Teddy Bears on Trial
Jacob Sullum | November 29, 2007, 10:37am
Contrary to reassurances from the Sudanese embassy in London, Gillian Gibbons, the British teacher in Khartoum who did not realize naming a teddy bear Muhammad was verboten, has been charged with blasphemy, inciting hatred, and insulting Islam. The possible penalties include a fine, 40 lashes, and six months in jail. The government promises a "swift and fair trial," saying, "she will be brought in front of a judge, and now she must prove her innocence"—which gives you a sense of how the court system works in Sudan. Gibbons' lawyer says the defense will be straightforward: She had "absolutely no intention to insult religion, and for blasphemy to take place there must be an insult."
Some observers speculate that Gibbons' arrest and trial are payback for her country's excessive interest in Darfur. ("You say we're a repressive regime? We'll show you!") But A.P. suggests the truth is more disturbing:
The country's top Muslim clerics have pressed the government to ensure that she is punished, comparing her action to author Salman Rushdie's ''blasphemies'' against the Prophet Muhammad.
The British novelist was accused of blasphemy by many Muslims for his 1988 novel ''The Satanic Verses,'' which had a character seen as a reference to the prophet. Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a religious edict calling for Rushdie's death.
What's worse than cynically prosecuting a harmless schoolteacher for accidentally violating a taboo that even her Muslim students (who overwhelmingly voted to call the stuffed animal Muhammad) did not know about? Doing so in the sincere belief that she represents an intolerable threat to morality and public order.
Callforjustice911 | November 29, 2007, 8:36pm | #
This teacher will go to jail and only the true God, which is not Islam's so called allah, and her tormentors will know what they will do to this kuffar.
I am reading (choking on) the Koran... What a lousy piece of pig sh*t that book is. It is full of hate. Kuffar, such as all those that reject that book are looked down upon as less then human. They can be killed, in the name of their so called allah with no more thought than what one would do to kill livestock.
The fact of the matter is we in the West have not woken up to the threat that these Islamic sub-humans wish to impose on all of us. Kuffar worthy of death because we who are enlightened cannot accept the Koran as the word of god, which it isn't.
For those that have not read it, it is full of hate for any that do not believe their stinking rotten religion. It puts down women, it puts down any that fail to submit to their faith. Listen to their mullahs... they spew out disdain for Western Civilization. And they encourage their followers from children up to strive not for life but to become martyrs (murderers) for their faith.
Martyrs... HA!
The Christian idea of martyr is one that speaks their faith and is persecuted for it-- usually put to death by others for their belief in Jesus as Lord and Savior.
The Islam (Islamofascist) idea for martyr is one that straps on a bomb and blows it and himself to smithereens in a crowd of innocents.
And the mullahs preach the love of death for their santanic god, allah rather than living the life that the real God gave them.
Everyone needs to critically understand what this perverse religion represents, and how if it is taken as it is written in their Koran, as the islamofascists have, what lies ahead for Western Civilization.
They intend to destroy us, just as certainly as Hitler intended to take over Europe, and with his Axis forces the world at large. They made no bones about it. Fortunately for us our last generation took the threat seriously.
Now we are sleeping. We have not yet woken up to the islamofascist threat that we face.
A teacher is going to get a lashing and time a Islamic jail (where she will most likely be abused in the worst way). We protest. But look at what Islamics demand of us? We as a people (Kuffar) walk softly in the face of their demands.
They come to our country, many wearing the garb of their faith. Few find jobs, live in poverty, and then in the case of some European countries riot in the streets for their Islamic rights. Well, if they wish to live among us, they must also take our culture as it is. That means dress as we do, but all the while they can practice their faith in their homes and in their mosques. But now... that is not what they want... They come to our countries with an agenda... To subdue us with their numbers.
When will we wake up and stand up to these bastards.
Who are they to impose their religion on us?
And Islamics make outrageous demands that we respect their stinking pig sh*t religion, yet they can defile ours, our people, blow up our buildings, threaten us with death unless we submit...
And we walk softly so as not to "upset" them?
Where are the Islamic moderates? THERE ARE NONE!
They silently nod this Islamic agenda.
Go to youtube and see "Obsession: The Islamic War Against the West." It will open your eyes. And also follow the series there about the Islamic agenda in the UK's mosques. And there is another that covers what the mullahs say in their own works... also consider the statements of that nut case that runs Iran...
Death to America... Death to the West... Death to Israel ... Death to all Kuffar... all this and not to mention that one must not name a teddy bear muhammed...
(I would not curse my dog with such a name)
I sure hope that when the next mega attach against the West occurs, as Be Laden and his ilk have promised, that we as members of a free Western Civilization wake up--- AND FIGHT!
They want to die and be martyrs as their wish in life-- fine...
Let's oblige them.
Callforjustice911
Callforjustice911 | November 30, 2007, 12:22am | #
Start reading the Koran... See where it goes...
Bin Laden is living and striving for that Islamic dream world that is presented in that unholy book. He and his followers understand well, and know how to apply it to all Kuffar.
It is a matter of taking the Koran to heart and he and his extremist followers have done that.
Only they are the true followers of Islam...
There are no moderates if one takes that book to heart.
The Bible, yes there is violence there, especially in the Old Testament. But it was for some purpose, to illustrate some sin or thing that God was against. And it also exposed the inherent violence of mankind... All leading to one place, and one time where Grace would abound.
I don't need to go into that, but the fact is that the Koran is NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO THE BIBLE.
I could provide many examples of hatred out of the pages of the Koran and the Islamic death wish for all Kuffar which the Koran equates with pigs. Kuffar are worthy of death in the eyes of Islamics, and they send from their masdrasses suicide bombers with that call out of the Koran to do so.
Go and read it. It is in just about every other page, a disdain for Kuffar... US!
Bin Laden knows the Koran well.... He is the true face of Islam, a person that knows the book and its intent.
There are no moderates.
And in his eyes, even they are Kuffar.
God help the world if we do not stand up against the threat that he and his followers can indeed inflict upon us.
Callforjustice911
Callforjustice911 | November 30, 2007, 10:29am | #
Now those Islamic bastards over in Sudan are crowding the streets demanding this woman's EXECUTION!
Why because the mosques over there and the Islamofascist leaders in those mosques are stirring up the people to make the demand.
When is the West going to wake up!
We are at war with Islamic culture, a sinister, evil religion that has made quite clear that they intend to wipe us out.
If we don't wake up and fight them--- they will do as they intend and we will roll over and die.
Where is our Winston Churchill today, where are those that will stand up and say it like is? He saw the threat of NAZI'ism right from the start. And he was strident is speaking out about it, yet Europe and British government sought "appeasement" to avoid war...
But as Churchill predicted... War came.
We are in the same boat now with a far greater threat than NAZI'ism ever was. We try to appease and the Islam shits on us...
Bush should have gone to the American public and a joint session of Congress and declared all out war against Afganistan and Pakistan. And in so doing asked for the American people to flood the armed services and finish this war right from the start. Those are the countries that started this... Taliban and all. And just look at Pakistan now? Islamofacists are trying now to take over the country! And that country has the A-bomb!
And the U.S. and the West stand by and do nothing.
When we finally wake up to the threat that Islam poses to us, and finally go to all out war... Maybe history will look back at Bush and Blair as Churchill's of our time.
Callforjustice911
BTW:
iih (aka Ali) Tim McVeigh did not understand the Bible, nor was he a Christian.
And there are no Islamic moderates... Speak up if their are... Where are you?
Timon19 | November 30, 2007, 12:49pm | #
Timon19: Going back to an older discussion, I watched a CBC documentary on Dubai the other day. Even I did not realize how advanced Dubai has become. They're buying 20% of Nasdaq?!?
Dubai is absolutely nuts. Abu Dhabi is now starting projects to keep up - gotta make sure the rivalry doesn't get one-sided and all.
On the one hand, it's all very smart that they're not putting all their eggs in the oil basket (Dubai never had much anyway - which is a big part of why they're so far ahead of everyone else). On the other hand, this prosperity is so extremely real-estate-driven that there WILL be consequences of a very dramatic nature if they don't ease off a bit. It's like the bubbliest of all bubbles. They're building high-priced capacity that can never hope to be even 60% filled.
All the money is being generated on speculation on buildings and housing. All the space gets bought almost as soon as it goes on sale, but it's being bought by speculators, by and large. Very few of the purchases are by actual companies/residents.
This is why it's no longer very cheap to live and work in Dubai, and is, in fact, a massive nightmare for the laborers and poorer ex-pats. Even well-off ex-pats are re-thinking, as what they save in taxes and other expenses is being gobbled up by rising real-estate costs and the attendant shortage of affordable living areas due to the rampant speculation.
Abu Dhabi, in that sense, is way better off with their slower expansion, but even there, expenses have risen in a big way compared to only 3 years ago, when I started making trips out there.
Someone's got to get control of things in Dubai especially, or it's going to get really funky in about 10 years. They've already had major worker protests with rioting (which the local media tried to ignore, then minimize after it was over). They just got done with an "amnesty" offer (because of low-end worker dissatisfaction, mostly) where any "illegal workers" wishing to leave the country could do so, no questions asked. They reportedly got a huge response. After the aforementioned protests, the government deported a bunch of the workers, but it was more of a mutual termination thing. They didn't mind leaving at all.
Purely for sport. Because I'm sitting here compiling code.
Yeah... for the entertainment value.
Carry on, then!
Callforjustice911 | November 30, 2007, 7:28pm | #
Mike Laursen | November 30, 2007, 10:57am | # wrote:
"Bush should have gone to the American public and a joint session of Congress and declared all out war against Afganistan and Pakistan. And in so doing asked for the American people to flood the armed services and finish this war right from the start."
Let's be clear on what you're asking for. The wars that the United States has engaged in so far in that area were against regimes or governments, not against Islam. There has always been an assumption of preserving the American concept of freedom of religion in those countries. Are you proposing conquering these countries and either forcibly converting the people, or perhaps slaughtering them if they refuse to convert?
And there are no Islamic moderates... Speak up if their are...
Bullshit. I personally know quite a few."
Did I say anything about conversion? They can believe anything they want JUST SO LONG AS THEY DON'T IMPOSE THEIR BELIEF ON ME. I am a infidel (Kuffar) and proud of it. What It is a matter of destruction. Wipe them out... They (islamofascists) want to be martyrs so be it... rather than have them come to our shores with bombs to blow us up in that quest.
The only way to deal them is to make them hate war. We had to do that during WWII and we are now in WWIII, if you don't realize it.
The problem is that Islam as a whole is against us, the West. It is their ideology that is the danger... an ideology that comes right out of the Koran. And we do know where this started,.. with the Taliban which was inspired by previous Islamic fanatics. And we know which government they controlled. Now look at the situation. The Taliban is on the rise. They have not been defeated, and instead they are gaining more islamofascist followers.
We are involved in vectored warfare. A new World War where no governments lay claim... But we do know where it started, and Afghanistan-Pakistan are to blame.
Musharraf, what has he done?
Given the tribal areas of his country autonomy... simply because he cannot control them. And what has this done, it has emboldened the islomofascists there, and now the whole nation is in crisis.
Musharraf has walked the fence and as waffled between the so called Islamic moderates and the very real islamofascists that now are attempting to take over his country.
What will that mean for us...
Big trouble...
If it turns to the hard line, we will have a very difficult time fighting the War on Terror in Afghanistan, and everywhere in the world where islamofascists raise their ugly heads.
Moderates... Where? Who are they? Are they willing to take a public stand? Are they willing to approach their mullahs and demand moderation as their mullahs speak of hate and death to the West and Israel?
The UK is infested with Islamic radical mullahs, and they are a big problem there, as they are throughout Europe.
It is very unfortunate at this time that we are still fighting the Crusades... at least that is what the Islamofascists think. They imposed this war on us, not we on them.
The only "conversion" I can think of is converting the survivors of this war to hate war so much that they will not in the next thousand years ever engage in it.
Our world, our small planet has enough problems without having to engage in their medieval war now.
Callforjustice911.
P.S. Islam does not advocate the worship of idols... Well what about that rock in Mecca with the silver vigina framing it? The Kabba? They swirl around it in reverance, and kiss a stone. And five times a day all devoted islamofascists and all devotees of Islam world wide, face toward it 5 times a day to offer prayers... And at least once in their lifetimes they are required to visit it.
Tell me that is not idol worship?
Callforjustice911 | November 30, 2007, 9:36pm | #
iih (aka Ali) | November 30, 2007, 7:59pm | wrote:#
Tell me that is not idol worship?
No it is not. Your ignorance (not only your words) is quite offensive."
Ok Mr. aka Ali...
Since you seem to embrace this satanic inspired faith called Islam.
Explain to us Kuffars (infidells) and ignroant ones, why that rock framed by a silver vigina over in Mecca enshrined in a huge stone building draped in black is not an idol?
Looks like an idol for your people swirl around it.
Looks like an idol when your people pray to it.
Looks like an idol when your people kiss it.
Looks like an ido when your peopel are requried once in their lifetimes to visit and do all of the above to get to thier so called Islamc heaven..
An old saying applies here.
"looks like a duck, clacks like a duck, walks like a duck... is a duck"
You Islamics criticise Christians for having statues or kiss the toe of a statue of a Pope, and have icons of the risen Christ...
But you Islamics have your idols, too...
One of which is a revered black rock in Mecca that is an instrument of your so called "worship" ...
And that is what idoltry is pal...
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Callforjustice911
Callforjustice911 | November 30, 2007, 10:19pm | #
ala ali wrote after me:
"Looks like an idol for your people swirl around it.
Looks like an idol when your people pray to it.
Looks like an idol when your people kiss it.
Looks like an ido when your people are requiied once in their lifetimes to visit and do all of the above to get to their so called Islamic heaven..
"Yes, I agree with your statements. The keyword is that it "looks like". What may "look like" something may not be anything."
OH what does that mean? You did not answer my question with that answer. To me as the old saying says "looks like a duck.... IS a duck" !!!
IS is what it is about.
The fact that Islamics revere this rock in such a way PROVES by definition (Websters) that it IS an IDOL...
That rock can be nothing else.
And Islam chastises us Kuffar (infidel) for idol worship when their religious law make such requirements for reverence of a rock in Mecca?
Come on...
Take the mote out of your eye before you take the splinter out of another's eye.
That rock in Mecca is an idol by definition and practice.
Websters: IDOL
1: a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
2 a: a likeness of something obsolete : pretender, impostor
3: a form or appearance visible but without substance
4: an object of extreme devotion; also : ideal 25: a false conception : fallacy
That idol rock in Mecca fits that definition to the par.
And by the way, even the very name of Muhammad is an idol to those in the Islamic faith if one is put to death for even defiling that name such as the teacher in Sudan that allowed her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammed". Western Civilization got over that problem in Christianity nearly 400 years ago. Now there are some who will even have a crucifix with Jesus on it in a buck of piss and make an art photo out of it. Oh... Christians are outraged... But you will not see us put the artist to death...
You Islamics need to get your brains out of the Middle Ages, get a grip on the promise of this century rather than turn your backs on its promise.
Callforjustice911
I would rather talk about Morrissey | December 1, 2007, 12:29am | #
I always laugh at the discussions over what is "true" Islam and what isn't. Certainly it comes down to personal bias, especially for those who have vested interest in protecting the image of Islam.
The reality is, like the Bible, the text is predominantly left up to personal interpretation. Islam can be peaceful and ignorant, or it can be cruel, and ignorant.
This is why there is so much debate surrounding the moderates, and extremists in any religion.
So, when a person says that Islam is a religion of peace, and someone else says that is a backwards peace of fascist bullshit, they're both right.
It all depends on who is holding the chips at that particular time in history.
Unfortunately, the extremists have most of the chips right now, and the moderates are either unwilling, or incapable of speaking out against them en masse.
I'm not so much concerned about making every Muslim out to be a raving psychopath as I am about acknowledging that the Muslim world as whole has a terrible human rights record, and absolute disinterest in civil liberties.
Since I believe that human rights are not relative, and that they should be held in high regard around the world, criticism for the acceptance of a holy book as a guiding light for social policy is simply repellent to me.
Now, I'll let you guys get back to working out what a shitty piece of archaic literature really means.
