In this case, I won't say "rest in peace."
Slobodan Milosevic Is Dead
Comments to "Slobodan Milosevic Is Dead":
happyjuggler0 | March 11, 2006, 11:48am | #
Who wants to take bets on whether or not it was natural causes? Not moi.Jack Bauer | March 11, 2006, 12:01pm | #
I want fingerprints and DNA from the corpse. We need to verify that this wasn't just a body double. The last time I left a Balkan butcher for dead, two years later he turned up in a secret prison, masterminding an assassination plot.Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go mourn. I lost every man on my team. Well, I think I did. There's one that I'm pretty sure died....I'd better check on that.
Isaac Bartram | March 11, 2006, 12:01pm | #
Who wants to take bets on whether or not it was natural causes?Lets see, a 64-yr-old man with high blood presure, heart disease and a history of heavy drinking and smoking and who's going through an extremely stressfull event dies. Yeah, I immediately suspect foul play.
Nevertheless the butcher does have a small folowing in Serbia who will, no doubt, accept any and all conspiracy theories.
can we chuck his corpse in the same drainage ditch as the one where we threw arafat?
I think we should just stick a bone up his ass and let the dogs drag him off.
eric mattingly | March 11, 2006, 12:38pm | #
MSN reported the doctors named it natural causes. I thought he killed himself, though, in light of his colleague's death last week.Stephen Macklin | March 11, 2006, 2:20pm | #
Damn.I had six years and five moths in the office pool for how long his trial would last.
Another $5 wasted.
Larry Edelstein | March 11, 2006, 2:54pm | #
His uncle, too.Any bets whether Saddam will die too before his trial comes to an end?
Ken Shultz | March 11, 2006, 3:57pm | #
This is the kind of guy that really makes me wanna believe in an eternal, fiery hell.Deus ex Machina | March 11, 2006, 4:45pm | #
Lets see, a 64-yr-old man with high blood presure, heart disease and a history of heavy drinking and smoking and who's going through an extremely stressfull event dies. Yeah, I immediately suspect foul play.It's not the facts that are in dispute. It's whether his (not insubstantial) supporters will believe them—and looking at how Slobo has been able to manipulate the farce of a Hague trial, convincing them of it won't be an easy task. Despite being a corrupt Communist and an opportunistic nationalist, he's become a martyr to both.
How much was spent on this guy's trial and prison-life, etc...? Should have shot him in the head years ago and given me the money
joshua corning | March 11, 2006, 5:40pm | #
I think i need to buy a round of drinks to celebrate.you guys should do the same.
joe | March 11, 2006, 6:19pm | #
tuemmler,"Any bets whether Saddam will die too before his trial comes to an end?"
I'm sure they'll declare the trial over before shooting him.
Isaac Bartram | March 11, 2006, 6:59pm | #
It's not the facts that are in dispute. It's whether his (not insubstantial) supporters will believe them...Hence my second paragaph.
I hope that the talking heads interviewd this AM and on the Beeb and NPR are correct in assessing his remaining support at rather low numbers. I somehow doubt that mourning will be widespread either in or out of Serbia.
Eddy | March 11, 2006, 8:13pm | #
Who wants to take bets on whether or not it was natural causes?Technically, fugu liver is natural, but you didn't hear it from me.
richard mcenroe | March 11, 2006, 9:41pm | #
I say we try the corpse. Let's get all the crimes in the record.Major John | March 11, 2006, 10:13pm | #
I, for one, am raising a nice glass of Chimay Gran Reserve to celebrate Satan acquiring his new footstool. Buh Bye you butchering bastard.Madscribe | March 11, 2006, 10:24pm | #
Any bets whether Saddam will die too before his trial comes to an end?I'll take you up on that. However, I betting dollars to donuts that Bin Laden is going to outlast Bush the way Khomeini was able to laugh off Jimmy Carter when Reagan got sworn in ...
dougf | March 11, 2006, 10:44pm | #
I have become a firm believer in the Romanian Solution.Granted I thought at the time that the demise of NICOLAE CEAUSESCU was merely interesting. Romania was far away and not that important, and these things happen, don't you know.
After seeing how Europe 'handled' Milosevic, I now realise that the Romanians were trying to show the world how it should be done.
FOUR YEARS of farce and Slobbo ends up 'winning' after all that. Had he simply been taken out and shot, he would now be not even a footnote.
This is supposedly 'justice'. Could've fooled me.
Romania was right. There are 'some' cancers which can only be excised by immediate action. I will however take bets that no-one will take the 'correct' conclusions from this ridiculous display. Wouldn't want to be uncivilised and all that.
So, Slob-Ass-Son-of-Bitch is dead. It isn't much, but it's a start, I guess.
Can't a man make a mistake? Slobo was actually a sweet guy once you got to know him. I mourn his passing, as do all people of good spirit.
Sephiroth | March 11, 2006, 11:53pm | #
While Milosevic was, doubtless, a absolutely horrific character the true nightmare of the late 1990's was the relevation of how easily the news media and government could whip the population into a frenzy of hatred over a completely manufactured enemy. All of Milosevic's atrocities pale in comparision to a lethal combination of ignorance and .It's a good time now to ask a few hard questions that were not asked at the time: why did we never drop daisy cutters on Israel in response to their ethnic cleansing in Palestine? Why was Turkey, a state that at the time was finishing up a bloody, genocidal war against their Kurds (fully sponsered by the US and EU, and which led to the deaths of 50000 innocent civilians) allowed to participate in the campaign? Should not they have been bombed as well by the logic of the warhhawks? And Egypt, and Iran, and Algeria, and Russia, and almost everyone else in the Third World for that matter?
My only solace vis-a-vis this insanity is that the period that ran roughly from 1994 to 2004 during which Westerners thought it their duty to police the "savages" is coming to abrupt close. It's none to soon.
Sephiroth | March 11, 2006, 11:54pm | #
End of first paragraph:"lethal combination of ignorance and war mania."
Lost Chord | March 12, 2006, 12:19am | #
No, no, no, no,He's outside looking in.
Maybe if the savages would leave us alone we wouldn't have to "police" them...
mm | March 12, 2006, 12:54am | #
can we drop daisy cutters on the palestinians too?and, hands off Milosevic, you dirty, corpse-fucking libertarians! (i don't care if it is a hate-fuck!)
mediageek | March 12, 2006, 2:12am | #
I'm going to quote a fellow on another internet forum who goes by the handle of Standing Wolf here."No tyrant should ever die of natural causes."
Ayn_Randian | March 12, 2006, 3:02am | #
Big surprise. A great thing happens, and someone's just gotta drag Israel into it. Go to hell, Sephiroth.Akira MacKenzie | March 12, 2006, 3:08am | #
A stupid comment from my father today regarding Slobodan: "Bill Clinton sent troops to keep Milosevic from killing the muslims and they pass us back with 9-11! Slobdan had the right idea!"Akira MacKenzie | March 12, 2006, 3:11am | #
Edit: ...and they pay us back...Sep you are as always, a moron. If the Israelis decided to "ethnically cleanse", the Palistinians, that part of the world would be a lot quieter by now. God some people really do need to be removed from the gene pool before they breed.
Sephiroth | March 12, 2006, 3:59am | #
Apparently there's some raw nerves on this board.Brad:
I'm "always" a moron? That's really quite funny; I've posted two comments on Hit and Run before today - one in 2002 (under another name) and another back in Mar 2004 (under Sephiroth, which was in a day old post that no one read). It's touching that you remember me back from time immemorial. Also, you might want to read about the history of Palestine (1945-1949) before you repeat the ludicrous claim that Israel never ethnically cleansed the Palestinians. Even most Israeli historians now admit as much, and not just the "New Historians" either...
My point, again, was fairly simple yet everyone seems to have missed it completely. Why was the US and EU justified in whole-heartedly supporting (for example) Turkey which from 1984-1999 murdered 50000 innocent Kurds whose only crime was to desire to speak their own language? Why is it morally proper to back Ancyra's "anti-terror" campaign against the PKK freedom fighters yet, at the same time, a far less murderous anti-terror operation in Kosovo is met with a hail of American and European bombs?
If we ever want this country to have something relatively close to a sane foreign policy, these are exactly the sort of questions we should be asking of our "leaders."
wazoo | March 12, 2006, 4:49am | #
Actually I really would just have liked seeing Clinton in the witness box being asked by Slobo about his bombing of that Yugoslav TV station. Shame it'll never happen now.Eric the .5b | March 12, 2006, 7:02am | #
After seeing how Europe 'handled' Milosevic, I now realise that the Romanians were trying to show the world how it should be done.The problem being that Milosevic wasn't a dictator, he was elected - and he didn't leave office by being dragged into the street, but by losing an election. And his crimes were (and apparently still are) somewhat popular with his countrymen.
The Serbians never had a reason to "go Romanian" on Milosevic.
Jon Lester | March 12, 2006, 8:12am | #
I think a man with his afflictions would feel funny close to the end because of what's in his blood, and that would be the whole reason why he thought he was being poisoned.Mike Laursen | March 12, 2006, 12:56pm | #
This just in: Slobodan Milosevic is still dead.kwais | March 12, 2006, 2:18pm | #
Sepiroth,Are you saying that all the war atrocities by the Serbs were not real, or that they weren't a big deal? Was it all propaganda? I read quite a bit about the ethnic cleansing and the war crimes. (Back when the republicans were against war and the Dems were all about it)
I remember being really pissed off at the Serbs. I think to Arm the Bosnians would have been the better solution, but the Clintons and the EU types not being big friends of the 2nd Ammendment and all that wasn't going to fly.
I remember reading about UN and EU troops standing by watching massacres and doing nothing because their ROE forbade them.
I know two guys who watched while some French troops did nothing even as two of their comerades were getting shot at.
My first choice would be to arm those moslems and let them fight for themselves, and maybe offer them some help if they promise not to get help from Iran or Osama et al.
But the second choice has to be to help them. You cannot stand by as you have taken away someones ability to defend themselves and watch a whole population get massacred. That is insane.
Sep, tell me where I am wrong!
Ken Shultz | March 12, 2006, 5:56pm | #
...a far less murderous anti-terror operation in Kosovo is met with a hail of American and European bombs?If we ever want this country to have something relatively close to a sane foreign policy, these are exactly the sort of questions we should be asking of our "leaders."
Posting a comment complaining of inconsistency and then using scare quotes so just begs for condescension. ...or maybe it was simply a typing error?
...Surely, you didn't mean to put scare quotes around "leaders" and then leave "anti-terror operation" undecorated so?
I had already adorned "anti-terror operation" with scare quotes once in the line directly above the one who quoted; it was pointless to do so again.
Ken Shultz | March 12, 2006, 10:44pm | #
I'm glad to hear you didn't mean to leave the scare quotes off that second use, Sephiroth.What exactly did you mean when you said that the United States "whole-heartedly" supported Turkey?
I won't claim any expertise on Turkish persecution of the PKK or the Kurdish people in general, but, for purposes of equivalence, was the relationship between the United States and Turkey really comparable to the relationship between Milosovich and what happened in Kosovo? One of those relationships seems direct to me--can you guess which one?
...and isn't it ironic that the United States may have been the greatest thing that ever happened to Kurdish nationalism?
The Real Bill | March 13, 2006, 2:12am | #
Sephiroth:Which group has killed more of the other, Arabs or Jews?
The Real Bill | March 13, 2006, 2:19am | #
As for Slobo, I'm damn glad he's dead. The Euros wouldn't have executed him anyway; he would have died in prison as he did.It disgusted me that the West prevented the Bosnians from defending themselves. Because of the weapons embargo, I supported the military action against Serbia. Unfortunately, it took Clinton years to do it. Anyone who supported the embargo and was against the war against Serbia is an immoral POS.
i would love to see an honest debate on whether libertarians can support a "just war" to stop genocide or mass murder, like both milosevic and saddam perpetrated. instead we get apologists for tyrants (not just for slobo...a recent reason article actually said saddam stopped killing in 1991 so thus really wasn't so bad), or the tired old argument that "country B also did bad things so we have no right to go to war against country A." for those who believe saddam's killing of 500,000 was a horrific evil, the libertarians' knee-jerk anti-war rhetoric sounds morally bankrupt, in spite of the stupidity of the bush war effort itself. with libertarians sounding like noam chomsky or michael moore, how can i support them?
| March 13, 2006, 12:19pm | #
Boy, that's some real deep thinking there, jimmy.Mira & Nina Toronto | March 14, 2006, 6:48pm | #
OK FIRST OF ALL YOUR NOT SERBIAN TO COMMENT OR UNDERSTANDSECOND OF ALL HES THE ONE WHO PROTECTED SERBIAN PEOPLE AND THE REST OF THEM DIDN'T AND SERBIANS LIVED BETTER WHEN HE WAS IN CHARGE.
SO PLEASE SHUT UP AND DONT GO RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS OFF BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW NOTHING. YOU GUYS R LIERS AGAINST HIM THE WHOLE MEDIA.
"I think i need to buy a round of drinks to celebrate.
you guys should do the same.
Comment by: joshua corning at March 11, 2006 05:40 PM"
I THINK YOU SHOULD GET A LIFE =)
"In this case, I won't say "rest in peace."
Posted by Jesse Walker at March 11, 2006 10:46 AM "
YOU ARE CANADIAN YOU ARE NO ONE TO SAY WHO SHOULD REST IN PEACE AND WHO SHOUDN'T THATS VERY BAD AND GOD IS WATCHING YOU , FOOL.
SO IN CONCLUSION KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT CAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON...
DAMN STUPID PEOPLE THESE DAYS..
REST IN PEACE SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC