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Organic Farming Is a Load of--hmmm--Fertilizer

A superb article in the Australian popular science magazine Cosmos debunks the organic food and farming craze. On claims that organic is more nutritious, the article notes:

A comprehensive review of some 400 scientific papers on the health impacts of organic foods, published by Faidon Magkos and colleagues in 2006 in the journal Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, concluded there was no evidence that eating organic food was healthier.

Even if it can't be proved that eating organic is healthier, advocates claim it is nutritionally superior. Some studies, especially those reported by the organic farming advocate group, the British Soil Association, show that organic produce has a higher content of vitamin C, minerals and anti-oxidants such as flavonols, polyphenols, lycopene and resveratrol.

However, some of the compounds present at higher levels in organic food are actually natural pesticides. According to Bruce Ames, a variety of insect-resistant celery had to be taken off the U.S. market in the late 1980s because its psoralen levels were eight times higher than normal and caused a rash in people who handled it. There was a similar story with a naturally pest-resistant potato variety that ended up being acutely toxic because of its high levels of solanine and chaconine – natural toxins that block nerve transmission and cause cancer in rats. Organic farmers who rely on 'naturally resistant' plant varieties may also be producing plants with high levels of 'natural' toxins. And in this case, 'natural' is not likely to mean better. Think of Abraham Lincoln's poor mother, who died after drinking the milk of a free-range cow that had grazed on a snakeroot plant.

Regardless of how it is grown, the nutritional content of fruit and vegetables is more likely to be affected by freshness or varietal differences. One study reported by Magkos tried to narrow things down by growing the same variety of plums in adjacent fields, with one using organic and the other conventional methods: the conventionally grown plums contained 38 per cent more of the potentially beneficial polyphenol compounds than the organically grown ones did.

What about claims for sustainability? With regard to preserving topsoil, no-till farming using genetically modified crops wins hands down. To wit:

An 11-year farming experiment by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Beltsville, Maryland, compared crops grown three ways: conventional tillage, organic methods, or no-till. Compared to the conventional tilled plot, the organic plot was likely to hang on to 30 per cent more soil. But compared to the organic plot, the no-till plot hung on to 80 per cent more soil. 

What about the alleged health dangers of synthetic pesticides?

If chemical pesticides are hazardous to health, then farm workers should be most affected. The results of a 13-year study of nearly 90,000 farmers and their families in Iowa and North Carolina — the Agricultural Health Study – suggests we really don't have much to worry about. These people were exposed to higher doses of agricultural chemicals because of their proximity to spraying, and 65 per cent of them had personally spent more than 10 years applying pesticides. If any group of people were going to show a link between pesticide use and cancer, it would be them. They didn't.

A preliminary report published in 2004 showed that, compared to the normal population, their rates of cancer were actually lower. And they did not show any increased rate of brain-damaging diseases like Parkinson's. There was one exception: prostate cancer. This seemed to be linked to farmers using a particular fungicide called methyl bromide, which is now in the process of being phased out. According to James Felton, of the Biosciences Directorate of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, who also chairs the study, "The bottom line is the results are coming out surprisingly negative. It's telling us that most of the chemicals we use today are not causing cancer or other disease."

Health of the planet and protecting nature? 

...many agricultural scientists estimate that if the world were to go completely organic, not only would the remaining forests have to be cleared to provide the organic manure needed for farming, the world's current population would likely starve. 

Yields?

...the poor yield of organic farming means that food production would be a major problem. In Australia, for instance, organic farming yields 50 per cent or less per square kilometre because of pest problems and phosphate-depleted soils. (Phosphate is locked away in the ancient clays; conventional farmers help themselves to highly soluble chemically-made superphosphate. Organic farmers can't use a chemical, so they use poorly soluble rock phosphate.)

One critical point to note is that conventional farming using genetically modified crops has been reducing its effects on the natural world over time using the findings of science. Since organic is an ideology, its ability use of scientific findings to reduce its impact on the natural world is heavily constrained.

Look folks, eat all the organic food you want. Just don't be fooled into thinking that you're doing something good for your health or for the health of the planet. You're not.

Whole Cosmos article here.

Some of my own reporting in 2002 on organic alchemy here.

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Comments to "Organic Farming Is a Load of--hmmm--Fertilizer":

Warren | September 14, 2007, 9:57am | #

What no disclaimer? Bailey is shilling for Big Ag. I mean really, Abraham Lincoln's poor old Mother? For shame Ron, for shame. :J

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 10:02am | #

This should help the locally grown vs. organic debate along.

Missing from the study: Nothing about the effects of eating synthetic hormones over 2 generations? At least you could have recognized the shortcoming.

Morgan | September 14, 2007, 10:02am | #

Even if Ronald were shilling as you say, what's the evidence that he's wrong? He cites an awful lot of evidence, lots of places to point out the faults. I don't think the Lincoln anecdote is one of those.

Great article, it's always fun pointing out how much more resources are used and pollution is produced for the assumed benefits of organic produce.

jj | September 14, 2007, 10:03am | #

Crap. "Studies" are surveys. They are like the macro component of economics. The micro still needs to be considered.
Its an unassailable fact that pesticides kill cells -- otherwise they would not be used at all. Since they kill not only insect or plant cells, but human also, they are clearly not good for consumption.
Milk and meat are found to contain hormones (since these are pumped into cows) that are linked to human obesity and early puberty.
Presenting ONE freak incident of bad organic food food does not discount the benefits of eating organic any more than presenting evidence of one non-organic food that is unhealthy.
I'm a libertarian. I'm against govt regulation on any sorts of foods. But the evidence provided in this article sucks.

Episiarch | September 14, 2007, 10:04am | #

I haven't even read this yet and I'm already rubbing my hands with glee over the flamewar to come.

def | September 14, 2007, 10:05am | #

"Organic Farming Is a Load of--hmmm--Fertilizer".
Based on the scant 'evidence' presented? I'd say the article contains more fertilizer than organic food.

Warty | September 14, 2007, 10:06am | #

I like this study, as it supports my prejudices. jj dislikes it because it does not support his prejudices. So turns the world.

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 10:08am | #

Dear Ronald Bailey -
I would like to hear an explanation on how this has anything to do with free markets or free minds.

Congratulations for perpetuating the negative image of libertarians that many hold.

VM | September 14, 2007, 10:11am | #

pssst - Morgan -

Warren was kidding

jj:
"They are like the macro component of economics. The micro still needs to be considered. "

um.... hokae. I got nuffin hier.

Alan Vanneman | September 14, 2007, 10:15am | #

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ron, stop reading "Cosmos" and start reading "Cosmo." Your posts will be a lot better.

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 10:15am | #

jj: Please read the National Research Council's report, Carcinogens and Anticarcinogens in the Human Diet and get back to us.

I'll give you the bottom line now--the report concluded that levels of both synthetic and natural carcinogens are "so low that they are unlikely to pose an appreciable cancer risk." Worse yet from the point of view of anti-chemical crusaders, the NAS added that Mother Nature's own chemicals probably cause more cancer than anything mankind has dreamed up: "Natural components of the diet may prove to be of greater concern than synthetic components with respect to cancer risk."

And of course, the folks over at the American Cancer Society don't know what they're talking about when they conclude:

"At present there is no evidence that residues of pesticides and herbicides at the low doses found in foods increase the risk of cancer...."

val | September 14, 2007, 10:15am | #

What is the 'organic' equivalent for meat products? 'Free range'? Id like to see comparative studies regarding the hormone & antibiotic stuffed high density grown meat vs its free range cousin.

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 10:15am | #

In fact, I see nothing in this entire article about hormones. Isn't that quite a big oversight? Isn't that the big argument from the organic crowd? Wow, that's a gaping hole.

William R. Simonson | September 14, 2007, 10:18am | #

val,

Human meat?

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 10:21am | #

Reinmoose: I'm puzzled. For just one instance the organic folks want to ban and/or severely regulate genetically modified crops based on absolutely no good scientific evidence. Part of their rationale for this is that organic is nutritionally, ecologically, and economically superior. Surely opposing ridiculous unscientific regulations is an issue in which some libertarians might be interested?

Flappy The Eagle | September 14, 2007, 10:24am | #

I HAVE GIVEN UP ON EATING THE ORGANIC LIVER OUT OF HIPPIES ON ACCOUNT OF SEEING WEIRD TRACERS AFTER EVERY BITE. ZEUS HATES HIPPIES, AND THUSLY IT SHOULD BE MY DUTY TO PECK OUT THEIR LIVERS AND FEED MY EVER-GROWING FAMILY, BUT I CANNOT STAND THE HALLUCINATIONS ANYMORE. TAKE THIS AS A WARNING, HIPPIES, I MAY NOT PECK OUT YOUR LIVER BUT I'VE GOT A BEAK AND ETERNITY, I WILL FIND OTHER THINGS TO PECK UNLESS YOU STOP GROWING YOUR FOOD IN SHIT. I DID NOT SPEND THOUSANDS OF YEARS PECKING OUT LIVERS SO THAT I COULD EAT SPROUTS GROWN IN DUNG!

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 10:25am | #

Except that your post had nothing to do with regulations.

A superb article in the Australian popular science magazine Cosmos debunks the organic food and farming craze

Thank god we can all make fun of people who make choices about which foods to eat based on scientific findings presented in an Australian popular science magazine.

Pi Guy | September 14, 2007, 10:26am | #

Like I always say: Better living through Chemistry!

Edward | September 14, 2007, 10:27am | #

The organic movement, along with vitamin and supplement fads, has all the scientific underpinnings of astrology. It's all part of the wussification, risk aversion, and New Age goobledygook that have sprung up in the wake of traditional religion's decline.

Pro Libertate | September 14, 2007, 10:28am | #

"Organic" has very little meaning in advertising. Ditto "natural." I mean, arsenic is natural, but I don't want any in my Wheaties.

I seem to recall reading that the FTC wants to get more involved in this--and it probably will as "organic" sales continue to rise--but defining these terms is well nigh impossible.

Let's face it--most of us make a load of irrational decisions, many based on fears that are disconnected from reality. That's why we overreact to terrorist attacks, are scared to touch doorknobs, fear pesticides, avoid vaccinations, etc., etc., ad infinitum.

Jennifer | September 14, 2007, 10:32am | #

Reinmoose, maybe the "free minds" aspect has something to do with the idea that a mind can't be truly free if it's basing decisions on false information? It's like a post showing that, despite claims to the contrary, carrying a rabbit's foot does not actually result in increased good luck for the one who carries it. And people who walk under ladders have a mortality rate no higher than people who don't.

val | September 14, 2007, 10:32am | #


val,

Human meat?


Meh, the hunting season for that is not nearly long enough for me to deep freeze a year's supply.

de stijl | September 14, 2007, 10:33am | #

Everyone (well, not everyone, but some people) knows about confirmation bias.

But I've been thinking lately about what I've dubbed the Conan bias. I's argue that a lot of opionion and political discourse is based not on your beliefs and why they are superior, but rather of your desire to crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

In fact, I would argue that a lot people who "agree" with and "support" one particular Team do so not because they love that Team's policy positions or leaders, but that the despise (or fear) the opposing Team's positions or leaders or the type of people who identify with that Team.

And that it sparks a pleasure center in the brain when you denigrate them.

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 10:37am | #

Reinmoose: I don't want to read this magazine anymore if it's only going to run stories about SWAT teams and market regulations.

Warty | September 14, 2007, 10:38am | #

Wow, there are a lot of hurt feelings in this thread. Go wash the sand out of your vaginas, nancies. No one's stopping you from wasting your money on inefficiently grown vegetables at Whole Foods.

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 10:38am | #

It's like a post showing that, despite claims to the contrary, carrying a rabbit's foot does not actually result in increased good luck for the one who carries it.

Of course, that statement is just as unprovable as saying that a rabbit's foot does result in increased good luck.

Matt | September 14, 2007, 10:38am | #

Im cut and pasting the following that would seem to contradict your assertions, Ron. From the polyface farms newsletter, of which I know you're familiar. I await reading the study in more detail. I apologize for the weird formatting.

______

ON THE FARM – We’ve always known that Polyface eggs were the best in the world, now we have the data to prove it! This study was conducted by The Mother Earth News Magazine at a lab in Seattle. If you are interested in seeing the results of all the folks who participated in the study, watch for the September issue.


Polyface Eggs USDA Eggs

Vitamin E 7.37 mg 0.97 mg

Vitamin A 763 IU 487IU

Beta carotene76.2 mcg 10 mcg

Folate 10200 mcg 47 mcg

Omega-3s 0.71 g 0.033g
Cholesterol 292 mg 423 mg
Saturated Fat 2.31 g 3.1 g

The Atomic Fruitbat | September 14, 2007, 10:38am | #

People of Earth:

Eat irradiated mangoes and bananas! That's how I maintain my array of fantastic super powers!

It is also how I maintain my superhuman colon!

Additionally, eating human meat is wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong! Unless it is prepared with a plum marinade! Delicious!

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 10:38am | #

Reinmoose: You didn't know that the organic folks want to ban competitors? I had to spell that out?

Also, what Jennifer said.

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 10:40am | #

In fact, I would argue that a lot people who "agree" with and "support" one particular Team do so not because they love that Team's policy positions or leaders, but that the despise (or fear) the opposing Team's positions or leaders or the type of people who identify with that Team.

Very true...for a magazine that advocates "Free Minds" (drink), many here seem very quick to judge those who think inappropriately.

You know, "statists", "nannies", "hippies", "religious nuts", etc.

Pro Libertate | September 14, 2007, 10:44am | #

Dan,

You left out bibertarians.

VM | September 14, 2007, 10:45am | #

ProGLib:

"Let's face it--most of us make a load of irrational decisions, many based on fears that are disconnected from reality. That's why we overreact..."

Good call - hier (PDF!!!!!!) is an paper by Becker and Rubenstein (2003/2004) called "Fear and the Response to Terrorism"...

*chases atomic fruitbat around the room with a badminton racket*

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 10:46am | #

Human meat?


Meh, the hunting season for that is not nearly long enough for me to deep freeze a year's supply.


Here in Detroit, the season appears to be year round.

P Brooks | September 14, 2007, 10:47am | #

This has a great deal to do with the general phenomenon of hobbyists attempting to get the government to legitimize and subsidize their otherwise uneconomic activities. In order to fight this, we must find effective logical and scientific refutations to their largely emotion- based assertions.

uncle sam | September 14, 2007, 10:47am | #

I brought home some 'organic' pita bread from Trader Joe's once. When I was unpacking the bag, I noticed mold growing on it.

Hmmm, organic mold.

Michael Pack | September 14, 2007, 10:49am | #

Let's call 'organic farming ' what it is,primitive.It was the cause of famine and food shortages.

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 10:49am | #

Dan T. Nobody here wants to outlaw organic produce or free range chickens. We reserve the right to chuckle at those who spend extra (usually hard earned) cash on them. OK?

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 10:51am | #

Dan T. Nobody here wants to outlaw organic produce or free range chickens. We reserve the right to chuckle at those who spend extra (usually hard earned) cash on them. OK?

Sure. And I reserve the right to point out how the real motto here should be "free minds as long as you agree with us".

Jennifer | September 14, 2007, 10:53am | #

Sure. And I reserve the right to point out how the real motto here should be "free minds as long as you agree with us".

Non-trolling got to be too taxing for you, did it?

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 10:54am | #

Also, I'm so damned tired of this worry about "genetically modified/engineered" food. Broolli and Cauliflower are both descended from the same species of plant. Now write this down, boys and girls, SELECTIVE BREEDING IS SLOW MOTION GENETIC ENGINEERING. There will be a quiz at the end of the period.

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 10:54am | #

Wait a sec. The assertion that:

"Some studies...show that organic produce has a higher content of vitamin C, minerals and anti-oxidants such as flavonols, polyphenols, lycopene and resveratrol."

is rebutted by:

"However, some of the compounds present at higher levels in organic food are actually natural pesticides."

I'm not saying I disagree with the conclusion, but isn't this a bit like changing the subject then claiming to have one the debate?

It leaves me to wonder: How did Cosmos conclude that organic wasn't healthier? I mean with statements like this: "If chemical pesticides are hazardous to health, then farm workers should be most affected." I have to question their understanding of the scientific method from the start.

Episiarch | September 14, 2007, 10:56am | #

But I've been thinking lately about what I've dubbed the Conan bias.

I like this idea. If you look at a lot of people, their preferences and prejudices can usually be seen as a combination of their "confirmation" biases and "Conan" biases. Any scientific evidence that supports their confirmation or refutes the despised other's confirmations is great; anything else is ignored.

Or...is this just my own Conan bias regarding irrational or partisan people? My head hurts...

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 10:57am | #

"SELECTIVE BREEDING IS SLOW MOTION GENETIC ENGINEERING."

What's wrong with slow motion again? Too bad there wasn't slow motion with thalidomide for pregnant women.

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 10:58am | #

Meh, the hunting season for that is not nearly long enough for me to deep freeze a year's supply.
I misunderstood when I first moved to Florida and someone told me Tourist Season had started.

Luckily I got straightened out when I asked if a rifle or a shotgun was recommended.

I can see I could have gotten into a lot of trouble if I'd just gone out with the 30/30.

tk | September 14, 2007, 11:01am | #

Dan T.

I thought the whole idea (besides, of course, making pretty funny jokes/observations) of these comment threads was to battle it out intellectually over the substance of these posted articles.
I dialectic, you know? How can you say something like, "'Sure. And I reserve the right to point out how the real motto here should be "free minds as long as you agree with us'"? Who is "Us"? Is there some rules/guide line memo that gets sent out so everyone hews to a party line here? If so, nobody sent it to me, and for that matter, no one seems to be following it.
I think you just get upset because you throw an opinion out there that has intellectually shaky underpinnings, and then get called on it.

P Brooks | September 14, 2007, 11:07am | #

re: "Tourist Season"

A friend of mine told me not long ago she was going to participate in a "cowboy shoot."
I asked if you need a license to shoot cowboys, or if they are merely classified as "pests." She laughed, but said I might not want to use that one indiscriminately.

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 11:08am | #

tk:

I'm just drawing a distinction between disagreeing over philisophical and political issues and showing a fundamental disrespect for those who don't agree with you.

Even Mr. Bailey seems to be angry that a number of people out there might honestly suspect that eating foods that have been sprayed with chemicals designed to kill animal life might not be a great idea.

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 11:10am | #


Non-trolling got to be too taxing for you, did it?


I rest my case.

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 11:13am | #

And people who walk under ladders have a mortality rate no higher than people who don't.
Yes, but people who walk under ladders are more likely to be involved in hilarious hijinks when someone drops a bucket of paint on them than people who don't.

Episiarch | September 14, 2007, 11:13am | #

Even Mr. Bailey seems to be angry that a number of people out there might honestly suspect that eating foods that have been sprayed with chemicals designed to kill animal life might not be a great idea.

No, Dan, he is angry that people might use this belief, not grounded in any science but merely in "suspicion", to tell other people how they can farm, what they can eat, and so on.

You're not even trying anymore, are you. I understand that it's Friday, but come on.

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 11:15am | #

Matt: I do indeed know Polyface and I've even purchased some of their meats--tasty and tough just like the free range cows we used to grow on our dairy farm.

And the data Polyface presents is fine but does it have any real nutritional impact in a balanced diet? (One other admittedly cynical thought, if the results had turned out differently would Mother Earth News be touting them?)

As I'm sure you know, there are plenty of studies that show largely insignificant differences in nutrition between organic, conventional and genetically enhanced crops. The difference is the organic folks are desperate to hype any study that shows some difference that they can tout as a way to claim superiority and they remain silent when the results don't go their way. Anyway, the link to the Magkos study cited in the Cosmos article is here.

And here's one to broccoli study and another to a pig study--no difference.

And here's a report about a 2007 study showing little significant difference in nutrition between organic and conventional foods.

Dan T.: You post your odd views here frequently and freely, now you insist that "free minds" must all agree with you?

chris | September 14, 2007, 11:16am | #

"Reinmoose: You didn't know that the organic folks want to ban competitors? I had to spell that out?"

I think you got this backwards. Monsanto is the one suing farmers whose crops crosspolinate w/theirs. Small organic growers are about as purely competitive as you can get. Big Ag and Corporate farmers are the ones getting all the money from the state, patenting every seed known to man, etc.

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 11:16am | #

What's wrong with slow motion again? Too bad there wasn't slow motion with thalidomide for pregnant women.

I dunno maybe this.



Lamar | September 14, 2007, 11:19am | #

J sub D: "world hunger" is a political problem, not an agricultural problem.

And Dan T.: tell me again, what's the problem with a magazine providing commentary on the hot issues of the day?

poco | September 14, 2007, 11:21am | #

I'm not keen on paying extra just for the bureaucracy of organic certification, but I would like my veg (esp. those with edible skins) at least to be pesticide-free. Also, IME organic just tastes better -- more strongly like the plant it's meant to be. So organic costing 2x or 3x that of conventional produce probably isn't worth it, but

poco | September 14, 2007, 11:21am | #

...but 50% more? Sure.

Damn server ate the last yummy organic bit of my post

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 11:22am | #

Even Mr. Bailey seems to be angry that a number of people out there might honestly suspect that eating foods that have been sprayed with chemicals designed to kill animal life might not be a great idea.

Bingo.

And come on, Bailey.
Surely opposing ridiculous unscientific regulations is an issue in which some libertarians might be interested?

Again, nobody said anything about regulations. Provide me evidence to the contrary please.

Reinmoose: You didn't know that the organic folks want to ban competitors? I had to spell that out?

Also, what Jennifer said.


First of all, "the organic folks"... hmm, sounds like broad sweeping generalizations about entire groups of people to me. Also, Jennifer's comment was unintelligible.

Would you randomly post something about rabbits' feet or walking under ladders, just to make fun of people for having superstitions? Secondly, that business about a mind not truly being free if its basing decisions on false information is ridiculous. The whole point of libertarianism is that people can make whatever choice they want, regardless of the information, as long as nobody is compelling them to do so and they are not compelling other to do the same.

Your implication that this has anything to do with regulations is disingenuous, and it's entirely similar to the "problem? there's no problem" mentality of global warming, drug use, and the like. I do not refute the claims of the extremely scientifically founded claims of the article you cite, nor do I need to to object to your apparent distain for people who make a choice that you don't agree with.

chris | September 14, 2007, 11:23am | #

i usually find organic vegetables at the farmers market are as cheap or cheaper than conventional produce at the grocery store

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 11:23am | #

*"distain" should be "disdain"

Rob W. | September 14, 2007, 11:26am | #

In regards to the fungicide methyl bromide being phased out, I think that stuff is beyond phased out. I work in a chemistry lab that regularly uses nasty things like phosgene and cyanides, and we weren't able to find a single company willing to sell us methyl bromide for research use, much less to spray on food products. You'd think there would be an exception on the ban for research.

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 11:27am | #

J sub D: "world hunger" is a political problem, not an agricultural problem.

Today, yes. Perhaps I shoud have cited this as well.

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 11:29am | #

Chris: Organic folks do too sue. In Canada so far and are trying to set it up here too.

See again my article on Organic Law for how to fairly resolve this issue.

chris | September 14, 2007, 11:34am | #

everyone sues, but there is no way oragnic growers are more anticompetitive than agribusiness.

Jennifer | September 14, 2007, 11:34am | #

Would you randomly post something about rabbits' feet or walking under ladders, just to make fun of people for having superstitions?

No, but I'd gladly make fun of people who want to mandate the carrying of rabbit's feet and outlaw subladder walking for the Greater Good.

Secondly, that business about a mind not truly being free if its basing decisions on false information is ridiculous.

I'd post a rebuttal but I can't, since I lost my lucky rabbit's foot and dare not post or touch electronics today, lest something horrible happen to me. I'll just huddle on the floor in the corner, whimpering in fear and enjoying my wonderful freedom. My mind is in no prison, and fuck any rationalist bastard who says it is.

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 11:37am | #

Reinmoose: With all due respect-I don't care if you buy organic or not, just so long as you are not doing it out of scientific ignorance sustained by the folks who promote organic foods like the Organic Consumers Association.

For another take on the OCA look at activistcash here.

Michael Pack | September 14, 2007, 11:38am | #

let's face it.Primitive farming is not going to feed the country.Much less the world.Not to mention the fact that much less land is used in the modern type.Much of the forest in this country exist due to this wise use of land.

Ron Bailey | September 14, 2007, 11:39am | #

Chris: I didn't say organic folks were "anticompetitive." I said they wanted to ban their competitors.

Just in any case someone has some doubts, I'm against ALL agricultural subsidies period.

grumpy realist | September 14, 2007, 11:40am | #

1. Mad cow disease? One reason why organic meat is now big in Japan
2. There's one brand of eggs from vegetarian-fed free-range chickens that just tastes better to me. So I'm willing to pay the extra $1.00/pack every now and then. Would I be willing to pay extra for an egg which was shown to carry more omega-3 oils in the yolk? Yes I would.

3. Hey, it's MY food choices. I've found organic tomatoes to consistently be better tasting and more ripe than those horrible plasticated monstrosities one finds in the standard grocery store. (Normal tomatoes would probably taste just as good if they picked them when they were ripe as opposed to when green and then shipping them around the country under nitrogen gas, but I don't have that option.) Organic farmers, in general, seem to pick veggies when they are RIPE, not GREEN, which probably accounts for most of the taste benefits....

4. So when did Libertarianism turn into making fun of people's free choices?

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 11:44am | #

I don't buy organic food. I don't agree with the part of the article about pesticides, but I largely agree with the rest of the findings.

I fail to see how this has anything to do with the other points I've made, other than to reduce whatever assumptions people have about my position on the matter just because I think threads specifically designed to make fun of people for making a choice that's contrary to what seems rational by the evidence presented are scummy.

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 11:48am | #

So when did Libertarianism turn into making fun of people's free choices?

I've always figured it was a core principle. ;-)

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 11:49am | #

poco

Pesticide residues are easily washed off fruit and vegetables. The likelihood of any significant amont remaining is nil.

Read Virginia Postrel's interview with Bruce Ames (Reason,November 1994).

Just curious, is there anyone here who doesn't realize you have to wash fruit and vegetables before preparing or consuming? Regardless of the source.

Freshness and handling have more influence on flavor and appeal than method of farming.

A conventionally grown tomato picked this morning from my own garden (or yesterday and bought a a farmers market) will taste better that an organically grown tomato picked last week and shipped across the country.

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 11:51am | #

And if we didn't make of stupid people, what would Brittany and Paris do with their spare time?

Matt | September 14, 2007, 11:52am | #

Hey Ron, thanks for the other links.

Yea, Mother Earth News certainly has its agenda, and cherry picks its studies like most partisan outfits.

And Organic farming isnt magic. Any benefits ought to be testable by science.

Common sense is often counter-intuitive. Nonetheless its hard for me to shake certain views:

eating less pesticides is healthier than eating more

eating an animal that eats a healthy diet is healthier than eating an animal that does not.

These views may not prove to be true, but they are certainly more appetizing and I will pay an extra few dollars to live by them. And, as you know, if we'd end the grain subsidies in this country we'd all be paying a little more (for most meats, at least) anyway.

group mentality goon | September 14, 2007, 11:57am | #

Matt -
ur stupid. lolz.

eating less pesticides is healthier than eating more

eating an animal that eats a healthy diet is healthier than eating an animal that does not.


clearly, because you make this choice, you want to impose regulations on all of us and make us all eat less pesticides and animals with your supposedly "healthy" diet.

Scop | September 14, 2007, 11:59am | #

Heated in here, isn't it?

I like the idea of organic (even though my high school chem teacher would point out that malathion, DDT, and dioxin are all organic, but I digress). I like the idea of a fmaily farm, where the inhabitants are "in tune" with nature. I like the idea of the village community where everyone does an honest day's work--you know, the blacksmith, the cooper, the miller, the farmer, the priest, the tailor, the barman, the taverner, the brewer, the thatcher, the carpenter, and so forth.

I love these ideas. I admit I love going to Renaissance fairs where I can live for a few hours in such a fantasy. But my fantasy never includes dead babies, tooth decay, plague, ricketts, mental retardation due to preventable illnesses, vitamin deficiencies, and food poisoning. (You know, one theory about the Salem witch trials is that the little girls who made most of the accusations were having seizures due to a Rye fungus.)

I, and many other people, long for the uncomplicated world of simple farmers, and small, happy communities. Of course, they never really existed. We can easily fantasize about the good touch-feely stuff, the organic farming, the life connected to the land; it's a little harder to remember the death and disease and the passionate hope of all those involved in tilling the soil to escape.

"Organic" feels good, emotionally. But synthetics--nasty chemicals!--feed people. Irradiation saves lives. Technology offers no appeal to the heart. But it will keep your teeth intact, your liver clean, your muscles disease-free, and your stomach full.

If I had a point, it would be this: let the fantasy of living off the "organic" land remain in fairy tales and Renaissance fairs, and feed your children food grown with synthetic pesticides and fertilizers, and irradiated after harvest. And thank God or human ingenuity that we no longer have to grow our food in piles of shit while praying for rain.

Michael Pack | September 14, 2007, 12:01pm | #

Reinmoose,I think the problems develop when 'organic' producers want labels touting their 'benefits' and regulating what can be called organic.They had to change the meaning of the word to fit their view of how crops should be raised and insure market share..The amount of fruits and vegetables in stores during the off season is a modern phenomenon.Whether your eating modern or primitively grown produce you have a much healthier diet than before.

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 12:01pm | #

Just to be clear.

I have no problem with people who prefer the taste of tomatoes or zuchini from some local farmer at their local market because in fact they are probably right. It very likely does taste better and it likely has higher nutrient levels*.

My problem is with those who tell me straight faced that they eat organic food because it has no chemicals (what it's pure spiritual matter or something?) and is healthier. Those people deserve to be laughed at.

*Of course considering how loaded with nutrients fruit and vegetables are the slight losses in nutrients due to lack of freshness are not really that significant. On the other hand the flavor loss is.

Vermont Gun Owner | September 14, 2007, 12:02pm | #

My experience with organic vegetables and fruits is somewhat limited. However, having grown up on a dairy farm that has operated both conventionally and (in the past 3 years) organically, I can say that with organic milk you are getting ripped off. The only difference is that the milk you are getting is coming from warted, pink-eye infested cows and the farmer gets paid extra for the milk.

Oh, and the hay the cows eat can only be gathered by tractors that have been thoroughly checked for oil leaks.

chris | September 14, 2007, 12:03pm | #

yall really think organic growers are using primitive or medieval methods? there is an huge body of literature devoted to increasing soil fertility and production using organic methods.

Matt | September 14, 2007, 12:08pm | #

>>>clearly, because you make this choice, you want to impose regulations on all of us and make us all eat less pesticides and animals with your supposedly "healthy" diet.

Goon,
against my better judgement I respond. Sarcasm, troll, or malnourished brain functionality?

the day the USDA got involved with Organic certification was a dark one for organic foods, IMO. End subsidies, and no special treatment for any food preferences by the feds, I say.

chris | September 14, 2007, 12:08pm | #

vermont is totally right. there is a difference farmers (and corporations) that grow organic for a better return and those that have a more holistic view of farming who go above and beyond organic standards.

Scop | September 14, 2007, 12:10pm | #

chris,

In case you're referring to my lengthy diatribe about medievalism, I do not deny that organic farmers do a hell of a lot of work and research to making their practices better. If I gave the impression that I consider modern organic farming medieval, then I apologize.

I just consider the impulse to be an organic consumer a rather Romantic fantasy. That was what I was trying to convey in that unforgiveably long post.

ed | September 14, 2007, 12:10pm | #

Nice try, Ron, but as Organic Foods is a religion, it is exempt from logic and science.

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 12:13pm | #

Michael Pack -
I agree. (reitterating that nothing of the sort was mentioned in the above article, *ahem*)
Independent organic labels do exist, as do ones that indicate that the food was farmed by a family owned farm (which, of course, could mean multi-million dollar farms, but I digress), as do humane labels. The bigger problem is the USDA's insistence that it needs to regulate this. If they'd just be like "bugger off," the independent labels would replace them.

dhex | September 14, 2007, 12:14pm | #

4. So when did Libertarianism turn into making fun of people's free choices?

now while the conservatarian legions who have come to hit and run in the past year or so are big on this kind of thing, no one complains when we're ripping into creationists who want to push xyz or some other outre group that has few, if any, detractors.

we generally only notice this sort of thing when our own ox is being gored. but hit and run and reason have always had a playful/mean edge (i.e. the legendary santorum's daughter thread) and if nothing else we can all agree organic foods is a salient topic.

Scop | September 14, 2007, 12:15pm | #

and I misspelled "family"

I'm going to a synthetic, irradiated hell for that.

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 12:17pm | #

End subsidies, and no special treatment for any food preferences by the feds, I say.

I concur wholeheartedly.

Doctor Duck | September 14, 2007, 12:17pm | #

people who walk under ladders have a mortality rate no higher than people who don't.

Whoa. This is going to save me a lot of time. Thanks!

Douglas Gray | September 14, 2007, 12:17pm | #

The issue is muddled because the concepts "organic" and "conventional" are not scientifically precise. Mr. Bailey rightly points out that produce that is fresher and which comes from the healthiest plants is generally the best tasting and most nutritious, whether it be "organic" or "conventionally" grown.

There is nothing magical about locally grown produce, unless it is fresher. With fruits especially, it is freshness and ripeness which count, not so much how it is grown

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 12:18pm | #

Another problem with Mr. Bailey's article is that he would have you believe that because he read in one journal that there is no scientific reason to think that organic foods are better for you, it must be gospel.

But yet a simple visit to the organic food wikipedia page puts that notion to rest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food

group mentality goon | September 14, 2007, 12:18pm | #

It's ok Matt. It's all sarcasm. Though I admit, it doesn't sound that far off base from some of the serious comments above, does it?
I should work harder to make it more obvious.

Pavel | September 14, 2007, 12:18pm | #

Ha! Idiots bought into the organic food and wholefoods took it right to the bank! I should've thought of that...

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 12:20pm | #

End subsidies, and no special treatment for any food preferences by the feds, I say.

I concur wholeheartedly.


Moi aussi
(or for some of you, Ich auch).

J sub D | September 14, 2007, 12:21pm | #

we generally only notice this sort of thing when our own ox is being gored. but hit and run and reason have always had a playful/mean edge (i.e. the legendary santorum's daughter thread) and if nothing else we can all agree organic foods is a salient topic.

Along those lines, a self deprecating sense of humor makes reading/posting H&R much less upsetting. Gore my ox, I can takde it.

tk | September 14, 2007, 12:26pm | #

DHEX -

Somehow I missed out on the "legendary santorum's daughter thread".
Do you have idea if there is someway to access it?
I'd love to read it.

Jake Boone | September 14, 2007, 12:34pm | #

tk -

Here you go!

de stijl | September 14, 2007, 12:37pm | #

Hmm... Salty ham tears...

Shilly McShilster | September 14, 2007, 12:37pm | #

Oh wait, Ronald Bailey? With the Competitive Enterprise Institute? The CEI where the Washingon Post noted that "the most generous sponsors" of their 2005 annual dinner were "the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Exxon Mobil, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, and Pfizer. Other contributors included General Motors, the American Petroleum Institute, the American Plastics Council, the Chlorine Chemistry Council and Arch Coal."


Yup. Pure reason and no bias there! You just really care about the environment and our health!

Michael Pack | September 14, 2007, 12:41pm | #

I don't think fruits and vegetables get subsidies.That's mostly grain,cotton and sugar and should be stopped.Organic labeling is a farce.With out a label from the USDA and studies trumpeting how much better they are for you you just have a more expensive carrot.

Jake Boone | September 14, 2007, 12:45pm | #

Okay, Shilly, what list of donors would be acceptable to you, precisely? You think General Motors and Exxon Mobil really have a beef against organic farmers? Why?

You act like you think you've made some sort of telling point here, but I don't think you have. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the Captain Planet theory of business ("Corporations are spending millions of dollars to design a machine that runs on babies and topsoil and emits carbon monoxide and E. coli!").

tk | September 14, 2007, 12:46pm | #

Jack Boone -

Thank you. Should I read it now, or wait till after I get back from happy Hours...?

Paul | September 14, 2007, 12:48pm | #

Thank god we can all make fun of people who make choices about which foods to eat based on scientific findings presented in an Australian popular science magazine.

Like our politicians make policy choices about global warming?

sixstring | September 14, 2007, 12:49pm | #

"I brought home some 'organic' pita bread from Trader Joe's once. When I was unpacking the bag, I noticed mold growing on it."

Yeah, you gotta be quick with that stuff. Half-life is about 6 minutes. I think they run it through dirty bathwater before they put it in the bag because you can watch the mold bloom during your ride home.

Jake Boone | September 14, 2007, 12:52pm | #

The comedy cannot be enhanced by mere alcohol. Though it's an astoundingly long thread (someone on a righty site linked to it, and it was swarmed by outraged Reds), so you might have to skip happy hour to read the whole thing.

matt | September 14, 2007, 1:04pm | #

hmmm, I thought organic was supposed to mean that it was grown without pesticides and only with using things like say, spiders that eat the pests? or is nothing grown without?

I thought that was a requirement of organic food

P Brooks | September 14, 2007, 1:05pm | #

"There is nothing magical about locally grown produce...."

Tell that to your friendly neighborhood "localvore."

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 1:08pm | #

"There is nothing magical about locally grown produce."

Absolutely correct. Locally grown produce is generally fresher, healthier and tastier. There's really no magic involved.

Reinmoose | September 14, 2007, 1:08pm | #

Tell that to your friendly neighborhood "localvore."

*shudders* It's a chilling thought to think that that trend is only just beginning.

john | September 14, 2007, 1:08pm | #

I never thought the argument about organics was the nutrition value. I thought it was the lack of chemicals and poisons that made people want organic. silly me.

PBrazelton | September 14, 2007, 1:09pm | #

Here we go again...

Modern organic farming is nothing like the characterizations most of you are ignorantly rattling off. It's not sticking seeds in piles of steaming shit, living in a mud shack while praying for rain. Organic farming today is based on an enormous amount of research (yes, scientific) that is currently ongoing. And for every study that a pop-sci author can rattle off to prove that toxins are good for you, your children and society, there's another that says quite the opposite.

My take on this? I believe technology is an awesome way to compliment and explain natural phenomena. It is not very good a supplanting natural systems. If I'm going to vote with my dollars, I'll vote on a system that leverages several million years of adaptations over one that's got a few decades of industry-biased research.

Remember, many pesticides have been banned over the years because of proven harm to humans and surrounding ecosystems (here). This means that whatever biocide du jour may be rated as fine today and proven lethal tomorrow. Pesticides make it to market with a few years of study, and years after that - oops! Sorry about all of those birth defects.

Seriously, I understand the lust for efficiency, but you're going to count on a product created by a handful of people and tested by a magnificently ineffective bureaucracy that you eat? Oh, but they say it's good for you, this time it's different, look at all of these studies run by a department larded with industry names, etc.

Gullible much?

Mike Laursen | September 14, 2007, 1:13pm | #

I thought organic was supposed to mean...

The meaning of "organic" is kinda fuzzy.

PBrazelton | September 14, 2007, 1:18pm | #

Jake Boone,

The connection between oil companies and industrial agriculture is closer than you would think. Not saying anything about your point, only that there is such a connection.

Matt,

There is such a class of pesticide known as 'organic'. These are usually toxins of biological origin (as opposed to lab) that theoretically degrade before hitting your mouth. Using predator species (everything from nematodes to bacilli to arthropods) is part of a practice called integrated pest management. These are two different practices, though both are commonly used in organic operations.

libertarians | September 14, 2007, 1:20pm | #

So when did Libertarianism turn into making fun of people's free choices?

Just a reminder. The word "Libertarianism" with a capital L refers to the Libertarian Party. The word "libertarianism" with a lower-case L refers to a broader political philosophy.

john | September 14, 2007, 1:23pm | #

I also find it curious that these harmless pesticides have to be handled by farmers wearing what looks to be MOPP gear. If it is so harmless whats with all the gas masks and protective covering?

Anonymous | September 14, 2007, 1:26pm | #

Why were no sources of any of these studies or experts cited?
This is a wonderful piece of writing except for the fact that the author didn't provide the information for intelligent individuals to follow up on whether or not any of it is even true.

Perhaps the author is unconcerned about the quality of his writing or actually informing the public, but there are a couple of flaws in this article that do nothing other than diminish the credibility of the author, such as:

- Referring to "studies" and "scientists" which are not named specifically, giving no method for the reader to follow up and verify the claim.

- Writing about the Agricultural Health Study as though it were completed and had reached a conclusion; this study is on-going to this day. To refer to the findings of it without mentioning this fact is premature.

I hope the author will take more time to write quality, informative material in the future instead of wasting the readers' time with what I consider to be only a small amount better than yellow journalism; citing specific sources and empowering the reader to follow up on the information within the article is what separates a mediocre author (Mr. Bailey) from a dedicated, serious journalist.

Carson | September 14, 2007, 1:30pm | #

So even if the organic label is full of crap, literally and metaphorically, can't we take something away from it and still apply it to normal production methods?

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 1:33pm | #

"I also find it curious that these harmless pesticides have to be handled by farmers wearing what looks to be MOPP gear."

The article above says that testing farm workers for health problems resulting from pesticides is OK because they are exposed to them more. Guess not. I posted this concern way above, and nobody gave a damn.

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 1:35pm | #

I thought it was the lack of chemicals...
Ah, yes, no chemicals. Organic foods are made of pure heavenly spirit matter.

James | September 14, 2007, 1:37pm | #

Reason proves once again that there is no fringe belief (global warming is a hoax, organic food is a scam, religion is a disease, the "invisible hand of the market" can solve all our problems, etc) that they won't back, given enough $$$.

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 1:38pm | #

Well, it started out as a rather scientific debate, but it has now turned into "I hate your hippie lifestyle" and "I hate your uptight white lower-middle class fantasy lifestyle."

Tacos mmm... | September 14, 2007, 1:42pm | #

The article above says that testing farm workers for health problems resulting from pesticides is OK because they are exposed to them more. Guess not. I posted this concern way above, and nobody gave a damn.
This is a difference between acute toxicity and long-term cancer risk.

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 1:43pm | #

Yes, pesticides are poisonous. Wouldn't be much good if they weren't, would they?

The workers wear suits because they are handling huge quantities in high concentrations. There are many things besides pesticides that people take precautions for.

The pesticides are the spread over large areas. Only tiny amounts of residues remain (if any) on the surfaces when the produce is harvested.

Just wash your produce and anything harmful on the skin is gone.

You should do that with any produce whether it's "organic" or "conventional".

Doesn't matter. They'll both have nasty residues on them.

JW | September 14, 2007, 1:44pm | #

Remember, many pesticides have been banned over the years because of proven harm to humans and surrounding ecosystems (here). This means that whatever biocide du jour may be rated as fine today and proven lethal tomorrow. Pesticides make it to market with a few years of study, and years after that - oops! Sorry about all of those birth defects.

Whoa there! A little paranoia is good thing, so more must be better?

And for every study that a pop-sci author can rattle off to prove that toxins are good for you, your children and society, there's another that says quite the opposite.

Yet we continue to be healthier overall and live longer than our parents. Certain cancer rates are falling and years of remission lengthen. (psst, that might be because of [shudder] chemicals.) Funny that.

Be happy overpaying for and eating your organic foods. We will be simultaniously happy for you, while our bank accounts fatten from the savings from not eating it and the poor will continue to enjoy very cheap and plentiful non-organic food.

Isaac Bartram | September 14, 2007, 1:45pm | #

Yes, James, I got millions for my comments.

Whoops, no I didn't. Or maybe I would if I wrote any of those things.

Or maybe not.

Mike Laursen | September 14, 2007, 1:45pm | #

So even if the organic label is full of crap, literally and metaphorically, can't we take something away from it and still apply it to normal production methods?

Sure. There's a whole spectrum of possible farming practices between hippy organic farming and better-living-through-chemicals farming brought to you by Monsanto.

Paul | September 14, 2007, 1:48pm | #

Lamar:

"I hate your hippie lifestyle"

What are you talking about? I love your hippie lifestyle!!!

Jodeo | September 14, 2007, 1:48pm | #

OK, here's the deal:

1. Everyone is going to die, including you.
2. Pick the disease you'd prefer to die from.
3. Eat accordingly.
4. And wear fresh underwear, JUST IN CASE you don't live long enough to die from a good old fashioned disease.

Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 1:50pm | #

Hopefully this whipping will prevent Mr. Bailey from writing on this topic for at least a week or two.

But I doubt it.

GILMORE | September 14, 2007, 1:53pm | #

Modern organic farming is nothing like the characterizations most of you are ignorantly rattling off...

Uh, right.

I've written about Organic foods for 10+ years, and had been coming to exactly the same point over and over again. You think this is wrong, call up Katherine DeMatteo at the US Organic Trade Association and ask for her rebuttal. She doesnt have one. The industry relies on perception, not reality. The truth is that large scale organic farming (which is the bulk of what you see in stores) is only nominally different than 'industrial' agriculture. The pesticide scare ignores the fact that we've got 100yrs of experience working with these things, and no, the 'birth defects' angle is bullshit. The # of people harmed by synthetics is actually less than people harmed by opportunistic contamination in products that have poor 'natural' resistance

Paul | September 14, 2007, 1:54pm | #

Jodeo:

4. And wear fresh underwear, JUST IN CASE you don't live long enough to die from a good old fashioned disease.

You've presented a Catch-22. Good old fashioned diseases don't let you live very long.

Scop | September 14, 2007, 1:56pm | #

No. Organic is code for "grown in shit."

That's what it means, these days. That's ALL it means.

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 1:58pm | #

"This is a difference between acute toxicity and long-term cancer risk."

Exactly. There is also the issue of hormones, which nobody will touch. I don't know the arguments for either side, really, but "hormone free" is plastered on the side of organic products all the time.

Gilmore: I don't think you mean "nominally" different. I think you meant to use a different word. Nominally means in name only.

GILMORE | September 14, 2007, 1:58pm | #

Anonymous | September 14, 2007, 1:26pm | #

Why were no sources of any of these studies or experts cited?


Minor irony alert.

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 1:59pm | #

GILMORE: Sounds like a vendetta. A blood feud.

GILMORE | September 14, 2007, 1:59pm | #



Gilmore: I don't think you mean "nominally" different. I think you meant to use a different word. Nominally means in name only.


No, thats more or less what i meant - that in practice, it has little impact on the environment, human health, or economic benefit to justify the difference. Is that clearer?

GILMORE | September 14, 2007, 2:00pm | #

Vendetta! Vendetta!!

GILMORE | September 14, 2007, 2:06pm | #

FYI - the exception to the point here is Dairy and Meat, both of which can be vastly healthier when organic...

and also mucho expensivo

Lamar | September 14, 2007, 2:08pm | #

Oh boy. I'm confused now.

I don't buy organic because I don't want to be seen as one of those hippies, but I don't like the idea of hormones coursing through my food. I guess that only applies to meat and dairy? Expensive? Ah, that's for people who don't work their asses off to worry about.

Minor irony alert was muy funny.

ndelta | September 14, 2007, 2:16pm | #

"Dan T. | September 14, 2007, 12:18pm | #
Another problem with Mr. Bailey's article is that he would have you believe that because he read in one journal that there is no scientific reason to think that organic foods are better for you, it must be gospel.

But yet a simple visit to the organic food wikipedia page puts that notion to rest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food"

Interesting. I visited this wiki page and found this under the Nutritional heading:

"Nutritional value

Some studies have shown higher nutrient levels in organic fruit and vegetables compared with conventionally grown. However, due to the difficulty with designing such experiments, the evidence is not considered conclusive.[5]

Most studies show that organic food is better for you because it lacks harmful dyes and hormones[citation needed], however, some studies — including a 2002 meta-analysis, which is a review of all past studies on the subject — found no proof that organic food offers greater nutritional values, more consumer safety or any distinguisable differenc