Yes, this is fake.
However, this shameless demagogic speculation, unfortunately, isn't:
Just for the Record
Comments to "Just for the Record":
Eryk Boston | October 28, 2007, 6:49pm | #
"cnnheadlienews.com" is a hint if you actually look for it.Could someone explain why Malkin cares about immigration status? Since she believes U.S. citizens can be imprisoned based solely on their ethnicity, she can't claim to place much value on citizenship.
Underzog | October 28, 2007, 7:01pm | #
Whom are you going to accuse Michelle Malkin of driving to suicide today -- you Ernst Rhoem wannabes?"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"
Radley: It would be nice to also highlight Malkin's demagoguery on American Muslims. Her blog is full of crap, it is not hard to find. Muslims in this country do deserve some freedom from fear in this country as do all individuals, right?
Cesar | October 28, 2007, 8:02pm | #
Could someone explain why Malkin cares about immigration status? Since she believes U.S. citizens can be imprisoned based solely on their ethnicity, she can't claim to place much value on citizenship.I guess since the Phillipines was once an American colony, she could sort of claim it that way.
Malkin is an Anchor Baby | October 28, 2007, 8:04pm | #
She's an anchor baby.Aren't these things normally point/counterpoint, and not point/even more of the same point?
Cesar | October 28, 2007, 8:07pm | #
Aren't these things normally point/counterpoint, and not point/even more of the same point?Apparently you're not a viewer of Fox News. Ever seen "Beltway Boys?" They have a right winger, and a far right winger.
Jim | October 28, 2007, 8:28pm | #
I had to stop watching once Michelle started talking. She's like some evil, Asian barbie doll. She's got soulless eyes, she's probably got the devil in here.iih | October 28, 2007, 8:35pm | #
Seriously though, Malkin claims that she's fired up by patriotism. Lets just assume that that is not true, what is in it for her? Just to keep a job (i.e., is it just a gig for her?)? I have often heard (conspiracy) theories that she's trying to make the illegals and the Muslim "terrorists" just the front because, otherwise, Asian Americans would be the target of much innate racism in society. I.e., a racial theory.The devil | October 28, 2007, 8:36pm | #
Feh.The devil, I say | October 28, 2007, 8:37pm | #
...and my borders are open.J sub D | October 28, 2007, 8:47pm | #
I have often heard (conspiracy) theories that she's trying to make the illegals and the Muslim "terrorists" just the front because, otherwise, Asian Americans would be the target of much innate racism in society. I.e., a racial theory.Nah. IN U.S. society, Asians are increasingly regarded as white. This is just one of many dissertations on the subject. I find the whole thing humorous as hell. The Chinese are white, the Mexicans and Arabs aren't. 100 years ago the Slavic people weren't white. Of course the Winarskis and Zarycxnys are now? Sheesh! You gotta laugh (or cry).
Irish didn't used to be white, either. Which is weird, because they often have lighter skin than just about anybody.
mw | October 28, 2007, 8:51pm | #
Malkin: "...uncontrolled massive immigration... "illegal immigration and uncontrolled massive immigration..."I've heard some of the worst right wing hysteria [Lou Dobbs] and prejudice on this issue rationalized with "I'm not against immigrants, just illegal immigrants"
Apparently it is not just "illegal" immigrants that are the problem anymore. Now it's simply too many immigrants. Malkin drops all pretense in this piece. She is just against immigrants. Full stop.
This is over the top even for Fox. The bit has so little fact supporting such a grand sweeping conclusion that it could be a satirical Onion piece. Is it possible that anyone can watch this and take it seriously? Don't answer that. This is so fucking depressing. Where's my prozac?
Malkin's mechanic should consider switching to full synthetic.
J sub D | October 28, 2007, 8:53pm | #
Irish didn't used to be white, either. Which is weird, because they often have lighter skin than just about anybody.My first wife (the bitch fron hell) was an Irish redhead. They don't come much whiter than that.
Jim Bob | October 28, 2007, 8:55pm | #
Underzog,You're more likely to get a reach-around from your butt-buddies over at LGF.
Oh, I mispelled Zaryczny (zar-ZEE nee). I'll bet nobody catches it. ;-)
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:00pm | #
J sub D:When I fill out applications, they often do categorize Arabs (esp. of North Africa) as whites/Caucasian. Yeaaay, we too made it :-)
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:04pm | #
So either true (and misguided?) patriotism, or just a gig a la O'Rielly, Beck, etc.Mr. Nice Guy | October 28, 2007, 9:07pm | #
I don't think Malkin, or half of the right wing pundits believe half the crap they spout. It's a paycheck. Ron Bailey once called one of the Kristols on this at a conference on intelligent design where he asked him straight up "do you believe in God" and Kristol answers upset "that has nothing to do with anything." Kristol, a NY Jewish intellectual (uhh, I don't mean that in a bad sense since I take that scene to probably the most intellectual environment in the US), surely has little truck with Christian fundamentalists and their silliness, he just knows his readership.The devil | October 28, 2007, 9:08pm | #
My first wife (the bitch fron hell) was an Irish redhead.That's white of you.
J sub D | October 28, 2007, 9:10pm | #
iih, If possible, put down African. It's true, and maybe you can can get bonus points. ;-)Seriously, in the average American's view, you're probably not. Sad but true. I only tell you this because I assume your too smart to blame everybody for the prevailing ignorance.
Red Sox 1, Rockies 0.
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:10pm | #
I don't think Malkin, or half of the right wing pundits believe half the crap they spout. It's a paycheck.Ditto. Looking at the commenters over at her blog and, man, do I feel sorry for these people.
M | October 28, 2007, 9:11pm | #
Uh, we call them "Sox of Color" now, Hon.iih | October 28, 2007, 9:14pm | #
J sub D:I always omit answering that question since I think it is a stupid one to ask, especially of foreigners for whom affirmative action does not apply. Yeah, it is sad, the level of racial over-awareness and sensitivities in this country.
Yes, it is going to be a sweep baby!
David E. Gallaher | October 28, 2007, 9:19pm | #
J sub D,I'll go this far:
Your first wife had freckles on her
but
she was pretty.
iih, You'd have loved what my 2nd wife (the really, really good one) and I did with the 2000 census. We gave them age and sex. Not a damned thing more. They have to count, they don't have to pry!
J sub D | October 28, 2007, 9:24pm | #
David E. Gallaher,She was freckled and beautiful. I could stare for hours. 'Twasn't enough though.
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:25pm | #
Do they ask about race? Why the hell would they do that for?J sub D | October 28, 2007, 9:30pm | #
Do they ask about race? Why the hell would they do that for?They ask about how many toilets you've got in your home. They ask so much crap (we got the long form) it's friggin' unbelievable. I'm a libertarian and, to borrow a phrase, "Homey don't play that".
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:34pm | #
They ask about how many toilets you've got in your home.
They do?!? That is stupid - talk about bureaucracy.
Do you have the right not to respond at all? I would think so. It is not in the Constitution, or is it?
Grand Chalupa | October 28, 2007, 9:36pm | #
Nah. IN U.S. society, Asians are increasingly regarded as white. This is just one of many dissertations on the subject. I find the whole thing humorous as hell. The Chinese are white, the Mexicans and Arabs aren't. 100 years ago the Slavic people weren't white. Of course the Winarskis and Zarycxnys are now? Sheesh! You gotta laugh (or cry).Maybe, just MAYBE, Asians being accepted into mainstream American society has something to do with them having the lowest crime rates in the country and not picking up welfare checks.
Damn racist Americans. Actually expecting people who come into their country to work and not commit crimes.
Didn't whites get the memo that they were put on this earth to lick the boots of darkies?
And don't Asians know that being a non-white people they're supposed to feel sorry for themselves and instead of studying real subjects spend their time on Asian studies?
My God, its almost as if white Americans are judging people by their character!!!! RACISTS!!!!!!
Half of the popes | October 28, 2007, 9:37pm | #
Yo. I don't ask about race.C'mon down!
The climates not so good, but the conversations INTERESTING AS
Underzog | October 28, 2007, 9:40pm | #
"Arabs are savages who just don't want to use their minds."Ayn Rand
"They're savages! They steal our oil and try to murder us with it."
Ayn Rand on her last appearance on the Phil Donahue show.
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"
Half of the popes | October 28, 2007, 9:41pm | #
Do you have the right not to respond at all? I would think so. It is not in the Constitution, or is it?No, it's in the constitution (for apportionment purposes) and you legally have to, and morally should, respond. They got what they needed (for apportianment purposes) from me. Everything else, Kiss my Ass!
Oops, that was me. I forgot to change my name back. What a dork!
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:48pm | #
They steal our oilThe one that is under their sand?
"Arabs are savages who just don't want to use their minds."
Let me ask the audience here who have been in discussions with me since I started posting here. I am Arab, could I be considered an Arab who can use his mind? If yes, then that disproves Underzog's (or Ayn's) statement. If not, then here is an Arab that would pass the test (I'd think).
Underzog: BTW, I find Ayn writings very very interesting. Am reading her On the Virtue of Selfishness now. Quite liberating.
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:50pm | #
No, it's in the constitution (for apportionment purposes) and you legally have to, and morally should, respond. They got what they needed (for apportianment purposes) from me. Everything else, Kiss my Ass!Ah! I see. (I knew it was you of course).
Ken Shultz | October 28, 2007, 9:53pm | #
No question in my mind that blaming the fires on immigration is worse than blaming the fires on global warming--which I heard Schwarzenegger do on the Today Show.Underzog | October 28, 2007, 9:53pm | #
They steal our oilJih: The one that is under their sand?
Nomadic savages who worship the rock god Jallah obviously don't understand the principle of private property.
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:54pm | #
well if Ayn Rand said it, I guess it's ok...Talk about a "religion".
iih | October 28, 2007, 9:56pm | #
Nomadic savages who worship the rock god Jallah obviously don't understand the principle of private property.How come? Please entertain... err explain.
iih, Chalupa and Underzog are kinda like that drunken, crazy lady, who's sleeping in a refrigerator box in the alley. They mak a lot of senseless noise, tinged with sexually frustrated rage, like that women I mentioned. It's probably best to ignore them.
The devil, to whom thou shalt give his due | October 28, 2007, 9:59pm | #
blaming the fires on global warmingNo respect. I get no respect around here.
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:01pm | #
J sub D;I know, I used to take them seriously. But it is becoming entertaining, that is all. Plus, the Sox are sweeping the Rockies, so what else to do? I guess that makes the point that Malkin et al. are really about entertainment, just like underzog and chalupa, except with mild attempts at sounding rational.
Underzog | October 28, 2007, 10:03pm | #
Jih: How come? Please entertain... err explain.Did you click on my name from my first and last posts?
If you want to be entertained -- do that!
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"
Underzog, I apoplectically apologize. I'm tired but that's no excuse for a genius, is it?
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:12pm | #
Underzog: Very interesting indeed. Now that you have entertained, please explain how our oil happens to be under their sand, or whether I or Zewail use our brains or not despite being Arab (or anything else for that matter -- I have all the time here, the Sox are sweeping the Rockies anyways -- not literally by the way, expect to find the mountains standing next time you visit Colorado).Underzog | October 28, 2007, 10:15pm | #
It irrelevant, Jih....Until the oil was taken out of the sand by the west (Britian U.S.; etc.) it was of no use to anybody.
That's part of the principle of private property that reading Ayn Rand will hopefully teach you.
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:19pm | #
Ah, thanks underzog for explaining. Do I take your agreeing to explain to and discuss with me that I am a worthy Arab who actually thinks, or do I not make the cut yet? If not, would Zewail make it?BTW, what's up with "Jih".
Underzog | October 28, 2007, 10:21pm | #
BTW, what's up with "Jih".Okay.... You noticed. My eyes aren't so good anymore and I am sorry.
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:23pm | #
Okay.... You noticed. My eyes aren't so good anymore and I am sorryThank you! And no problem at all, do not even worry about it ;-) See we can be friends :-)
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:31pm | #
J sub D:But it still holds for Chalupa.
What holds? I think you lost me there (maybe there is some truth what underzog said about Arabs not being able to think).
Underzog | October 28, 2007, 10:34pm | #
I have no problem being friends. I do want a state for the Jews. I hope there will be enough Arabs who realize that or look the other way if they can't handle their temper.Trying to take the high road with you, you obviously realize that Christianity had a reformation, counter reformation, Vactican II; etc. Islam had not really had that. It's not even that changed from when warrior Mohammed conceived it.
Ironically enough, people such as St. Thomas Acquinas got his Aristotle from when the Crusades went to the Middle East and they copied the Arab copies of Aristotle. The Christians who copied Aristotle from sort of accepted him, but the Arabs/Muslims, from where the Christians got it, rejected Aristotle; e.g., reason, logic, inquiry; etc. The greatest Muslim philospher Averros left no school and was specifically rejected by some sort of reverse Thomas Acquinas. Those who are familiar with Objectivist thought, whether they agree with it or not, understand what I'm trying to get at.
SIV | October 28, 2007, 10:35pm | #
Ever seen "Beltway Boys?" They have a right winger, and a far right winger.No! No! No! That show is Fred and Mort, one is an establishment Democratic centrist/apologist and the other is an establishment Republican centrist/apologist. Neither one is by any definition "Right Wing" unless you are one of the lefties who claims that the MSM and most elected Democrats are right wing.
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:47pm | #
I have no problem being friends. I do want a state for the Jews. I hope there will be enough Arabs who realize that or look the other way if they can't handle their temper.I have no problem either. But I think that if you adopt an individualist approach when talking about Arabs and/or Muslims, you can make way more mileage that way.
As for a Jewish state. Of course there should and will always be one. Those who claim to be able to wipe out Israel are as ridiculous as those who claim that Muslims/Arabs can be wiped out (and, yes, there are those who make that claim). I have many Palestinian friends who, at the end of the day, need nothing but a home and a safe place to have families. Some of their politicians are wacky (but so are some Israeli politicians -- you gotta at least give me that one).
In any case, I also understand what you are trying to get at regarding the objectivist view of the history of St. Thomas, etc. But, I tell you, Averoes and his philosophy did prosper. Not only his, but the thought of many others, too. It is only the modern Islamists who are trying to extinguish the light that these thinkers left behind. As for a Muslim reformation, don't worry it will happen as it had happened in the Christian West.
I am really glad we had this conversation. We are making progress here.
Now back to Malkin....
SIV | October 28, 2007, 10:48pm | #
Synchronicity or coincidence?This thread dipped into the "Who is white?"(Caucasian) thing I brought up in the previous thread.
iih | October 28, 2007, 10:49pm | #
SIV, I was the culprit. See my comment @ 8:35.Ken Shultz | October 28, 2007, 11:33pm | #
Oh, I forgot to add my usual...Who is this Michelle Malkin, and why should I care about what she thinks?
...to my post. Please consider the comment amended.
Mo | October 28, 2007, 11:37pm | #
Classic Malkin. Even though he's here legally, he may have been an illegal immigrant at some point.Maybe she should get her fellow ladder puller, John Derbyshire deported, since he has admitted to being an illegal immigrant before.
Underzog,
Doesn't your statement about oil belonging to the west, which is a bullshit argument, mean that I should be able to print copies and burn CDs of out of print songs and books? Since the original creator isn't extracting the value of it. Just because it isn't valuable until someone else does something with it doesn't mean they own it.
Stevo Darkly | October 28, 2007, 11:39pm | #
I think Malkin's hotBut how can she speak such crap?
It does not seem right!
Have devils possessed
Her hot Filipina bod?
I'll spank them all out!!!
sv | October 28, 2007, 11:48pm | #
haikus! +1.Neu Mejican | October 28, 2007, 11:51pm | #
SIV,This thread dipped into the "Who is white?"(Caucasian) thing I brought up in the previous thread.
Ah, but does the set "White" = the set "Caucasian?"
I am gonna bet not for David Duke, but yes for our Arab friend Grande Cabron.
The fun thing about arbitrary boundaries in continuous spectra is how they can move around to meet your current whim.
mnuez | October 28, 2007, 11:53pm | #
Malikin is, of course, a bitch. She's evil and vile (though not veiled) - and she IS live.I wouldn't say that she's soulless, just disgusting.
When it comes to soullessness, I can't think of any group of people to whom that term applies more than to many of you, kindhearted Libertarians.
By and large, you are the winners in the competition for survival. You are, again - by and large, people who don't need to struggle for survival. Most of you do not work at minimum wage jobs and have discretionary funds sufficient to buy a laptop or a non-clunker car. You are generally intelligent people who WILL NOT die from the "free" policies that you advocate and who WILL benefit from lower taxes - you don't need the government welfare services to get through your day.
For whatever combination of lucky genes, circumstance or early life you are not living at the edge of survival.
So why care if non-skilled workers invade in their millions to outbid millions of Americans for the jobs they used to have - or conversely if these jobs are sent out to foreigners STILL in the countries of their birth thanks to Free Trade agreements? After all, YOU'LL be able to expend EVEN LESS(!) of your discretionary funds on that laptop or car...
So soulless? I'd ask you to look in the mirrors and note the lack of empathy in your eyes for your tens of millions of suffering American brothers and sisters. THAT'S soulless.
mnuez
www.mnuez.blogspot.com
Neu Mejican | October 28, 2007, 11:56pm | #
I've decided to carve the world up based on somatotype.Those ectomorphs think their all hot shit, but we endomorphs will teach them...and our numbers are increasing!
Just don't tell the mesomorphs... they have a tendency to get all uppity what with their trim musculature and low body fat.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 12:00am | #
Don't believe the rumors that endomorphs are more prone to criminality. It is really the mesomorph blood in the endomesomorphs that makes them act that way.That's why we need to keep the races pure.
No cross somatotype relations allowed. An abomination to god they are...
iih | October 29, 2007, 12:04am | #
mnuez:heartless is when you outsource charity, caring, alms giving, social consciousness (whatever you want to call it) to a totally soulless entity such as a government which couldn't care less about other people's money or health or education. I for one like the libertarian view since it is honest about what a government can and can not do for the less fortunate.
Above all, I trust myself more than the government in distributing my money and I do give (not only in the form of taxes, which mostly ends up for a stupid foreign war).
Mr. Nice Guy | October 29, 2007, 12:04am | #
"No! No! No! That show is Fred and Mort, one is an establishment Democratic centrist/apologist and the other is an establishment Republican centrist/apologist. Neither one is by any definition "Right Wing" unless you are one of the lefties who claims that the MSM and most elected Democrats are right wing."That the two can be equated shows you how out of it right wing folks can be. Barnes is the executive editor and part founder of the Weekly Standard. The WS may not be "right wing" in SIV's fantasy world of Principled Conservatives Who Unfortunately Have Little Influence on the Conservative Movement in America, but it is one of the leading voices in American Conservatism today (need proof?). Barnes latest book is "
Rebel in Chief: Inside the Bold and Controversial Presidency of George W. Bush " an homage to our great leader. Kondracke is the editor of Roll Call, which is not a partisan magazine but instead devoted to political analysis, and his latest book is about his wifes Parkinson's disease...The two are not equatable of course.
iih | October 29, 2007, 12:08am | #
Red Sox Nation has finally become Red Sox Dynasty -- Empire!iih | October 29, 2007, 12:22am | #
Red Sox Nation is outside-- live, celebrating, and probably very drunk.TLB | October 29, 2007, 12:24am | #
Look, everybody! It's Reason and argument-free Radley Balko*, and they're supporting illegal activity again! It's great to see Reason try to conflate a non-satire smear with legitimate speculation.And, if you want to see real demagoguery - the type that, despite happening just miles from Reason's corporate headquarters is completely below their radar screen - see this. (No need for those who profit from Reason's policies to ask their maid to translate, an accurate one is provided.)
* Balko is so argument-free he had to switch to forum, sign-up based commenting because everyone kept pointing out how wrong he was.
Syloson of Samos | October 29, 2007, 1:20am | #
iih,The one that is under their sand?
The history of ARAMCO is fairly complex. The original owners of ARAMCO never bought the land the oil was under they bought a concession to get the oil under that land. Eventually the Saudi government bought a majority share in ARAMCO and that's how they came to control it. And that's just part of the story.
Mo,
Just because it isn't valuable until someone else does something with it doesn't mean they own it.
One of the ways that Europeans used to intellectually justify invasion of non-European lands was an argument similar to that. "Look, they just aren't using the land they way we do - therefore they are fair game."
The Wine Commonsewer | October 29, 2007, 2:00am | #
I know a little girl who is now old whose daddy worked for ARAMCO and was raised in Saudi.Later she took a train to the Union Plaza for the big gala opening of some casino in the desert owned by some mobster. It was called the Flamingo. Her uncle was a silent partner.
Swear to God, seen the pictures of Marilyn dancing with Sammy....she was standing on his shoes.
And that's why everyone is only six times removed from Kevin Bacon. Got dam it.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 2:28am | #
iih,Are you drunk?
Nah.
Just high on sarcasm.
It is the more natural high.
I guess I just read one too many essentialist arguments/statements and was overcome with a need to parody.
It is a common trait we endomorphs have. We are a jolly folk.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 2:38am | #
Essentialist politics?No! No! No! That show is Fred and Mort, one is an establishment
Jim Walsh | October 29, 2007, 3:11am | #
I don't think Malkin, or half of the right wing pundits believe half the crap they spout. It's a paycheck.The sad thing is, the minute I saw it was Malkin, I could tell you almost word for word exactly what she would talk about and what her spin on the subject would be. Unfortunately, that's the trend in talking heads these days(along with their radio counterparts) - total predictability. The truth is you can't get a talk gig if you don't tow the party line (I speak from firsthand experience).
It has nothing to do with anyone's political agenda; it's the fact that the people running Fox and squawk radio wouldn't know an original idea if it kissed them full on the lips...
prolefeed | October 29, 2007, 3:37am | #
Do you have the right not to respond at all? I would think so. It is not in the Constitution, or is it?I got the long form in the last census, too. I creatively interpreted some of the questions at first (put down the unborn child in my wife's womb as a child, with a DOB as of the date of conception because I'm pro-life and resented the tacit assumption that life doesn't start until delivery, put all our family members down as "African-American" because according to the latest anthropological theories everyone can trace their ancestry back to there), then got incensed at the increasingly busybody questions and told them to shove it. (I may have used stronger language than that).
And I wasn't half as libertarian as I am now.
Somehow I doubt that any of the detailed information will be used for purposes anyone even partially libertarian approves of.
The devil | October 29, 2007, 4:55am | #
@mnuezSo why care if non-skilled workers invade in their millions to outbid millions of Americans for the jobs they used to have - or conversely if these jobs are sent out to foreigners STILL in the countries of their birth thanks to Free Trade agreements?
Why do you hate millions of non-skilled workers?
Underzog | October 29, 2007, 5:05am | #
Mo,The Arabs are not the creator of the natural resource? They are also not the creators of the derricks, pumps; etc., needed to get the oil out of the ground A CD and print music is created afterall and is protected by copyright. All those suits as regards napster and those fake book people who were sued, remember?
I think you're very confused.
Butler T. Reynolds | October 29, 2007, 7:58am | #
Many of the immigrants from south of the border have skills. Not white collar skills and maybe not English, but trade skills. And motivation.Speaking of right-wing big mouths who don't really believe what they're saying, I'd nominate Michael Savage for top prize in that category.
BR
dhex | October 29, 2007, 8:29am | #
Look, everybody! It's Reason and argument-free Radley Balko*, and they're supporting illegal activity again!you know i came up with a phrasing to try and deal with the immigration racist types (like yourself) that summed up both the emotional and the political dimensions of this issue:
may you be fucked to death by a burrito.
Russ R | October 29, 2007, 9:16am | #
"In U.S. society, Asians are increasingly regarded as white."Not entirely... white folks will hire Asians, they just won't date them.
Chris S. | October 29, 2007, 9:37am | #
Property belongs to he who uses it best. In the U.S., we call this principle "eminent domain." If the government believes that it can use your land better than you, it just takes it.In any event, given your comments and childish tagline, Underzog, I don't think you're capable of using your own mind and body productively. I could put you to work -- use your skills that you're apparently incapable of using. Now, give me back your flesh, thief!
Taktix® | October 29, 2007, 10:00am | #
Speaking of right-wing big mouths who don't really believe what they're saying, I'd nominate Michael Savage for top prize in that category.I had a roommate in college that had an old picture of Savage and Alan Ginsberg holding hands at some retreat in southeast Asia.
Talk about a 180...
SYD | October 29, 2007, 10:04am | #
"Irish didn't used to be white, either. Which is weird, because they often have lighter skin than just about anybody.."In the 1800s and early 1900s, being White had less to do with the color of your skin and more with how to assimilated to WASPy culture. If you knew how to act like a "White person," that made you White. If you didn't want to learn the language, you were never going to be White.
The Irish, based on political cartoons of the era, were thought of as drunk, dirty, loud man-dog hybrids. I think my grandfather fit that description to a "T" but he's still the greatest guy I've ever known.
SYD | October 29, 2007, 10:05am | #
"Not entirely... white folks will hire Asians, they just won't date them."Tell that to dorky, usually tall, White guys in the U.S.
joe | October 29, 2007, 10:07am | #
Chkris S.,As least our government pays us.
Seen anything in Underzog's posts that indicates she wants to do anything but take by force?
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 10:32am | #
What holds? I think you lost me there (maybe there is some truth what underzog said about Arabs not being able to think).This post.
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 10:45am | #
Not entirely... white folks will hire Asians, they just won't date them.I call shenanigans!
Asian women are hotter than the Sahara. I've ALWAYS realized that southeast Asians in particular, are the most attractive/sexy women in the world.
Mad Dog, bite-'em-on-the-ass, Shannahan | October 29, 2007, 11:04am | #
The Irish, based on political cartoons of the era, were thought of as drunk, dirty, loud man-dog hybridsArf! Arf!
MikeP | October 29, 2007, 11:06am | #
mnuez,For whatever combination of lucky genes, circumstance or early life you are not living at the edge of survival.
And, due to the simple circumstance that they were born in the United States, no Americans are truly living at the edge of survival.
In fact, those non-skilled laborers born in other countries whom you soullessly disregard in your moral calculus are much closer to meeting that description.
So why care if non-skilled workers invade in their millions to outbid millions of Americans for the jobs they used to have - or conversely if these jobs are sent out to foreigners STILL in the countries of their birth thanks to Free Trade agreements? After all, YOU'LL be able to expend EVEN LESS(!) of your discretionary funds on that laptop or car...
It escapes me why one should care so much for Americans whose jobs are taken by immigrants or foreigners while not mentioning the ten times as many Americans whose jobs are taken by machines. Talk about soulless...
thoreau | October 29, 2007, 11:11am | #
Hey, Chalupa, question for you: Are Persians in the same category as whites or Arabs?What about Persian dentists?
Grand Chalupa | October 29, 2007, 11:14am | #
Persians are Muslims. Once you convert to Islam, genes don't matter anymore, you're fucked.Persians smart enough to become dentists have more hope than most.
Rattlesnake Jake | October 29, 2007, 11:18am | #
"Asian women are hotter than the Sahara"Look at Michele Malkin. I think she's hot, even though I don't agree with her conservative viewpoint.
VM | October 29, 2007, 11:19am | #
is that a parody?otherwise, I'd say the Chalupa has been dropped one too many times.
Rattlesnake Jake | October 29, 2007, 11:22am | #
"Tell that to dorky, usually tall, White guys in the U.S."That describes my son. He likes Asian girls. Now, if only he can find one.
Mo | October 29, 2007, 11:29am | #
Mo,The Arabs are not the creator of the natural resource? They are also not the creators of the derricks, pumps; etc., needed to get the oil out of the ground A CD and print music is created afterall and is protected by copyright. All those suits as regards napster and those fake book people who were sued, remember?
I think you're very confused.
Yeah and land is protected by property rights. You claim because the creator of the derricks and pumps gives value to the oil, the deserve ownership. I call bullshit.
You also seemed to miss the point I was making when I said out of print music and texts. Items that the creators have, for one reason or another, stopped trying to monetize. When someone takes those, burns them on CDs or prints them out, they no longer compete with the creators because the creators have taken them out of the game. Somehow taking something out of someone else's land is their because its valuable only with your intervention, makes it yours is ludicrous and completely incompatible with libertarian philosophy.
Rattlesnake Jake | October 29, 2007, 11:30am | #
"Speaking of right-wing big mouths who don't really believe what they're saying, I'd nominate Michael Savage for top prize in that category."You don't believe he really believes that garbage he puts out, Butler?
S. Chamberlain | October 29, 2007, 11:32am | #
Some of you might want to temper your public comments on Malkin. Last time her name came up here, I made some comment here and got spammed by her entire idiot brigade, including one lewd veteran of foreign wars who somehow found my work address and offered to come over and teach me a lesson. I had to report it--a complete mess.Rattlesnake Jake | October 29, 2007, 11:37am | #
"one lewd veteran of foreign wars who somehow found my work address and offered to come over and teach me a lesson."Did he say, "How big a boy are you? You ever had an ass whuppin'? I'm fixin' to come over and pore a 50 gallon drum of whip ass on you. You gonna be there all day?"?
Mo | October 29, 2007, 11:45am | #
S. Chamberlin,It sounds like the plot of Candyman, call out her name 5 times and then death comes.
Grand Chalupa | October 29, 2007, 11:52am | #
You guys want to hear a joke?Why can't Ray Charles and Steview Wonder read?
Because they're niggers!
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 12:01pm | #
That describes my son. He likes Asian girls. Now, if only he can find one.There's this place called Asia...
Also San Francisco, Vancouver BC, and college campuses. Don't thank me, I'm glad to help.
Minion of URKOBOLD | October 29, 2007, 12:12pm | #
Hay Michelle - yer mom is posting as "S. Chamberlian" and is trying to get us to stop teasing you.ALL OF YOU. POOR MICHELLE IS A FRAGILE LITTLE FLOWER. AND NONE OF YOU ARE TO TEASE HER ANY MORE. HER MOMMY ORDERED THAT.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 12:22pm | #
dorky, usually tall, White guys in the U.S.Why all the words?
Ectomorph guys like the mesomorph girls.
But that leads to ectomesomorphs and we can't have that.
highnumber | October 29, 2007, 12:47pm | #
Malkin Malkin Malkin Malkin MalkinCrazy Spammers and Internet Tough Guys,
Please visit us at URKOBOLD.
We look forward to hearing from you.
[waiting]
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Wusses.
Cesar | October 29, 2007, 12:50pm | #
SIV-One claims to be a Democrat but I hardly, hardly ever see much daylight between the two. Its like Hume's "all-star" panel at the end of his show--a guy from the National Review, a guy from The Weekly Standard, and a squishy centrist from NPR. Novak vs. Carville or Sheilds v. Kate O'Burn it a'int.
PARODY of EDDIE | October 29, 2007, 12:51pm | #
You wacky Urkobold fucks really can't handle me. I'll get dbust 1 and Nobody rolling on, and we'll fuck your site up. You and your loons aren't funny, and none of you is smart enough to realize just how lame your little world is.Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 1:05pm | #
A somatotype political taxonomy:Endomorphs = chubby = true American
Ectomorphs = skinny = traitors to our way of life
Mesomorphs = muscular = dangerous criminals
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 1:08pm | #
Somatotype cross-breeds:Endomesomorphs = chubby & muscular = slow criminals
Ectomesomorph = tall & muscular = traitorous criminals
It is unclear how to deal with Endoectomorphs, but it is suspected that they are the source of the criminal mesomorph type.
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 1:19pm | #
As an ectomorph, I aws initially offeded at the accusation of traitor. Then I realized that as a libertarian, I've alredy crossed that line in many minds.Ectomorphic Libertarians unite! Manute Bol for President!
Then I am certainly an ectomorph (the "skinny" part, not the "criminal" part)
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 1:55pm | #
iih, JsubD,Are you questioning the reality of somatotypes.
You can't expect me to believe that your somatotype isn't directly related to other abilities and traits. If genes control somatotype, they must also determine your IQ, work ethic, and talents.
You are just taking the PC line that somatotype doesn't matter because you are afraid of the truth.
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 2:16pm | #
You are just taking the PC line that somatotype doesn't matter because you are afraid of the truth.Meu Mejican - Is this where I'm supposed to call you a somatoist and tell you to go fuck yourself? Or do I talk about all the great ectomorphs in history. I think that the script usually goes one of those routes.
iih | October 29, 2007, 2:27pm | #
Meu Mejican - Is this where I'm supposed to call you a somatoist and tell you to go fuck yourself? Or do I talk about all the great ectomorphs in history. I think that the script usually goes one of those routes.If these were the only options, I'd pick option (1) but would let Jsub D pronounce the F word for me as I am too polite an ectomorph. The second does not appeal to me anymore.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 2:43pm | #
JsubD,Either options is fine.
Choice one leads to me pointing out that you are just somatotype baiting as a way to defend your PC positon.
Choice two leads me to tell you about my ectomorphic and mesomorph friends.
Eventually I will sheepishly admit that I, myself, am an endomesomorph, and blame my mesomorph side for my crass behavior.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 3:25pm | #
iih,I'll take that accusation as a compliment when it comes from one of you traitorous ectomorphs.
It was the unwillingess of ectomorphs to keep their hands off of our endomorph women that lead to the mesomorph in the first place.
Ectomorphs as a group are to blame for all the ills in our society...at least if you are willing to bravely follow the facts!
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 3:28pm | #
My endomorph side tells me it is time to get back to work.Viva la tipo de cuerpo!
iih | October 29, 2007, 3:52pm | #
NM:Seriously, did you make that stuff up or is that some science fiction stuff that you've read about?
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 6:32pm | #
iih,Well, I extrapolated from existing concepts that are well developed.
William Sheldon (1899-1977)
Sheldon hypothesized that a given physique and a given temperament are different expressions of the same genetic factor. In his original study with his colleagues at Harvard University, he examined thousands of photographs of nude male bodies and concluded that every physique can be identified in terms of the amounts of three components: endomorphy - the fatty, visceral component; mesamorphy - the muscular component; ecomormphy - the skinny component. A person's somatotype (overall body build) is described by a three digit number indicating the amount of each component. Each component was originally measured with seven being the maximum and one being the minimum. He later extended the scale to account for deviant cases.
The endomorphs tended to be sociable, amiable, needy for affection and approval.
The mesomorphs were usally assertive, adventurous, and dominating.
The ectomorphs were emotionally restrained, apprehensive, and secretive.
A teaching exercise based on the theory:
http://www-usr.rider.edu/~suler/somato.html
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 6:34pm | #
Another summary of Sheldon:* Mesomorphs which are defined as muscular and well developed. This was seen as associated with people who are aggressive, violent, and most likely to commit a crime.
* Ect omorphs are defined as slender, tall, intellectual and not likely to commit a crime.
* Endomorphs were large heavy build and less intelligient.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 6:42pm | #
Britannica on Sheldonhttp://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9343983/Sheldon-William
The most extensive web explanation I have seen
http://www.rippedcorner.com/2007/09/05/somatotypes/
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 6:54pm | #
Eventually I will sheepishly admit that I, myself, am an endomesomorph, and blame my mesomorph side for my crass behavior.And I'll righteously point out that some of my best friends are endomorphs and mesomorphs. I've even been best man at a endomorph and mesomorph wedding. I don't generally approve of those mixed marriages (libertarian disclaimer about somatotype freedom of association) but in this case it was for the best. I'm obviously more openminded and accepting of somatotypal differences.
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 7:04pm | #
Neu Mejican, Do you think anyone will recognize themselves in our little somatotype discussion?Me neither. ;-]
Underzog | October 29, 2007, 7:15pm | #
Here's further info on Saudi Arabia's parasitism of western (U.S) brainpower and technology: Excerpts from the linkThose who oppose strong action against the Saudis--or against anyone else in the Middle East, for that matter--will no doubt take up their Gulf War protest cry: "No blood for oil." But if they really meant those words, they would be the ones agitating for an invasion of Saudi Arabia, because blood for oil is the gruesome equation that has ruled the Middle East for the past five decades--our oil, stolen by the Saudis and used to spill our blood.
The Saudis did not create their oil fields. The oil was discovered and drilled for by American, British and French oil companies. These firms were the rightful owners of the oil, and until the 1950s, their rights were mostly respected.
The Arab chieftains who ruled the region had no idea the oil was there and no idea what to use it for; they were still riding camels. But once the West discovered the oil and put it to use--running our factories and automobiles--the chieftains began to tax the oil. When that wasn't enough, they simply stole the oil fields, beginning with the de facto nationalization of the Saudi oil fields in 1950. The House of Saud did not seize the oil in the name of the "the people"; they seized it to enrich a small gang of princes and hangers-on.
If someone were to propose, today, that such a vast amount of wealth be seized for the sole benefit of a single family of feudal aristocracy, the Western world would rise up to oppose the idea. So why accept such a situation after the fact?
Worse, consider what the Saudis did with their ill-gotten gains. The Saudi common man is still poor; not much of the oil loot trickles down to him. But plenty of money goes to indolent Saudi princes--and, through them, to the religious fanatics who attack America.
(end of link)
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 8:39pm | #
JsubD,Do you think anyone will recognize themselves in our little somatotype discussion?
The real question is...
Is he afraid of his mesomorph dentist?
Cuz I am.
Neu Mejican | October 29, 2007, 8:50pm | #
Determine your friend's somatotype and predict their behavior. A guide to objective somatotyping.http://www.innerexplorations.com/psytext/shel.htm
iih | October 29, 2007, 8:50pm | #
Is he afraid of his mesomorph dentist?Mesomorph or not, all dentists should be feared. (Just paid 1,000 to the dentist and 2,000 more soon for a SINGLE tooth!)
iih | October 29, 2007, 8:55pm | #
Looking at your 6:43 comment, then I am certainly an ectomorph.That stuff is for real! Wow... but I guess, it can all be logically explained.
J sub D | October 29, 2007, 9:17pm | #
Mesomorph or not, all dentists should be feared. (Just paid 1,000 to the dentist and 2,000 more soon for a SINGLE tooth!)The pain in your wallet will make the pain in your mouth seem trivial.
iih | October 29, 2007, 9:19pm | #
The pain in your wallet will make the pain in your mouth seem trivial.I guess this is how dentistry ultimately works.
Michelle Malkin, God bless her soul, is the good reason for our having this fun discussion.
rufus | October 29, 2007, 9:54pm | #
Willian Gheen, Americans for Americans: Blah, blah, blah... As of this time, we don't have conclusive evidence that Mexicans invented cancer, but we are looking into that. Blah, blah, blah...Seriously though, folks, is it just me, or do these Lou Dobbs-types make other people want to kill themselves too?
iih | October 29, 2007, 10:34pm | #
Seriously though, folks, is it just me, or do these Lou Dobbs-types make other people want to kill themselves too?I used to, but not any more. They are in it for the buck. Relax, it is just a gig. Wait a few more years until the terrorism thing and illegal immigration are over (you may have to wait many many many years for that though), and they will be living out of food stamps.
An Arab | October 29, 2007, 11:43pm | #
iih,As for a Jewish state. Of course there should and will always be one.
iih, ... Why. Why would you claim that? I am very very curious to know.
And while youre at it, whose land shall we give away in the creation of said state?
Neu Mejican | October 30, 2007, 11:07am | #
iih,That stuff is for real! Wow
Although it is about as useful for studying behavioral traits/personality/IQ as racial classification (i.e., not very), somatotyping ends up being useful in kinetics and other fields where body shape actually matters. Just like skin color or skull shape are useful classification parameters for some scientific questions, body shape has its uses.
Neu Mejican | October 30, 2007, 11:15am | #
Grand Chalupa (our shallow boat)I wonder if you have considered that the Asian IQ advantage might be a result of a larger proportion of ectomorphs in Asia.
I bet, however, that GDP correlates with endomorphy more than ectomorphy. Himm...
Neu Mejican | October 30, 2007, 11:23am | #
Study of somatotype in Italian children aged 6 to 10 yearsInternational Journal of Anthropology
Volume 14, Numbers 2-3 / April, 1999
S. Toselli and G. Gruppioni
Abstract The aim of the present research was to study the variations of somatotype, calculated by the Heath-Carter anthropometric technique, during growth in a sample of children (416 males and 402 females), aged 6 and 10 years, attending primary and secondary schools of L'Aquila and its province (Abruzzo, Italy). The sample was subdivided into “urban” and “non-urban” groups, on the basis of the residence of the children, to examine possible differences in growth related to the different environments. This study give an account of the somatotype components between urban and non urban children between the age 6 and 10 years.
A tendency toward an increase of endomorphy (adipose component) with age was noticed in both sexes. In females, ectomorphy (component of physical linearity) tended to increase and mesomorphy (muscular-skeletal component) showed a slight decrease during growth, while males exhibited a discontinuous trend.
The differences between urban and non-urban children were not significant, although generally higher values of endomorphy and mesomorphy were found in males and females of the urban sample.
The differences between the sexes consisted of higher values of endomorphy and lower values of mesomorphy in females. Ectomorphy was similar in the two sexes.
Helping to dispel the PC belief that somatotype is related to environment.
;^)
Neu Mejican | October 30, 2007, 11:36am | #
More somatotyping science,http://www.krepublishers.com/02-Journals/T-Anth/Anth-00-Special%20Issues/Anth-SI-01-Anth-Trends-App-Web/Anth-SI-01-09-115-125-Gakhar-I/Anth-SI-01-09-115-125-Gakhar-I-Text.pdf
I like this quote: The somatotype is a convenient shorthand descriptor of overall physique in terms of body shape and composition independent of body size (Carter, 1996). It combines an appraisal of relative adiposity, musculo-skeletal robustness and linearity into a three number rating. The three numbers represent endomorphic, mesomorphic and ectomorphic components of physique respectively. Somatotype identifies a person as belonging to a biological family which appears to be world wide in distribution and cuts across boundaries through which men have attempted to divide themselves according to ethnicity, colour, blood type, geographic origin and so on (Prakash and Malik, 1989a). Therefore, by providing a universal frame of reference, it attempts to serve the function of general human taxonomy (Sheldon et al., 1954).
NM: Are you writing a thesis on somatotype? You you are taking it way too... seriously?
S. Chamberlain | October 30, 2007, 1:32pm | #
Minion of URKOBOLD: Thank whoever or whatever sits above us that I didn't give birth to that half-wit harridan. I heartily recommend laughing at, pillorying, and/or disembowling (figuratively) her: I'm just saying it's probably a good idea to use a fake email address while doing it. I usually use my real name on the Internet and was thus completely unprepared for anyone to care enough about protecting Little Miss Malkin's fragile reputation to resort to Googling and threats. Given what she's like, though, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that her minions (no insult to you, MoU) are such thugs.Neu Mejican | October 30, 2007, 2:05pm | #
iih,My research involves diagnosis and typology related to behavior, so I have a general interest in attempts at objective classification systems. So, in that sense, I take the general topic seriously.
The somatotyping stuff as a way to expose the flaws in racist/essentialist thinking is just for fun. It does a nice job of exposing the underlying logical flaws of making direct connections between unrelated phenomena.
Sheldon's work, despite its utility in kinetics, is a textbook example of the impact of expectation bias. Expectation bias in research on race is the primary source of confound, but is frequently missed by advocates of essentialist positions.
Grand Chalupa (our shallow boat) provides a textbook example of how powerful expectation bias is in the interpretation of empirical evidence.
He professes an interest in the truth, claims to read the evidence in opposition to the essentialist position, but the power of his essentialist framing of the issue protects him from seeing the flaws.
Underzog | October 30, 2007, 3:06pm | #
Tell us all about it, Mr. An Arab.Yassir Arafat, who was born in Cairo, is, of course, an indiginous native of Palestine.
Incidentally, Pakistan was formed on whose stolen land?
iih | October 30, 2007, 3:27pm | #
NM:Hmmm... very interesting. I guess I did fall for the somatotype correlations. I hope that does not make me a racist.
Regarding, Chalupa and his like, I think the explanation does make a lot of sense.
Underzog | October 30, 2007, 6:56pm | #
And you know endomorphs (fatty types) don't do much violence because they're too embarassed to go outside.That settles it!
An Arab | October 30, 2007, 11:54pm | #
Underzog,Yassir Arafat, who was born in Cairo, is, of course, an indiginous native of Palestine.
Arnold was born in Austria, served in the Austrian military, and now governs California. Whats your point?
ncidentally, Pakistan was formed on whose stolen land?
They were all indians. They just separated into Muslim/Hindu lands. (thank you England).
But the Jews werent Arabs who wanted mutual separation. The British called them illegal immigrants. The Arabs called them invaders. Both were right. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Underzog | October 31, 2007, 7:51am | #
An Arab: But the Jews werent Arabs who wanted mutual separation. The British called them illegal immigrants. The Arabs called them invaders. Both were right. You are comparing apples and oranges.You Arabs call us the descendents of apes and pigs.
And the Arabs are right about very little -- certainly not the Jews. Now that Arabs have some land in the Gaza and Judea and Samaria, you've done nothing with it. As in keeping with your Islamic death cult, you chaps have devoted your life to killing Jews, other so-called infidels, and... each other.
The bible was right when it said of you people: "And his name shall be Ishmael and he will be a wildman. His hand against everyman and everyman's hand against his."
As for Yassir Arafat, he is the perfect symbolic leader of your pretend Palestinians; e.g., mass murderer, antisemite, homosexual pedophile, corrupt money expropriater, and dying degenerately of AIDs.
"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"