley Balko | January 11, 2008, 3:32pm | #

Re: This comment.

I've since changed my position on torture, retracted that post, and explained why.

http://www.theagitator.com/2007/03/19/torture-not-so-much/

JL | January 11, 2008, 3:33pm | #

"But I've been watching this campaign fairly closely, and I believe that's the most time to date that Paul has spent talking about the drug war"

really? have you been to his rallies? I've heard it quite often.

AntiCosmo | January 11, 2008, 3:34pm | #

Cato was against the Iraq war before day 1.

Give me a break.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lindsey112102.asp

Brink Lindsey is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute

crw | January 11, 2008, 3:34pm | #

Oh for fuck's sake...

You know, one of the main attractive features of libertarianism to me is precisely that we don't typically engage in collective worship of our leaders. We are completely unafraid to bag on those who claim to speak for us and call them on their bullshit.

And frankly, Paul's tepid response to the newsletters is bullshit. Hell, the fact he didn't address this head-on months ago is bullshit. At the very least, he should have planned for the day the newsletters would be brought up and had a solid response ready. The fact he hasn't speaks volumes.

We're all going to support or not support Paul for our own personal reasons. For many of us, his tepid response is reason enough to think twice. For others, it isn't. That's fine. Publicly discussing our thoughts is fine. But chastising people for not worshiping the flawed man, or for publicly wondering how this will affect public perception of our ideals? That's a little stupid.

Richard | January 11, 2008, 3:35pm | #

Why should he "hand over" the writers?
Worst case scenario here: Paul's had a change of heart over the years.
Wouldn't the right thing to do be to realize he's not racist (at least now), forgive him, and move on?

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:36pm | #

Radley, I really like you but you're missing the point. Is he, or is he not, the most likely candidate to fight, at least a little with vetoes and such, state sponsored racism?

Given that Ron Paul seems to think that the rate of crime among blacks is an inherent failing of said race, what do you think his position would be on racial profiling when it came to things that would be crimes even in Paultopia?

Episiarch | January 11, 2008, 3:37pm | #

I've since changed my position on torture, retracted that post, and explained why.

So you can make mistakes, but Paul can't? Maybe you could extend the same courtesy to Paul--and that's assuming he even knew about the newsletter. You actually changed your views; if Paul is not lying, he didn't even do that, he just didn't oversee a newsletter properly.

Perfect enemy of good blargh blah.

dodsworth | January 11, 2008, 3:37pm | #

Yes, Radley but you have made up things (such as the false claim that Paul didn't address the drug war in several forums) to ease your consience about helping to destroy the only candidate who is actually against torture.

McCain, who refuses to actually do anything about his stated opposition to torture when he was on the Senate floor, doesn't count. Has helping to destroy a principled, good, but flawed man relieved your stress yet?

mk | January 11, 2008, 3:37pm | #

Is there some way we can extricate this Ron Paul fellow from the Ron Paul Revolution?

True story, right before this thing broke I was watching The Mclaughlin Group and heard Buchanan refer to Paul as "His guy" or something similar. I immediately felt a sense of dread.

Michael | January 11, 2008, 3:39pm | #

I'm a developer and we have a term in extreme programming where code needs to not 'smell'...

This whole thing 'smells'...

Let's use a little logic.

Dr. Paul is old. He has been in politics since the 1970's?

So, he has well over 30 years of public exposure and NOT ONE PERSON says he has ever said anything like this...

Can we all put on our thinking caps for a second and realize that sooner or later, what is in your heart WILL COME OUT... In 30+ years of public exposure nothing like what is in the newsletters has EVER come out of Dr. Paul's mouth...

He deserves the benefit of ANY doubt you sheople have.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:39pm | #

AntiCosmo:

One fellow at Cato =/= Cato Institute.

Also, why don't you quit being a dick and apologize to Mr. Balko for trying to impugn his character?

sage | January 11, 2008, 3:40pm | #

Now tht the Reason folks made it clear that they don't like Paul, it's time to start attacking his position on the issues. So let's hear it.

Ayn_Randian | January 11, 2008, 3:41pm | #

You actually changed your views; if Paul is not lying, he didn't even do that, he just didn't oversee a newsletter properly.

Yeah, but he is lying. He defended the comments in 1996 and then turned around and said he never thought any of that in 2008.

J sub D | January 11, 2008, 3:41pm | #

Not calling out our own for illibertarian shit is stupid. We're not Democrats or Republicans. We've actually got some clear principles. Pretending that speech by our candidate that contradicts those principles is merely a political flaw hurts us far more than any other political movement.

QFT. "It was 15 years ago" is nonsense. I don't forgive Senator Byrd for KKK membership in th '50s. I'm not calling RP a racist. I am calling him irresponsible. I'm saying he has more loyalty to his friends than to the movement. When Watergate first hit the fan, my father opined that if Nixon had just said, these people worked for me, I deplore their actions, publicly identified and fired them, it would all have blown over. He didn't. Ron Paul didn't.

IOW, he should have thrown the authors under the bus, got in the drivers seat, and shifted from first to reverse and back a few times. He knows who is responsible.

andy | January 11, 2008, 3:42pm | #

wait... balko, you do realize that ron paul is a libertarian running for the republican nomination, right? are you seriously confused as to why ron paul hasn't brought his views regarding the war on drugs to the forefront of the discussion? you might not like the pandering involved there, but i don't like plain ignorance toward the target audience much either.

when you have 30 seconds to say why you're against the war on drugs, you're better off just not bringing it up.

and contrition? he's mad... he's mad that people are continuing to attack via guilt by association and you can't be a libertarian — or any other affiliation — and not associate with unsavory individuals.

what i've always said about ron paul — and libertarianism (no, i'm not calling them synonymous) — is that the message unites all types of crazy. the freedom message protects racists *and* protects decent, sensible, common sense-having people... now you're saying that he has to dissolve that unity in order to preserve your narrow perception of libertarianism.

we all have an idea of what we'd like libertarianism to be and in your case, you'd prefer it to be free of racism — it's fun to have dreams! but the fact of the matter is libertarians just happen to be a lightning rod for lunatics and people who tend to vote and hold beliefs five- and six-sigma away from the mean of the rest the world. in a sick way, i see that as a beautiful thing — libertarianism somehow unites haters and those they hate under the same flag. if racists had any concept of irony, they would see that and laugh themselves right into 21st century thought.

Windypundit | January 11, 2008, 3:42pm | #

Is he, or is he not, the most likely candidate to fight, at least a little with vetoes and such, state sponsored racism? Are all the others more likely to increase it?

Yes, absolutely. If we don't back Ron Paul despite his flaws, he will never become president, and the drug war will continue, and the Iraq war will continue, and thousands of innocents will be injured, killed, or imprisoned.

But if we all stand behind Ron Paul 100%, he will still never become president, and the drug war will still continue, and the Iraq war will still continue, and thousands of innocents will still be injured, killed, or imprisoned.

Paul's value to the libertarian movement was not that he was going to win, it was that he was going to get a lot more people thinking along libertarian lines. But if Paul's just had his "macaca" moment, then he's likely to be a liability who will make us look bad.

Paul isn't an awful guy as politicians go, but he's just become a much less valuable spokesperson for the libertarian cause.

Friend of Cato | January 11, 2008, 3:44pm | #

anti-cosmo:

point taken on Lindsey. But the Foreign Policy department was against it all along:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3369

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6659

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2988

J sub D | January 11, 2008, 3:45pm | #

And he should have done it in 1996.

Rimfax | January 11, 2008, 3:45pm | #

...heard Buchanan refer to Paul as "His guy"....

Abandon ship!!!!

kerem tibuk | January 11, 2008, 3:46pm | #

I am an anarchist and to me a statist, even a minarchist, is much worse than a racist.

A racist is a person associate and discriminate based on race. Every individual discriminates in life when dealing with other humans in society and some do this based on race.

This may upset some other people, it is probably even to the disadvantage of the racist but it is just discrimination. There is no agression against anybody.

A statist, even a minarchist, on the other hand, actively supports agression against property by the hand of the state. He/she is morally supporting a criminal organization that takes property away by force and usually restrict many liberties based on property rights.

Now, this is a political campaign that even atracts the support of welfare statist liberals and some so called libertarians are getting upset over atracting truthers, neo nazis and racism stuff.

This is politics. If you can stand a statist how can you get upset over racism allegations.

The alternatives in this race, all of them represent the initiation of force by the state against individuals.

And the only person that has a chance to even slightly stop this is getting this heat.

People making a big deal out this and hope for the demise of Ron Paul are either confused badly or arent sincere libertarians.

Timmy Mac | January 11, 2008, 3:46pm | #

I gotta say, as a guy without a dog in this fight, this a fascinating conversation to eavesdrop on.

"He's a racist!"
"No, he's not!"
"Who cares?"
"What's wrong with being a racist?"

MP | January 11, 2008, 3:48pm | #

I haven't been around these parts as much lately, but this issue has drawn me back. Balko's post is excellent (best of the bunch, today). Ron's resistance to coming completely clean on this issue and throwing people under the bus is simply inexcusable. And if that includes himself, because he did in fact write the inflammatory portions that are under the microscope, then come clean and drop out and fade away quietly.

AFAICT, the only reason he's not throwing anyone under the bus is that he knows they'll turn around and do the same thing to him. There's no other reasonable explanation.

And that makes me a sad panda.

dewey's decimal | January 11, 2008, 3:48pm | #

more than a decade in a newsletter he published. He did it during the 1980s and 1990s, the very period over which the drug laws exacerbated the white-black disparity

Please cite the allegedly "racist" quotes with dates, or retract.

Thanks.

Kent | January 11, 2008, 3:48pm | #

Really, my last comment on this.

If you really want to criticize Ron Paul, do it on is xenophobic and ethnocentric immigration policy. That is something in his platform.

Jose Ortega y Gasset | January 11, 2008, 3:48pm | #

Ah, RB joins the chorus libertarians right now echoing Peter Griffin about loving "too much."

MP | January 11, 2008, 3:49pm | #

Paul's value to the libertarian movement was not that he was going to win, it was that he was going to get a lot more people thinking along libertarian lines. But if Paul's just had his "macaca" moment, then he's likely to be a liability who will make us look bad.

Bingo.

kerem tibuk | January 11, 2008, 3:49pm | #

Let me add the names of some of the statist, which I think are worse than racists, but I respect anyways.

Mises, Rand, Hayek, Bastiat, Jefferson.

Pig Mannix | January 11, 2008, 3:50pm | #