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Another Ron Paul Surge

Here's a screencap of Ron Paul's campaign site around midnight this morning.

Here's a screencap from five minutes ago.

In about 11 hours Paul has raised $1.6 million. That surge is part of a mass November 5th fundraiser dreamed up by grassroots Paul supporters: "Remember, remember, the fifth of November" by raising $5 million in one day for Paul. The campaign had fallen well short of its $4 million goal for October, raising some doubt whether it could raise $12 million by December 31. If the donors merely keep up their pace today, they'll get the campaign halfway to that goal with 55 days left. By comparison, Howard Dean blew away the rest of the Democrats in the final quarter of 2003 by raising $15 million. That was after three months as the frontrunner, the endorsement of Al Gore, etc.

Even if you don't like Paul, you have to gasp at what's happening in the GOP race. There are three phenomenons running in tandem: Paul's fundraising, Huckabee's cash-strapped poll surge, and McCain's running-on-fumes poll comeback. Anybody working for the Rudy-Fred-Mitt power trio has to wonder why the Republican base is so hungry for these other choices. (Also, more reason to ignore the campaign finance reformers who whine about big money trumping ideas and good people in politics.)

UPDATE 4:01: Right now Paul's reporting $5.45 million, meaning he's 1)doubled his fourth quarter fundraising in one day and 2)already surpassed his entire fundraising total from the third quarter. I'm pretty sure Paul's broken the record for one-day fundraising in a primary campaign. (Mitt Romney raised $2.5 million in hard dollars at one January event, then inflated the total with $4 million of pledges. Since his donations have fallen off in successive quarters I don't know if all those pledges were fulfilled.)
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Comments to "Another Ron Paul Surge":

robc | November 5, 2007, 11:25am | #

Election next year is on November 4th. If things go right, we will be remembering November 5th, 2008.

Thomas Paine's Goiter | November 5, 2007, 11:28am | #

http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/last_days_total.png

joe | November 5, 2007, 11:30am | #

Not only is this setting up Paul to rise into the competetive tier of candidates, but due to some unique characteristics of this race and the candidates in it, it is entirely possible that the Republicans could have a borkered convention - ie, no one comes out of the primaries with enough delegates to get the nomination because several difference candidates won several different states.

What could Ron Paul get in exchange for two or three states' delegates?

joe | November 5, 2007, 11:31am | #

Brokered convention.

Although that could end up with people getting borked, too, I guess.

iih | November 5, 2007, 11:32am | #

Michelle Malkin has opened her website for registration. I recommend that Paul supporters register there so that they can voice their opinions whenever he is brought up, and I do think that with these dollar numbers he will almost certainly will be brought up. Lets just keep things balanced there.

Swedish Chef | November 5, 2007, 11:33am | #

Bork! Bork! Bork!

CoveAxe | November 5, 2007, 11:34am | #

What could Ron Paul get in exchange for two or three states' delegates?

Lip service and little else. I think he would need many more before he could make a large impact at the convention. Even then, it's highly unlikely they would win the election against any other democrat.

Vermont Gun Owner | November 5, 2007, 11:34am | #

Minor Nitpick:

Just to be clear, some offline donations (around $350k) from the past week or two were added today as well. That means it was not $1.6 million raised today, but actually $1.25 million. I am a Ron Paul supporter, but I don't want to distort the story so it sounds better than it is. Besides, it will legitimately get to $1.6 million soon enough...

J.P. | November 5, 2007, 11:34am | #

There is a reason that Dr. Paul has received more contributions from the military than any other candidate, Republican or Democrat, and it is because he speaks truth about our foreign policy. I hope average Americans are starting to realize this as well.

I am a career Naval officer who has been politically neutral for my entire life, but voting for Ron Paul is about voting for America and our Constitution. I am now supporting Dr. Ron Paul with my wallet--and my heart.

robc | November 5, 2007, 11:35am | #

ronpaulgraphs.com is showing 3.115M as the start of today number, they probably have the offline split out properly.

Steve S. | November 5, 2007, 11:36am | #

Good analogies between candidates and college football teams including Dr. Ron at

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=gamedayFinal0710

sixstring | November 5, 2007, 11:37am | #

He's getting about 40x his usual donation rate. $5M in one day may be a stretch, but it looks like $3M is attainable.

Taktix® | November 5, 2007, 11:38am | #

Anybody working for the Rudy-Fred-Mitt power trio has to wonder why the Republican base is so hungry for these other choices.

No, they have to know the Three Blind Whites are buffoons. That's how doublethink works. You have to fully know you're wrong and right at the same time.

Incidentally, I just watch V for Vendetta for the first time all the way through. Excellent! The graphic novel's still in print, right?

Taktix® | November 5, 2007, 11:41am | #

Good analogies between candidates and college football teams including Dr. Ron at

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=gamedayFinal0710


I'm glad they paired WVU and Romney. Fuck em' both.

Pitt will rise again!

Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 11:41am | #

One reason the October figure fell short was due to a quite anemic last ten days of fundraising - which some attribute to donors holding back so they could donate on the "cool" day.

Hopefully the giddy atmosphere of the Guy Fawkes day promotion will lead to more donations "net" than otherwise would have occurred.

Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 11:42am | #

Taktix, the graphic novel is indeed in print, and is in most respects superior to the film IMO.

J sub D | November 5, 2007, 11:43am | #

Although that could end up with people getting borked, too, I guess.

A witty typo recovery!

Vermont Gun Owner | November 5, 2007, 11:43am | #

"ronpaulgraphs.com is showing 3.115M as the start of today number, they probably have the offline split out properly."

My bad, it may have only been $250k of offline donations. It seems that Weigel is using numbers directly from the website, which lead to a slightly misleading amount.

Mark Twain | November 5, 2007, 11:43am | #

President Paul! America this may be our last chance for freedom and liberty!

Jay D | November 5, 2007, 11:43am | #

joe, RE: borkered convention

One thing that could encourage RP to run third party is if he ended up with a plurality of delagates but, in the end, got borkered.

Vermont Gun Owner | November 5, 2007, 11:44am | #

Fluffy, count me as one of those "some." I was annoyed that they did not choose a date in October, which would have allowed the campaign to meet it's $4 million goal.

Paige | November 5, 2007, 11:44am | #

The current record of the year for fundraising in one day is $3 million, set by Obama. If things keep going at this rate for Ron today, that figure will be an afterthought.

I would love to see the mainstream media try to ignore or spin this.

jmklein | November 5, 2007, 11:46am | #

The Republican party does not have superdelegates, every single one comes to the convention pledged. If there is no majority than the only mechanism is the bargaining table, who knows, mabye Paul could trade his delegates for an end to the war?

Craig | November 5, 2007, 11:46am | #

The November 5th goal was originally ten million dollars in one day, even though one million might have been more realistic. Looks like setting a high goal paid off, though. The site had around 18,000 people pledged for $100 each, but some are going over that, and many didn't sign up on the website.

Ron Paul would have little chance in a brokered convention, but since many states are winner-take-all, or winner-take-all by district, he could gain a majority of the delegates while getting substantially less than 50% of the primary vote. Judging from the polls, 30% would probably be enough.

Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 11:48am | #

Jay D -

Even more delicious than a brokered convention would be a third party run by Paul leading to the election being thrown into the House, which would turn the Presidency over to Hillary.

I say "delicious" not because this would be a good outcome, but because of the century of bitching and moaning it would set off.

Timothy | November 5, 2007, 11:48am | #

Also, more reason to ignore the campaign finance reformers who whine about big money trumping ideas and good people in politics. pretend to think money trumps ideas but really don't want real alternatives to have a chance at the polls.

Fixed it.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 11:48am | #

I, too, just watched V for Vendetta for the first time. Excellent movie and very relevant. Good choice of references for this movement to search for donations on this day.

As for the steady donations today, I think between 5pm eastern and about 10pm pacific there will be the majority of donations just because people will be home and logging on to their computers...and maybe the evening news will report on this money bomb and there will be a large take this week as a whole because of new supporters. Could change the world forever. How awesome is that?!

Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 11:49am | #

Actually, aren't delegates only pledged for the first ballot?

Isn't the most likely scenario not really a "brokering" in the old style, but no winner on the first ballot, followed by delegates abandoning their pledged candidate in droves?

Nick | November 5, 2007, 11:57am | #

I think that's correct that delegates can switch allegiance once their guy is eliminated, but how they get eliminated is unknown to me. Is it basically the lowest delegate holder loses his first and those people go to someone else? If this is how it works then Ron Paul does not have a chance, so he really needs to win a majority of delegates because we will all stick with him. I am considering being a NY delegate for Ron Paul, but I have to make sure I will have no conflicts for the convention. I'd love to go if he wins. If anything, just to see the atmosphere where RP supporters are everywhere and neo-con supporters look utterly confused at what just happened.

Reinmoose | November 5, 2007, 11:57am | #

Wooooooooo! GO RP!

Mainstream Media | November 5, 2007, 12:00pm | #

I would love to see the mainstream media try to ignore or spin this.

Ignore what?

sixstring | November 5, 2007, 12:05pm | #

The Republican party does not have superdelegates, every single one comes to the convention pledged. If there is no majority than the only mechanism is the bargaining table, who knows, mabye Paul could trade his delegates for an end to the war?

I'm not sure that's true. Here in NY we send 101 delegates to the RNC. 87 are pledged, but the remaining 14 that are sent have more to do with their position within the party. The State Republican Party Chairman goes and holds a vote. I'm not sure he is bound to cast it with the 87 pledged. I'm also uncertain how long each delegate is required to stick it out with the candidate he is pledged to. In Connecticut, where I grew up, the rule was that after the first convention ballot if no winner is chosen, then they were all released from that obligation.

Jay D | November 5, 2007, 12:06pm | #

Even more delicious than a brokered convention would be a third party run by Paul leading to the election being thrown into the House, which would turn the Presidency over to Hillary.

I say "delicious" not because this would be a good outcome, but because of the century of bitching and moaning it would set off.
It's a feature, not a bug!
People wouldn't understand that because they don't understand the constitution.

Another feature is that the Electoral College could avoid a House vote. "Faithless" Rudy Electors could, in theory, vote for Paul, putting him over the top! (yeah, right.)

badmedia | November 5, 2007, 12:06pm | #

There was no 4 million goal for October. If he got 4 million for October and still only got 12 million for the quarter, then he would have 3 months of no increase, when he has gained over 100% increase in the past.

If you figure in only a 50% increase in funding, then he is well on pace to get over $12 million for the quarter.

2.6 / 2 = 1.3 million more needed for the month of november. 2.6 + 1.3 = 3.9 goal for the 2nd month. And 3.9 / 2 = 1.95. So, 3.9 + 1.95 = 5.85

2.6 1st month
3.9 2nd month
5.85 3rd month
------------------
12.35 million for the quarter and over the goal.

Elwar | November 5, 2007, 12:06pm | #

Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Liberty Donation plot,
No reason the nation,
Forget the Liberty Donation,
When individuals gave a lot.
Ron Paul, Ron Paul, t'was his solution
to return us to the Constitution.
While ignored by the political elite
the r3VOLution took to the street,
freedom loving people were on track
to take their country back.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, listen to this call.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, vote for RON PAUL!

ed | November 5, 2007, 12:06pm | #

Has Reason officially endorsed the candidacy of Ron Paul yet? The magazine used to wait till just before the general election to do that. It gave them an air of impartiality amid the stench of partisan campaigning. I'm assuming those days are gone forever?

joe | November 5, 2007, 12:08pm | #

Are you kidding, CNN, the networks, and even the local news love this story.

Ron Paul's third-quarter numbers - the report in which he beat McCain - were the headline on the Page 2 story about fundraising in that day's edition of the Boston Globe.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney raising the most money was mentioned farther down in the story.

It's time to get over complaining about "the media ignores my candidate," and graduate to "the media is being mean to my candidate."

Mainstream Media Man #2 | November 5, 2007, 12:09pm | #

Ignore what?

I believe they are talking about the fact that Ron Paul (a long shot libertarian with no chance to win, who is polling at -74%) supporters have raised (through identity theft or some form of spamming) less than 5 million dollars today in celebration of a violent attempt to use terrorism on the English Parliament.

Jay D | November 5, 2007, 12:09pm | #

I could be wrong, but I understand the convention this way.

In the first round of voting, delagates vote for who they are pledged to. If there is no majority (50%) all delagates are then free for the next round of voting. New votes are taken until a candidate gets a majority.

J sub D | November 5, 2007, 12:10pm | #

Has Reason officially endorsed the candidacy of Ron Paul yet?

Do they really have to?

Maintream Media #1 | November 5, 2007, 12:10pm | #

That's right, MMM#2!

In related news, Britney Spears blah blah blah....

sixstring | November 5, 2007, 12:10pm | #

Nick,

I just volunteered my name as well for the RNC delegation from NY. I seriously doubt Paul will be able to overtake Rudy so it's probably a moot point. Having been to a few conventions on the State level and one for a Congressional district, I have to tell you it is an electric atmosphere if there is no outright winner.

J sub D | November 5, 2007, 12:12pm | #

It's time to get over complaining about "the media ignores my candidate," and graduate to "the media is being mean to my candidate."

Damn, joe. You're in good form today.

james | November 5, 2007, 12:16pm | #

While I don't agree with RP on everything. Immigration and abortion. He is far far superior to those who are considered the mainstream candidates on both sides of the political spectrum. Scary Republican or Scary Democrat I prefer RP at least he will try to tame leviathian.

Edward | November 5, 2007, 12:18pm | #

Morons, all you. That's all that needs to be said.

John-David | November 5, 2007, 12:18pm | #

Watching that ticker is hypnotic. Paul's funds are going up $3000-5000 per minute.

sixstring | November 5, 2007, 12:19pm | #

An extra Quarter Million in the hour since this was posted. This is fun!

Nick | November 5, 2007, 12:20pm | #

How about "when the media doesn't ignore my candidate, they outright lie about his policy positions...and they are mean to him...and they call his supporters tin foil hat wearing, neo-Nazi, teenage robots spamming from their mother's basement." Is that better?

robc | November 5, 2007, 12:24pm | #

RP is now over $4.7M for the quarter, which puts him back on pace for $12M for the quarter.

al | November 5, 2007, 12:24pm | #

ROn Paul is supprising many who stay informed. The sad truth though is that the vast majority of voters in the U.S. will not research the candidates. They will instead listen to the "non-answers" candidates give about issues and then change the channel to hear the latest news about Paris Hilton.

If they really understood what is at stake in this election, MABEY they would pay attention.

robc | November 5, 2007, 12:25pm | #

Remember, its just one spammer who has sent in the same dollar 4.7 million times.

joe | November 5, 2007, 12:25pm | #

Yes, that sounds pretty much like what the supporters of every candidate who receives a significant amount of media attention says, Nick.

Wake me up when they spend several days talking about how Ron Pauls his sandwich, or what he drinks in the morning.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 12:27pm | #

As for the offline donations added in the wee hours this morning, I have no problem with them at all. I know some people were mailing in their donations early so they would be in house by Nov 5th. No reason not to include them. It is an impressive take and if the media asks the campaign about the timeliness of the donations added from offline sources, I think they would be honest. Also, people like to contribute when the numbers climb. If offline donations spur that on, so be it. They are still legit donations that have to be added sometime. Why not on the day the world changed forever?

Overly dramatic? Maybe I can be a writer scab!

guy in the back row | November 5, 2007, 12:30pm | #

Dammit, I thought I was supposed to send in my 100 on 11/1!

Oh well, it's all good, I guess.

A | November 5, 2007, 12:31pm | #

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

-Mahatma Gandhi

sixstring | November 5, 2007, 12:34pm | #

I just contributed. Flipped back to the home page just in time to see my name and hometown.

james | November 5, 2007, 12:34pm | #

Edward why are you still posting here? Can anyone block him from posting? I keeed I keeed ;o)

Tom | November 5, 2007, 12:35pm | #

Why wouldn't the media want a Ron Paul or a Howard Dean or whoever to win? I don't mean the media as an institution or complex -- I mean your typical pound-the-street journalists and pundits. To the extent that it feels invigorating and meaningful to live and operate in a time of historic import, it seems they'd crave this sort of thing, if even on the most shallow, self-serving level.

I mean, we see that phenomenon function on a smaller scale in the everyday sensationalist-story-du-jour stuff we see on the local news. Shouldn't it transfer to this bigger picture? If nothing else, how FUN to cover an event of seismic change on the U.S. political landscape, rather than yet another round of the same old, drab paint-by-numbers politicos.

Yet the Ron Pauls and Howard Deans are the most ripe for brutal, unforgiving media takedowns, when all is said and done.

ed | November 5, 2007, 12:35pm | #

Has Reason officially endorsed the candidacy of Ron Paul yet?

--Do they really have to?


Have they or not? He's certainly their de facto choice, of course. Just wondering if they've made it official yet. A legitimate question I think, given the foundation's mission to provide independent, nonpartisan analysis. Reason appears to have commited to Paul's candidacy well over a year before the election. Which makes them participants--not reporters--in the election process. No one here has a problem with that?

robc | November 5, 2007, 12:38pm | #

Tom,

Why doesnt the media want non-football powers in the BCS championship game? I understand why ABC (or whichever network) doesnt want them, they want ratings. But, the beat writers seem to go out of their way to hold down "upstart" sports teams, when it seems to me the cinderella is the better story.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 12:39pm | #

So, joe, do you agree with many of your fellow liberal Dems when they say Paul secretly hates blacks, browns, gays, and women?

sage | November 5, 2007, 12:39pm | #

Why wouldn't the media want a Ron Paul or a Howard Dean or whoever to win? I don't mean the media as an institution or complex -- I mean your typical pound-the-street journalists and pundits.

They all have a comfort zone, and will go to great lengths to protect it. And the MSM is well aware of their slide to irrelevance, and will squeeze out as much influence as they can until the day that happens.

Tom | November 5, 2007, 12:43pm | #

Well, I'm not sure about the slide-to-irrelevance theory -- the fact that so many people still furrow their brows over mainstream-media coverage (including on this thread) shows that the media still wields immense power.

But the comfort zone thing -- yes, there's certainly something to that. But it's weird... If you know any journalists personally, you probably find them to be among the most cynical, relativistic, aww-just-fuck-it people you know. Yet when it comes to actually putting pen to paper, or fingers to keyboard, they often lapse into easy habits. The comfort zone, as you say. It's odd.

Mike | November 5, 2007, 12:44pm | #

This firms up Dr. Paul's position...

http://www.truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm

badmedia | November 5, 2007, 12:45pm | #

So they have to endorse someone because they write articles about them? Do you think nobody notices you are trying to change the topic to something totally different, in an effort to discredit the topic?

How long have topics about other candidates been going?

You sir, are transparent.

Legate Damar | November 5, 2007, 12:45pm | #

beat writers seem to go out of their way to hold down "upstart" sports teams, when it seems to me the cinderella is the better story.

If the #2 team is a traditional powerhouse with 1 loss and they get pounded, then the #1 team is an all-time great and the hacks can compare them to "insert greatest ever college team here". If the #2 team were a Boise State or a Hawaii and THEY get pounded, then why, oh why didn't the best team in "insert local conference here" get a chance since they actually played somebody?

It's a prisoner's dilemma of sorts and the sportswriters are so scared of a life term that they happily take the reduced sentence.

joe | November 5, 2007, 12:45pm | #

Cesar,

I think it's pretty clear Ron Paul has some..."old fashioned" ideas about certain things.

I haven't seen anyone accuse him of being a hater, though. Then again, if you've ever been accused of racism by a liberal, you've noticed that they can be incredibly fleet of foot.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 12:48pm | #

joe-

I guess you missed out on this.

Apparently Ron Paul is a theocrat who hates minorities and women! As brownish atheist Ron Paul supporter, I guess I'm just too stupid to figure that out.

DangerMan | November 5, 2007, 12:48pm | #

Wake me up when they spend several days talking about how Ron Paul eats his sandwich, or what he drinks in the morning.

1)Cut in triangles, with crust.

2)Chuck Norris' blood. With cream and sugar.

james | November 5, 2007, 12:50pm | #

If Ron Paul were racist he wouldn't advocate ending the war on drugs.

joe | November 5, 2007, 12:51pm | #

I guess you are, Cesar. Just how fleet of foot are you, anyway?

Liberal uses overwrought language to describe opponents' position. News at 11.

Luke Johnson | November 5, 2007, 12:52pm | #

Hurm, based on the thisnovemberfifth.com screencap, the donations just broke 2 million since midnight.

http://www.thisnovember5th.com/images/RP_Nov5_Start.jpg

Probably be 2 million up from Reason's screencap soon, another half hour or so. Not too shabby.

joe | November 5, 2007, 12:52pm | #

But I must admit - finding somebody in a comment thread using overly-strong language: well played, sir! Bravo!

joe | November 5, 2007, 12:54pm | #

If Ron Paul were racist he wouldn't advocate ending the war on drugs.

It never stopped William F. "Right now the white race is the superior race" Buckley.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 12:55pm | #

I guess you are, Cesar. Just how fleet of foot are you, anyway?

Don't know how I am now, but I was a sprinter on the track team in high school. I'm sure Michelle Malkin would think I'm good at making it across a desert, too.

But I must admit - finding somebody in a comment thread using overly-strong language: well played, sir! Bravo!

Well, they found a newsletter being ghostwritten from back in 19991(!) and accused him of writing it--despite the fact its not his style at all, and despite the fact he never said anything even close to what was in the news letter any other time in his entire career.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 12:55pm | #

If Ron Paul were racist he wouldn't advocate ending the war on drugs.

And if he was afraid of vaginas, I doubt he would be an OBGYN.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:01pm | #

Yeah, the upstart is only a good story once they've won. Then people will talk about it after the fact. But it doesn't drive readership unless they win which is less often than winning. I find readership for many egotistical reporters to be the driving force. There aren't that many I-want-to-report-history-in-the-making reporters any more. They're probably just like the rest of us, trying not to get fired. Self-preservation is a natural tendency. Hell, just being on the winning side is a natural tendency for many. That's why so many people are bandwagon fans. They just want to be able to say, "I am a fan of the winner" or "I voted for the winner." I know several people who actually vote for who they think will win just because they think they will win. These people don't have any real convictions and very little loyalty. They may disagree with the winner, but at least they "knew s/he would win." Then they can puff their chest out and brag about how smart they are. Assholes.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 1:01pm | #

I don't think there will be a brokered convention. Romney wins Iowa and New Hampshire, and a la John Kerry catapults to the nomination. Giuliani fizzles out after South Carolina, McCain and Thompson never really get off the ground. Huckabee does well enough to save face and be chosen by Romney as the VP nominee as sop to southerners religious right.

Edward | November 5, 2007, 1:02pm | #

There's nothing left for me to do but kill myself. I'm never posting here again.

joe | November 5, 2007, 1:03pm | #

Cesar,

He - Ron Paul, personally - put his name on that article, and never asked for it to be renounced.

he never said anything even close to what was in the news letter any other time in his entire career. His comment about 90% of the black males in Washington, D.C. being criminal wasn't exactly ripped from a Martin Luther King speech, either.

Let's not get all fan-boi defensive here. Even your very favoritist professional politician is going to have some smudges on record, like all the other ones. Ron Paul's a bit of a hick, and it comes through sometimes. That's not the worst thing in the world.

Reinmoose | November 5, 2007, 1:05pm | #

HA! You all think this is impressive, just look at how much Mike Huckabee has raised so far this month!

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/

joe | November 5, 2007, 1:06pm | #

I don't think there will be a brokered convention. Romney wins Iowa and New Hampshire, and a la John Kerry catapults to the nomination.

I would agree, except for the Mormon thing. I don't think Romney can win a single southern state, and that will screw everything up.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 1:06pm | #

Let's not get all fan-boi defensive here. Even your very favoritist professional politician is going to have some smudges on record, like all the other ones. Ron Paul's a bit of a hick, and it comes through sometimes. That's not the worst thing in the world.

I'd say he comes off more as an old man than a hick.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:08pm | #

For governing purposes, it doesn't matter at all if Ron Paul is a racist because he holds an anti-collectivist agenda and would presumably stick to that. From an election standpoint, however, it will come up time and again, that 1991 newsletter. He needs to set the record straight on national TV before an opponent mentions it, because whoever does it first will benefit more than any later retractions or clarifications can manage. Only front-runner bandwagon candidates can survive such a controversy. They actually use them to their advantage sometimes, but the upstart can't afford it.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 1:09pm | #

I would agree, except for the Mormon thing. I don't think Romney can win a single southern state, and that will screw everything up.

I thought so, too. But then Bob Jones endorsed him. If a nut like that can get over his Mormonism, than so can a typical Southern Baptist.

I have no idea how he is as a campaigner in a general election, but I have a feeling he will be crucified by Hillary.

joe | November 5, 2007, 1:09pm | #

Yes, Cesar, that's a much better description.

I'm going back to my original terminology - he's old-fashioned on these things. Not a hater, not a racial ideologue, but someone from an earlier generation.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:12pm | #

Approaching 5 mil in 5 weeks. Nice. Maybe 7 mil in 5 weeks by the time this day is over. Anyone know if the money tracker on his website includes or excludes general election money? Presumably it does not, but does anyone know for sure?

joe | November 5, 2007, 1:12pm | #

I didn't know about the Bob Jones thing. That could be important.

I think he'd give Hillary a better race than any of the others. He can get to her left on the war, and comes across as an honest man who calls 'em like he sees 'em.

Ron Paul vs. the Murdoch-backed Hillary would be a weird race. It might even entice a neocon Republican to run on a third-party ticket.

badmedia | November 5, 2007, 1:13pm | #

joe and cesar remind me of that howard stern thing where the people who hated him listened and talked about him more than the people who liked him.

Franklin Harris | November 5, 2007, 1:14pm | #

HA! You all think this is impressive, just look at how much Mike Huckabee has raised so far this month!
Well, maybe like Huckabee's theory of the Earth's age, Huckabee's accounting is just a bit off.

joe | November 5, 2007, 1:14pm | #

Plus, if the Democrats look like they are going to increase their majority in Congress, which is likely, Paul becomes the candidate of divided government.

It's strange to say, but from a structural point of view, the libertarian could be the best-positioned candidate.

badmedia | November 5, 2007, 1:15pm | #

Nick, I'm pretty sure he isn't even accepting General Election donations yet. I would give to it if he was.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 1:18pm | #

Heres Bob Jones endorsing Mitt Romney, if anyone is interested.

Cris | November 5, 2007, 1:19pm | #

Dr. Ron Paul's campaign has now programmed thier illegal spam bots to donate money, creating impression the campaign has money to operate with!!


GO RON PAUL!!!!

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:19pm | #

I would not be surprised if Romney wins NH and IA but the other states will be so split it will take all states to decide this race. I wouldn't be surprised if Super Tuesday decides nothing. Every GOP candidate is waiting until then to decide whether or not to pull out and they might all stay in because of the diversity of those Feb 5th states. Giuliani wins NY, Fred and Huck split some southern states, McCain wins a state or two, Ron Paul wins AK perhaps and by some miracle CA as well. Who knows? It is the most interesting election ever. And on the other side, the Dems are morons. John Edwards with VP Bill Richardson would probably beat any Republican this time around but their base is supporting Hillary and Obama who will draw out the disenchanted GOPers who might otherwise not show up. They can't get out of their own way. That's the only reason this GOP race even matters. Otherwise, after 8 years of W, it would be a slam dunk for the Dem.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 1:25pm | #

If John Edwards goes nuclear on Hillary and Obama, either Richardson or even Dodd could come up if enough primary voters get turned off by the negativity.

The Extispicator | November 5, 2007, 1:26pm | #

Guys, you've got the wrong screenshot. That's not Paul's fundraising total, but the number of times Edward has solemnly declared that he would never post here again.

CD | November 5, 2007, 1:27pm | #

Under the arm Pitt! Go WVU and Ron Paul!

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:28pm | #

2 million dollars in less than 14 hours is impressive. Anybody talking about the Nov 11 Veteran's Day money bomb? Is that supposed to be $100 also?

The Extispicator | November 5, 2007, 1:32pm | #

I haven't seen anything about the 11/11 money bomb, but how about $111 per person?

Max | November 5, 2007, 1:33pm | #

Ron Paul on Racism

R C Dean | November 5, 2007, 1:37pm | #

I think it's pretty clear Ron Paul has some..."old fashioned" ideas about certain things.

Like the Constitution, perhaps?

ChrisO | November 5, 2007, 1:37pm | #

Even my wife, who is a joe-level Democratic loyalist, has expressed interest in RP's candidacy. I believe he's starting to reach a lot more people than many believe.

I doubt he'll win (unfortunately), but his campaign has *already* had an impact, and I believe that the best may be still to come.

Taktix® | November 5, 2007, 1:37pm | #

Under the arm Pitt! Go WVU and Ron Paul!

Q: Why don't they have ice on the sidelines at WVU games anymore?

A: Because the guy with the recipe graduated...

Max | November 5, 2007, 1:40pm | #

Analogies are how dumb people understand things. Sports analogies are how REALLY dumb people understand things.

How in the fuck-all do we compare college football teams to anything like a political candidate? This is a way too simplistic description that doesn't really bring any new factual information to the debate at all.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:41pm | #

Sounds good. We have to keep being creative with these donation pushes. Money bomb ideas are great, but we need other ways too. I have a jar of coins to cash in and donate as well as football office pool winnings. I've heard some people are having Ron Paul garage sales and selling things on eBay to donate. Any other ideas. It feels even better to donate if I don't have to give up eating this week;)

joe | November 5, 2007, 1:44pm | #

Great piece, Max.

He writes a column about racism and Don Imus affair, and his criticism is aimed entirely at outside agitators and the federal government.

Not a single word indicating that Don Imum did anything wrong, or that there was anything to be upset about, except for the fact that people criticized Imus.

One of those "the REAL racists" articles. Not a racist statement, but what might be called "anti-anti-racism," the mindset that thinks that everything would be fine if it weren't for outsiders stirring up trouble.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:44pm | #

Sports analogies are used for everything. Hell, sports even steal terms from other sports to compare things. Like a long pass that they call "going for a home run" or "the quarter back of the Sabres power play." The term front-runner is a sports term. People like sports, Max. What's the big deal? You have to remember, the majority of Americans are not as smart as you. Speak their language and you might get someone to listen.

Taktix® | November 5, 2007, 1:48pm | #

That's $5 million...

gan | November 5, 2007, 1:48pm | #

And now the total has passed $5m!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nick | November 5, 2007, 1:50pm | #

The new graphic on Ron Paul's website has been up only one day and they're gonna have to change it by dinner time. Not enough room for the next 15 hours of donations.

Brandybuck | November 5, 2007, 1:52pm | #

Why oh why did they pick today of all days? Are they too blinkered to know what November 5th stands for?

If you're a bigoted Brit, then Guy Fawkes Day is an anti-Catholic holiday. Otherwise you're celebrating violent revolution. It doesn't matter if it's the historical Guy Fawkes, or that stupid movie, it's still about blowing up buildings and the people inside them.

Don't associate Ron Paul with this violent day! Ron Paul is a peaceful man. He does NOT condone violent revolution. He does NOT condone blowing up buildings.

If you were going to donate to the campaign today, then don't! Donate tomorrow instead. Stop celebrating violence.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 1:52pm | #

Joe, I think its a fair point that people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson need to keep racism alive so they have careers. Ditto for the NAACP. Its in their interest to find racist incidents, if racism disappeared tomorrow they would have no reason to exist. So they blow every incident out of proportion (witness, the Jenna 6, Imus) and defend the indefensible (Duke rape case, Michael Vick, O.J. Simpson).

Now, just because I believe that doesn't mean I'm part of the Steve Sailer-VDARE-Peter Brimelow "white heterosexual anglo males are the ones who are REALLY oppressed these days!" bandwagon, either. They're race pimps just as dependent on racist incidents for their survival as public figures and commentators.

james | November 5, 2007, 1:56pm | #

I've read that article. RP has posted other informative articles on LRC. Doesn't seem like the views of a racist to me.

Rattlesnake Jake | November 5, 2007, 1:56pm | #

"if the Democrats look like they are going to increase their majority in Congress, which is likely"

If Hillary is the nominee, the Democrats could actually lose Congress. If Hillary is the nominee, Republicans will show up in droves to keep her out. They will also vote against lower level Democrats while they're at it.

Thomas Paine's Goiter | November 5, 2007, 1:58pm | #

Why doesnt the media want non-football powers in the BCS championship game? I understand why ABC (or whichever network) doesnt want them, they want ratings. But, the beat writers seem to go out of their way to hold down "upstart" sports teams, when it seems to me the cinderella is the better story.

Because the sports media, by and large, is made of up ex-BCS conference players and BCS conference graduates.

gaijin | November 5, 2007, 1:59pm | #

If you're a bigoted Brit, then Guy Fawkes Day is an anti-Catholic holiday.

Sorry, I thought RP was running for president of the US...didn't realize I needed to consider what the brits might think.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:00pm | #

Cesar,

It's as "fair" a point as saying that Ron Paul and the Reason Foundation need to keep big government alive in order to have a career.

Which is to say, not at all. That's a cheap shot that can be hurled at any political activist or politician.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:01pm | #

That's possible, Rattelsnake Jake.

Warren | November 5, 2007, 2:03pm | #

Brandybuck,
Don't worry yourself about it. From this day forward, the Fifth of November will be remembered as RON PAUL DAY.

james | November 5, 2007, 2:04pm | #

Joe I didn't get that at all from the article. RP is right the government can't legislate against racist thought. People have a right to be assholes when it comes to race (really skin color and where you're from) without government trying to make it wrong. If you don't think that being a bigot is wrong no law that government can create will change that it will just restrict our freedoms even more. You have a right to say dumb shit just don't try to hurt anyone.

robc | November 5, 2007, 2:05pm | #

Because the sports media, by and large, is made of up ex-BCS conference players and BCS conference graduates.

S Florida, Rutgers (last year), Louisville (last year), Kansas, Arizona St, and Boston College are all BCS conference teams. While only Kansas remains undefeated, all of them had (while undefeated) their schedules ripped apart in ways that Ohio St. hasnt been subjected to. If Kansas is 4th because of their schedule (which is fair enough, it has been gawdawful), then why is OSU #1? Theirs has been only marginally better, at best.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:05pm | #

joe-

Let me know when Hillary Clinton comes running to Nick Gillespie to apologize for advocating big government.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 2:06pm | #

Brandybuck, I think the point of donating today is because A) it is an anti-establishment theme and B) it has a catchy rhyme to go with it.

The Revolutionary War was a violent revolution because the Americans that wanted to be free were not granted their freedom by peaceful means. Violence is sometimes necessary. On the flip side, donating money today or any other is a peaceful means to freedom. Both are good causes that should be fought, not because one is violent and the other is not. Those are just means to an end. Let's hope our peaceful means are successful.

Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 2:06pm | #

"He does NOT condone violent revolution."

Ummmm...He seems to think very highly of a violent revolution against the very monarchy that Fawkes had a problem with.

You have to remember that from the British perspective, the revolutionary generation were murderous traitors. Just like Fawkes. They just couldn't get their tea-stained fingers on Washington or Madison to hang them.

Lo | November 5, 2007, 2:07pm | #

I would like to suggest that each of us, and other supporters take a few minutes to email so called major media to insist that this amazing event in support of Ron Paul be covered, and not marginalized. No matter who the candidate might be, such an event is newsworthy, period.

Tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends, and so on, and so on, and so on.....

Here's a handy dandy list to help make it happen.

FAIR's Media Contact List
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:07pm | #

Cue Bill Donahue to go on tv and accuse Paul of being an anti-Catholic bigot!

james | November 5, 2007, 2:08pm | #

I dislike Sharpton and brother Jesse and I'm black. Without "racism" they wouldn't have careers. It annoys the hell out of me to see their asses on tv everytime some issue about race gains national attention. Who elected them the "black" leaders. The media needs to quit giving them so much face time when it comes to "race" related issues. They are con men and as interested in using the system to gain advantage for themselves and their friends as any politician.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:12pm | #

james,

It would have been nice, when discussing the issue of racism, for private-sector-loving, beat-racism-in-the-marketplace-of-ideas arguing Ron Paul to actually, you know, make the point that insulting people using racist terms is wrong.

And I don't see how you can read that article and not realize that he's putting the blame for the episode on those "outside agitators."

And since the entirety of those critics' program was to criticize Don Imus, without a single call for any government interference, the fact that Paul skipped over discussing Imus at all and went straight to talking about the government being the cause of racial diviseiveness seems even stranger.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:15pm | #

james,

I equate the way the news media treat Sharpton and Jackson the way some white people treat the one black guy in the office.

So, Bill, what do bla- I mean, what do you think about the Iraq War?

Elwar | November 5, 2007, 2:17pm | #

"Why oh why did they pick today of all days? Are they too blinkered to know what November 5th stands for?"

The brits should have learned by now that we take all of those British traditions and change them for our own purposes. We've usurped this holiday for ourselves and nobody will know the root reason for it.

Just like back in the day when we stuck a feather in our hat and called it macaroni.

Klutometis | November 5, 2007, 2:18pm | #

"Anybody working for the Rudy-Fred-Mitt power trio has to wonder why the Republican base is so hungry for these other choices."

I think it's bizarre that they're stuck in a parallel universe where they're relevant; fact is, Ron Paul doesn't need to "energize" his base: his base is self-energizing.

Brandybuck | November 5, 2007, 2:19pm | #

Ummmm...He seems to think very highly of a violent revolution against the very monarchy that Fawkes had a problem with.
Except that Great Britain fired the first shot in that revolution. It wasn't started by us. To be sure, a few government ministers got tarred and feathered before it started, but that's much different from blowing up buildings to guaranteeing that innocent bystanders will be killed.

Btw, Guy Fawkes was no libertarian. Celebrating this is a libertarian holiday is as stupid as celebrating Robespierre Day or McVeigh Day.

robc | November 5, 2007, 2:22pm | #

Brandybuck,

Think of it as day we find out who wins next year Day. Im sure it will be after midnight before the results of November 4th are final.

Its the negative first anniversary!

Eric Dondero | November 5, 2007, 2:23pm | #

Rudy is up 2 points in the very latest poll released over the weekend. His tracking is on an uptick. Just check out the daily RealClearPolitics.com culmaltive polling data (click on the very upper lefthand GOP Tracking Poll).

That's hardly what I would call "worriesome" for Giuliani supporters.

And McCain's rise is due almost entirely to Thompson's dip.

Oh, and Ron Paul? Latest poll according to RCP, has him at 3%, neither up nor down from last month.

Don't believe the hype by Republican-bashing Reason Bloggers. Just check RealClearPolitics.com first.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:25pm | #

DONDERRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOO!

I always wanted to be the first to do that.

Eric Dondero | November 5, 2007, 2:27pm | #

Just coming over the wires...

Ron Paul has had a close friend and political ally in Rightwing Washington circles for over 30 years. This gentleman who is widely known and well-respected on the Right, has supported Paul in virtually all his political efforts over the years, with money, advice and other support.

His name? Paul Weyrich.

Well, today Weyrich announced that he is officially endorsing...



MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT

This must be a major blow and dissapointment to the Ron Paul Campaign. Paul himself must be deeply troubled by Weyrich's personal betrayal of him. Weyrich after all, has been a huge backer of maverick and out-of-the-mainstream rightwing political efforts. You would have thought that Paul's quixotic Presidential campaign would have been tailor made for Weyrich support.

But alas, he's backing Romney.

DenisL | November 5, 2007, 2:27pm | #

At his time Ron Paul has received $2.5 million since last night.
This is more money in one day than any candidate in history has ever received.

I think he might be able to buy some advertising time now in New Hampshire and Iowa and elsewhere!

Max | November 5, 2007, 2:27pm | #

Hey Joe!

You Wrote:t would have been nice, when discussing the issue of racism, for private-sector-loving, beat-racism-in-the-marketplace-of-ideas arguing Ron Paul to actually, you know, make the point that insulting people using racist terms is wrong.

Maybe you didn't read the article I posted thoroughly enough. Ron Paul believes, "Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we can’t change people’s hearts by passing more laws and regulations."

What more does he need to say to come out against racism. Bigotry is all-inclusive to mean the collectivist mind-set whether it is racism, sexism, etc.?

Awik Dunder(head)oooo | November 5, 2007, 2:27pm | #

oh Thsesar. Thit. you were firtht.

But just with EDDDIEEEE last night, coming (in) second can also be divine.

robc | November 5, 2007, 2:28pm | #

personal betrayal

Projecting much?

Tom | November 5, 2007, 2:29pm | #

Paige wrote: The current record of the year for fundraising in one day is $3 million, set by Obama. If things keep going at this rate for Ron today, that figure will be an afterthought.

Where are you seeing that characterization of the record? I can't find it anywhere, and in the meantime I've come across this -- "Romney Raises $6.5 Million in One-Day Blitz" -- among other things.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:29pm | #

Dondero, Giuliani has become a family guy punch line. I'd like to see him try to give one speech without saying "9/11". Theres no way Republicans would nominate him, and if they do, theres going to be a third party split.

Max | November 5, 2007, 2:29pm | #

Hey Dondero,

Why are you touting flawed polls, man? Follow the money.

Eric Dondero | November 5, 2007, 2:29pm | #

Ceeeeeeeeesaaaaaaaar!!!

I always wanted to be the first to do that too.

Pero, mas prefiero el sonido de eso en espanol. Piensalo con un accento Mexicano.

Tom | November 5, 2007, 2:29pm | #

At his time Ron Paul has received $2.5 million since last night.
This is more money in one day than any candidate in history has ever received.


My above post goes to you, too, DenisL.

Franklin | November 5, 2007, 2:30pm | #

Damn! And I know of 4 donors (myself included) that haven't even made their donations yet today.

Also, Ron Paul Delegate Info.

And, for some of the media related posts... are you really under the impression that the journalists themselves get to decide on what gets printed or aired? The best that they can do is present ideas. Sometimes they're not even told by their producers why a story won't be used. I imagine there are times that their producers don't know why either. There are many documetaries with very well known journalists talking about the subject.

Yes! Dondero's back! I was getting tired of all ROTFL comments coming from people with names like "Joe" and "Edward".

Tom | November 5, 2007, 2:31pm | #

And, for some of the media related posts... are you really under the impression that the journalists themselves get to decide on what gets printed or aired?

Speaking as a journalist, yes.

robc | November 5, 2007, 2:32pm | #

Tom,

Im not sure where I saw it (ronpaulforums.com maybe) but Romney got $6.5M in pledges in one day, but only collected $2.5M that day. And didnt necessarily receive all the rest of the pledged money.

I think the record is from 4 years ago. Kerrey got 5+ million in one day, I think.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:33pm | #

Max,

Once again, he could have said that Imus was wrong. He didn't. Not once. He wrote an article about the Imus affair, and never once thought to say that it was wrong to insult those women using racial slurs.

That's what more he could have said - addressed the central point of the issue, and indicated that he thought slurring people with racial terms was as bad as criticizing people for using racial slurs.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:33pm | #

Pero, mas prefiero el sonido de eso en espanol. Piensalo con un accento Mexicano.

Campaigning for PAN?

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:35pm | #

Rather, he fell back into generalities, and then aimed his fire more at those who oppose racism.

Eric Dondero | November 5, 2007, 2:37pm | #

Cesar, how old are you?

I'm 44. In my 44 years on this planet there has not been a single event more powerful, more devastating, more explosive literally in the United States of America, than 9/11.

Our Nation is 230 years old.

I would challenge you to find a single event in our Nation's history more important than 9/11.

Yes, Pearl Harbor, and the invasion of Normandy come awfully close. Perhaps Pearl Harbor does equal 9/11. I admit one could make that argument.

But in our lifetimes, (and I'm assuming here that you're in your 30s or 40s), NOTHING EQUALS THE EVENTS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001. And perhaps NOTHING ELSE EVER WILL.

For you to say that Rudy Giuliani talks about 9/11 "too much" is downright insulting and a great offense to anyone and everyone who is a loyal citizen of this great country.

If anything, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT 9/11 NEARLY ENOUGH!!

There's been a grand total of 2 major Hollywood movies made about 9/11: Flight 92, and the one about the Fireman in the Twin Towers starring Nicolas Cage.

How many movies were made about WWII?? Hundreds???

When is the last time you remember ANY News outlet showing the jets flying into the Twin Towers? Maybe Discovery Channel or the History Channel late at night on one of their specials. But that's about it.

Are American schoolchildren today taught about what happened on 9/11?

Hell No!!! It's all been blotted out by the liberal media.

Thank God, WE FINALLY HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE EVENTS OF SEPTEMBER 11.

I say for that reason alone, Giuliani more so than anyone, deserves to be the next President of the United States.

Oh yeah, plum forgot. Ron Paul talks about 9/11 too. Especially when he wants to blame America for the attacks.

Arkham_Angel | November 5, 2007, 2:38pm | #

Goin' strong folks! I've never donated to any candidate..until today! $200.00 aint much but every bit helps! Even $5.00. Go Ron Paul!

james | November 5, 2007, 2:40pm | #

Joe because I grew up dealing with bigotry I understand that it is wrong. But it is not my job to make sure that all the racist change their stripes. Racism is fucked up if someone is racist I don't deal with them it is really that simple. That doesn't mean though that I have to believe that they should be prevented from spewing their bile. I believe in freedom and an individuals right to do what ever they want provided they don't infringe on anyone else's right to do the same. Now if you are calling me nigger and you try to touch me well you have earned the asswhooping that I will deliver. If you are just talking crazy well I will ignore you. If you are too fucking dumb to see that racism and bigotry is bullshit why should I waste my time trying to convince you otherwise (I don't mean you Joe I'm referring to bigots and racists in general).

The problem with race in America is that lots of people think it is real and denotes something that is real. Race as the term is used by most people is a social construct. I have white ancestors, black ancestors, native american ancestors.

RP is right the government is the problem. The Fugitive Slave act was a government program. Jim Crow was a direct result of Reconstruction. Separate but equal was a bullshit government doctrine. So yeah I believe government has played its part in the "race" problems that face America. We weren't even considered whole people in the census blacks were only 3/5 of a fucking person the government enshrined that bullshit. And you believe government can make it better. The WOD bitch slaps minorities and the poor. Look at the discrepancy between sentences for powder cocaine and crack. If you are black and you have five grams of crack you will get the same amount of time as a person who has 500 grams (that is half a kilo) of powder cocaine. Your representives did that shit not racist bigots on the street.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:41pm | #

Thank God, WE FINALLY HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE EVENTS OF SEPTEMBER 11.

Oh, yeah. Thank God. Lord knows, politicians don't ever talk about 9/11.

Folks, this is the level of reality that illuminates pretty much all of Dondero's political thought.

Arkham_Angel | November 5, 2007, 2:43pm | #

Eric Dondero: I think what a lot of people are saying about Mr. Giuliani is that 9/11 is all he has to talk about because the majority of his political views are certainly not in line with the current or traditional views of the Republican party.

I must disagree with your view that "for that reason alone he deserves to be the next President of the United States."

miche | November 5, 2007, 2:44pm | #

I donated $200 this morning and am at my max for the primary season. It's exciting watching that counter go up.

joe | November 5, 2007, 2:47pm | #

james,

If you are actually a libertarian, than don't you believe that individuals pushing their ideas in the marketplace of ideas is, in fact, the right way to make social progress?

How can Ron Paul talk about that concept out of one side of his mouth, and then criticize as troublemakers those, like Sharpton and Jackson, who took the step of pushing anti-racist ideas in the marketplace of ideas? If he wanted to argue against racism and against government, he should have been holding up the way anti-racists denounced Imus as a model of how private-sector activism can work to change minds and demonstrate to corporations what the public thinks. Instead, he looked at them doing exactly what libertarians want people to do when fighting against racism, and blamed THEM for being divisive.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:50pm | #

Dondero, would you do anything to ensure that no American ever gets killed by a terrorist ever again?

Max | November 5, 2007, 2:50pm | #

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Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 2:53pm | #

Dondero, pull the other one. No one who listens to Rudy can be enough of a Giuliani believer not to notice that he's a Family Guy joke at this point with the 9/11 references.

Or maybe he's a South Park joke. He's from Planet Marklar, except it's actually Planet 9/11. "Would you 9/11's please pick up that 9/11 and bring it over to the 9/11? I have to go out to pick up some 9/11's later on, and I don't want all those 9/11's laying around where someone might trip on them while I'm gone."

Tom | November 5, 2007, 2:53pm | #

Ugh, why don't y'all just ignore him?

MindStalker | November 5, 2007, 2:54pm | #

Nick: Technically if its biggest loser goes out first style Paul does have a "chance". Its quite possible that their delegates could go to Paul. Paul won't be the biggest loser.

Eric Dunderhead | November 5, 2007, 2:54pm | #

Check out Dondero's "libetarian" website...love the link to "libertarians for Giuliani" as well as the link to celebrity libertarians like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Matt Drudge, John Stewart.

I think we can safely replace the old joke that libertarians are republicans who smoke pot. Apparently, libertarians are republicans who like to drink and drive.

Lost_In_Translation | November 5, 2007, 2:54pm | #

Ah yes, Dondero the punching bag is back for more abuse. And once again I'm reminded why I will not be voting for Mr. Guliani, so that douchebags like him do not get the last word.

And yes Dondero, I am personally attacking you and if you in the same room, I would also call you a douchebag.

Fuck off.

Fluffy | November 5, 2007, 2:55pm | #

Joe -

It's impossible to separate the campaign against Imus from the implicit threat that hangs over the license of every radio broadcaster every day of the year.

FCC complaints WERE made. Demands for fines WERE made. Calls for licensure action WERE made.

You can't just try to pull out the marketplace of ideas card.

Max | November 5, 2007, 2:56pm | #

Joe, Ron Paul does not feel it is his job to blast people for their speech. The reason why we have free-speech is so that we can know who the morons are...like Dondero up there with his Giuliani 9/11 speech.

Do you really expect him to address everything you disagree with so that you can feel better?

If you haven't noticed yet Dr. Paul sticks to the issues and doesn't distract people with irrelevant matters like who said what and why they are wrong.

Nick | November 5, 2007, 2:56pm | #

Eric, it is disingenuous of Rudy to use his role (he was mayor at the time, woohoo!) on 9/11 as the sole reason he thinks he should be president. He is using that attack that no one has forgotten to win political points and gain higher office. What a creep. Other politicians don't need to mention 9/11. People remember it clearly. What I have learned since that day is that our country is not innocent. The murdered civilians, yes, but we have a foreign policy that contributes to the hatred of our country by those that we come into contact with in their countries. So, we should perpetuate that hatred by continuing to fight the war in Iraq which Giuliani supports? How does that make sense? How does it make sense that you, a man who says he is libertarian support a gun grabber like Giuliani? I know you have a personal grudge against Ron Paul, but why Giuliani? Just because he happened to be mayor of the city that was attacked? Hillary happened to be senator of NY at the time, why not support her? He and she are the same anyway.

Cesar | November 5, 2007, 2:57pm | #

Dondero--

Just leave the war and the Holy Day of 9/11 aside. Please explain why you support a smoking-ban supporting, anti-prostitution legalizing, drug-warring, executive-power grabbing mayor from what is probably (behind San Francisco and Massachusetts) the third most left-wing place in America? Don't let your brain hurt too much.

Thomas Paine's Goiter | November 5, 2007, 2:58pm | #

November 5, 2007


What an incredible day to be a supporter of Ron Paul!

You have raised over $2 million so far today, putting us closer to our $12 million fourth quarter goal. This is more than any Repu