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The Presidential Candidate Ranking Game -- Who is Worse?

While sharing cocktails with some delightful Reasonoids at the Happy Hour at The Big Hunt earlier this month, I initiated a little game of ranking presidential candidates. I began by saying that I would have to vote for Hillary Clinton if Mike Huckabee were the Republican presidential candidate. On further reflection, I added that I would have to vote for Mike Huckabee if John Edwards were the Democratic candidate. So my short ranking is that Edwards is worse than Huckabee who is worse than Clinton. On further consideration (and some cocktails later), I began to wonder if reason needs a foreign correspondent for the next four years or so.

I invite Hit & Run readers to play this little dispiriting ranking game among themselves.

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Comments to "The Presidential Candidate Ranking Game -- Who is Worse?":

Taktix® | January 23, 2008, 11:22am | #

I think I'd vote Edwards over Huckabee. A religious nutjob would be able to push through more legislation than a socialist nutjob.

sage | January 23, 2008, 11:23am | #

With enough cocktails, you might start talking about Goldwater. And Agnew.

Daldude | January 23, 2008, 11:25am | #

Really!? Edwards worse than Huckabee? So you'd prefer a theocracy to some guy trying to curb corporate overreach? Man, that's one gigantic sacred cow you got there..

robc | January 23, 2008, 11:26am | #

Hmmmm....

Ron Paul
[gap]
Whoever the LP nominates
[gap]
The recently departed Fred Thompson
[big gap]
the rest

Unless the LP fails to nominate someone or manages to nominate a supreme loser (and I voted for Badnarik, so the bar isnt being set high) I dont even have to consider what happens amongst the rest.

Jon | January 23, 2008, 11:27am | #

Ron, I don't understand why you wouldn't say "Huck is worse than Clinton, therefore I'll vote third party." You remind me of the crowd in the classic Simpsons where Homer exposes Clinton & Dole to be actual aliens, in response to one man's suggestion that he'd be voting third party.

Mo | January 23, 2008, 11:30am | #

From worst to best:
Guiliani (he scares the shit out of me)
Huckabee
Edwards
Clinton/McCain (tie to be determined by a coin toss)
Romney
Obama
Paul

Ron Bailey | January 23, 2008, 11:30am | #

Jon: Need to know who the Third Party candidates are. But the point of the game for me is to figure out who is worse not for whom I actually plan to vote.

As the little old lady said when she was asked for whom she planned to vote: "Vote, vote! I never vote! It only encourages them!"

jj | January 23, 2008, 11:31am | #

I second robc's list.

jj | January 23, 2008, 11:34am | #

I would generally go with the theocrat over the communist fascist. But in Huckabee's case I think he is both. He'd probably preside over a far greater expansion of republican government than George Bush ever dreamed of doing.

Good news is we would all be thin and strumming guitars.

svf | January 23, 2008, 11:34am | #

of the technically still-in-the race candidates...

Ron Paul > LP Nominee > Mike Gravel > Kucinich > Romney > write-in > Edwards > Obama > Rudy > McCain > Clinton > Huckabee

I feel nauseous...

robc | January 23, 2008, 11:34am | #

Ron,

Then I need help - How do I consider who is worse between two candidates I would never consider voting for? To me, they are both equally bad. There is always a 3rd or 4th or 5th or Cynthia McKinney party option.

Hmmm...I would vote McKinney (for the humor value) before any of the ones I include in "the rest".

New World Dan | January 23, 2008, 11:34am | #

robc, I'd put Mitt at the top of "the rest."

In the same vein, I'd probably vote Obama over Huckabee over Hillary. Of course, it's a moot point as they're all below the point at which I'd vote "None of the Above" ala Brewster's Millions.

robc | January 23, 2008, 11:35am | #

Should I plan on making a "Dont blame me - I voted McKinney" bumper sticker?

Taktix® | January 23, 2008, 11:37am | #

Paul > Jello Biafra write-in > Romney > Everyone else...

Episiarch | January 23, 2008, 11:37am | #

As the little old lady said when she was asked for whom she planned to vote: "Vote, vote! I never vote! It only encourages them!"

This is my strategy. Who is worse, though...Giuliani and Huck are pretty awful. Clinton is also awful, but not as scary. Obama has good charisma, but his policies suck. Edwards is awful. Romney is not too bad, but he would probably keep the war going.

They all suck.

madmikefisk | January 23, 2008, 11:38am | #

Of the remaining candidates in the field with a chance of winning their party's nomination (Clinton, Obama, and Edwards for the Dems, Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, and McCain for the GOP), I would rank them as follows:

Romney
McCain
Clinton
Giuliani
Obama
Huckabee
Edwards

Sadly, none are much of a choice, although I consider there to be a pretty sizable gap between Romney and McCain, and then again between Huckabee and Edwards.

Andy | January 23, 2008, 11:40am | #

Ron Paul
Obama
Romney
McCain
Clinton
Rudy
Edwards
Huckabee

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 11:41am | #

I'd second Mo's list, with Obama quite a bit higher (higher being more distasteful). However, that has a lot to do with me owning a number of firearms, most black, not pretty wood ones.

I just don't trust a guy that presents himself as a hallmark card. Hillary I trust to be Hillary, at least we know what's coming, and I believe she's much more of a pragmatist than people give her credit for.

Jackstraw | January 23, 2008, 11:42am | #

If Paul is not on the ballot I'll vote for whoever will bring about a major collapse faster.I think Clinton would be that candidate. Major expansion of government programs, a guarenteed Keynsian in the FED, continued war in Iraq and maybye even some humanitarian missions i.e. Darfur. Not to mention socialized medicine etc etc. Let's get it over with and then we can rebuild. Buy Gold.

robc | January 23, 2008, 11:44am | #

Jackstraw,

I'll vote for whoever will bring about a major collapse faster

Yet another reason to vote McKinney. I cant think of anything that would lead to us starting over from scratch any faster.

Rimfax | January 23, 2008, 11:46am | #

Presidential Candidate Ranking Game at our dumb wiki.

My best arbitrary choices as of now:
1 Paul
2 Obama
3 Romney
4 Clinton
5 McCain
6 Guiliani
7 Edwards
8 Huckabee

Mike Laursen | January 23, 2008, 11:47am | #

Nobody.

bob | January 23, 2008, 11:47am | #

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

hale | January 23, 2008, 11:47am | #

Ranked favorite to least favorite to most vomit-inducing:

Wayne Root
Ron Paul
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Barack Obama
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Hillary Clinton
Huckleberry Hound
Rudy Giuliani

The Democratic Republican | January 23, 2008, 11:53am | #

Hale -- Good point on Wayne Root. Haven't been an LP member for a long time; live in a state where he probably won't be on the ballot; but he's the only other person I would vote for besides Paul. I think he will/would be a good candidate.

Otherwise, I agree with the general consensus that puts Clinton and Giuliani near the bottom.

whiskeyjuvenile | January 23, 2008, 11:55am | #

Wrost to Best:

Giuliani
Huckabee
Romney
McCain
Clinton
Edwards
Sleeping in on Election Day
Paul
Gravel
Kucinich
Obama

Legate Damar | January 23, 2008, 11:55am | #

Paul
Dead squirrel
Romney/Obama (between these two, I'd say "whoever's party isn't controlling Congress" but if you made me pick with a split Congress, I'd say Romneybot.)
Talk seriously about leaving the country
Clinton
McCain
Actually leave the country
Huckabee
John the Unicorn Bringer
Rudy the Brave

Ethan | January 23, 2008, 11:56am | #

Level 1: could live with
Obama

Level 1.5: would say, "whatever"
Bloomberg

Level 2: unhappy with, possibly a bit frightened at the prospect of
Clinton
Paul
Rudy G.

Level 3: pants-fillingly terrified might happen; gates of hell opening; Canada beckons
Edwards
Romney
Huckabee
McCain

J sub D | January 23, 2008, 11:59am | #

Best to worst -

1) Ron Paul
2) Barack Obama
3) John McCain
3) Mitt Romney
3) Hillary Clintom
6) Mike Gravel
7) Dennis Kucinich
23) John Edwards
99) Mike Huckabee
762) Rudy Giuliani

I'm not considering third party this November. Yet. It seems likely that one of the two major parties will nominate someone I despise, fear or both, forcing me to vote for someone I just don't really like or support.

Legate Damar | January 23, 2008, 12:00pm | #

pants-fillingly terrified might happen

Had i the power to grant victory, Ethan would have won the thread.

Alas, I do not.

Carry on.

Legate Damar | January 23, 2008, 12:03pm | #

I would consider voting for Obama or Romneybot against the "bowels of hell" bracket, and I'd be thrilled to vote Paul.

Otherwise, we're just biding our time til I vote LP and regret it.

B | January 23, 2008, 12:04pm | #

Paul >>> Obama >> Romney > Giuliani/McCain/Clinton > Huckabee/Edwards

/ denotes a tie that I wouldn't consider worth breaking between Dems and Reps.

I am actively seeking employment in Canada. No joke.

Hank H. | January 23, 2008, 12:04pm | #

From worst to "first," including a couple no longer with us, and with the caveat that this is purely academic since I won't be voting anyway.

Huckabee
Edwards
Kucinich
Clinton
Giuliani
Obama
McCain
Romney
Richardson
Thompson
Paul

Tim Boyle | January 23, 2008, 12:05pm | #

Ron Paul
Wayne Allyn Root
(big gap)
Mit Romney
(gap)
Mike Huckabee
Kucinich
John Mccain
Guliani
(gap)
Clinton
Obama Edwards

Mike | January 23, 2008, 12:08pm | #

Here's my ranking (best to worst):
1. Paul
2. Romney
3. LP

Will not vote for anything below here:
4. Huckabee
4. Clinton
5. Rudy
6. Obama
7. Edwards
8. McCain

Jackstraw | January 23, 2008, 12:12pm | #

Oooohh...if Paul doesn't get on the ballot. I'm writting in Dead squirrel. Who cares who wins at that point. But imagine Wolf Blitzer announcing "CNN now can project Hillary Clinton in a land slide victory followed by ..ahhemm..uh..Dead Squirrel..followed by Huckabee."Dead squirrel lawn signs, bumperstickers.

BakedPenguin | January 23, 2008, 12:14pm | #

Best to worst, with gaps for drop offs.

Kubby

Paul * (voted for in primary)

Root / Gravel /Obama

Thompson / Kucinich

Romney

Clinton / McCain

Edwards / Huckabee / Giuliani

Rimfax | January 23, 2008, 12:16pm | #

pants-fillingly terrified might happen

Legate Damar, no reason to be timid. I second your declaration of Ethan as the thread winner.

Mark | January 23, 2008, 12:17pm | #

Tier 1: Will Remain in the Country
Obama
Paul

Tier 2: Would Think about Leaving, but Stay Anyways
McCain

Tier 3: I Hear Switzerland's Nice....
Huckabee (Wouldn't be able to do much of anything domestically and would be a modest improvement on foreign policy - not a high bar, I know)
Edwards (See Huckabee)

Tier 4: They Can't Reach Me On Easter Island, Right?
Hillary (Nixon in a Pantsuit)
Giuliani (Nixon Squared)
Romney (Would make Cheney's view of Executive Power look quaint)

PISTOFFNICK | January 23, 2008, 12:19pm | #

My ranking from worst to best:

10. Arthur J. Smith (SENSIBLE PARTY)

9. Jethro Q. Walrustitty (SILLY PARTY)

8. Alan Jones (SENSIBLE PARTY)

7. Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-

6. F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel (SILLY PARTY)

5. Kevin Phillips-Bong (SLIGHTLY SILLY PARTY)

4. Mr Elsie ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzOOP (SILLY PARTY)

3. James Walker (SENSIBLE PARTY)

2. Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then 'whoop') Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) 'We'll keep a welcome in the' (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) 'Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head' Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat 'Don't Sleep In The Subway' Barton Mainwaring (hoot, 'whoop') Smith (VERY SILLY PARTY)

1. None of the Above

Jozef | January 23, 2008, 12:23pm | #

I will actively pursue emigration if one of the following is elected (in no particular order):

Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Mitt Romney

I'm not going to play the "vote for lesser evil" any longer.

Reinmoose | January 23, 2008, 12:25pm | #

From first preference to last (and only including the 2 major parties)

1 Paul
2 Romney
3 Obama
4 Clinton
5 McCain
6 Edwards
7 Huckabee/Giuliani

When it comes to actual voting... unless I move to a state where it won't automatically go to the dem nominee, I'll prefer to sit home and drink.

Lawrence | January 23, 2008, 12:26pm | #

I suspect Hillary would very, very much be "like" GW in attempts to destroy constitutional government. Only with a little leftward bound spice. Not as much as folks think though. I think she has more in common Darth Vice president than people think, after the first assignation attempt, will probably replace the Secret Service with a blackwater type group, heralding the end of the Roman Senate (or is that the US senate?).

Ghouliani? Well, populist facism ain't my thing, and we can definitely expect a round of (non-racially motivated) brown shirts in a neighborhood near you. Guessing he'll try to make China look like an open gov compared to the administration he'll run. The only upside to him is the good relations we will have with Mother Russia. He will definitely attempt to eliminate any remaining parts of the bill of rights.

Huck? The difference between Huck and your average Islamofacist is one of favorite books only. Figure he'll tear down the temple to bring the prophecies to fruition. Expect the worst sci-fi writers can imagine.

McCain? Something about him is just scaring the bejesus out of me lately. Used to think he was harmless. Maybe he's the Manchurian candidate? It's the only explanation I can come up with.

Edwards? I suspect harmless in the end, a populist without a lot of populism, I really do suspect congress will spend all it's time fighting him. Keeping them off of my back.

Obama? Don't know, but I have to admit, I'm not actually afraid of him. And he smokes. Gawd damn, it's gonna be pitiful if I vote based on who I can bum a cig off of.

Pitiful in the end, I'll be voting on who wants to destroy liberty and the pursuit of happiness LEAST.

Pitiful.

James | January 23, 2008, 12:27pm | #

1. Obama
2. Kucinich
3. Clinton
4. Edwards
5. McCain
6. Huckabee
7. Romney
--------------------
911. Giuliani

yubi | January 23, 2008, 12:29pm | #

Ecstatic:

Ron Paul

Happy:

Obama

Kucinich (Id just be funny! Maybe he can still pull the MUFON vote. yuk yuk)

Meh:

Chinsty McChiBot

McCain

Depressed:

Lady President

Hairdo

Suicidal:

Fuckabee

Rudy Soprano

If the last two leave, Im leaving the country, as I did when The Decider took office.

Ali | January 23, 2008, 12:39pm | #

1) Ron Paul
2) Barack Obama
3) John McCain
3) Mitt Romney
3) Hillary Clintom
6) Mike Gravel
7) Dennis Kucinich
23) John Edwards
99) Mike Huckabee
762) Rudy Giuliani


Me too, me too!

cs | January 23, 2008, 12:41pm | #

If you're like me and the war and civil liberties are the primary issues to you, the choices are almost clear...

Paul > Kucinich > Obama > Edwards > Clinton > McCain > Huckabee > Romney > Rudy

Nick | January 23, 2008, 12:41pm | #

Worst to First

Huckabee (I just can't handle any more big spending Republican Christian evangelists)
Giuliani
McCain (100 fucking years? WTF?!)
Edwards
Romney
Obama
Clinton (I hate her but Republicans deserve the discomfort and I don't mind armed revolution, so...)
Paul

R C Dean | January 23, 2008, 12:43pm | #

Having a hard time grasping the high ranking Obama is getting here.

So far as I can tell, he's basically a standard-issue Dem on policy, peddling a Dem version of Bush's "New Tone."

I can't imagine that he would do anything to advance any libertarian issue, and could be counted on to do such unlibertarian things as raise taxes and spending.

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 12:47pm | #

Serious question, why all the support for Obama? His speeches are void filled platitudes for the most part, he's pro socialized medicine, pro-mucking about with corporatations, pro-tax, anti gay marraige (though pro "civil union", whatever that means), voted in favor of the patriot act, and is so strongly anti second amendment he openly espouses outlawing handguns entirely. Finally, Hillary is right, he does tend to vote "present" on issues he doesn't want to deal with later. A lot do, I understand, but have some balls.

I understand people want to get out of Iraq, but is this really the package you want? I don't see McCain as nearly as damaging on the whole, nor Hillary for that matter (as long as people made her feel like she's in charge).

Reinmoose | January 23, 2008, 12:48pm | #

I can't imagine that he would do anything to advance any libertarian issue, and could be counted on to do such unlibertarian things as raise taxes and spending.

R C Dean -
That can be said about just about every other candidate too. This is about the LESSER of evils :)

lunchstealer | January 23, 2008, 12:49pm | #

Laughing:

Kucinich (Come on, we'd be out of the war, plus think of all the fun when he forces all the churches to unionize!)

Resigned:

Paul (I'm pro choice and pro appologize if your name is on stupid shit, but anti-war)
Obama (Scary with a majority, but the congressional GOP might actually keep him somewhat in check a la Clinton)

Scared:

McCain
Giuliani

Real scared:

Romney

That pants thing that Ethan said:

Clinton

That pants thing plus drink til I don't know my name:

Edwards
Huckabee

Brandybuck | January 23, 2008, 12:51pm | #

My anti-Dondero ranking:

Paul
Smith
Jingozian
Kubby
NOTA
McCain
Gravel
Phillies
Kucinich
Romney
Obama
Root
Edwards
Root Canal
Hilliani
Cox

BakedPenguin | January 23, 2008, 12:57pm | #

RC Dean/Other Matt - his stances on open government and executive power are the main reason why I rank him above most of the Republicans.

Whether or not he would actually keep his word is another matter.

x,y | January 23, 2008, 12:57pm | #

1. Paul
2. LP nominee
3. Gravel/Kucinich
5. The rest

jackanapestarian | January 23, 2008, 1:01pm | #

This is about as pointless as life gets.

Sulla | January 23, 2008, 1:01pm | #

Of the top of my head, from least objectionable to most:

Paul
Obama (Not that I love his policies, but maybe it will get some of the race baiters to lessen the rhetoric. Please note that I am racially mixed, so the preferred insult would be buji(sp?) sellout, not paleolib)

Clinton/Romney (I agree that Clinton is more pragmatic than people give her credit for, but I have a kneejerk reaction against dynastic politics. Romney seems like a relatively capable administrator, which would be a nice change).

McCain
Edwards/Huckabee/Guiliani: Too Populist/Fundamentalist/Authoritarian
But the point is to rank,right, so:

Edwards
Guiliani
Huckabee (As a converted Catholic who was raised in evangelical churches, I am not anti-christianity per se, but I am generally of the belief that it has nothing to tell us about politics)


Also:
If Paul is not on the ballot I'll vote for whoever will bring about a major collapse faster. . .Let's get it over with and then we can rebuild. Buy Gold.

I express no opinion on gold as an investment option, but if a collapse is coming, maybe it would be better to buy guns, canned food, medicine, gasoline, etc. That way when it arrives, you can sell the truly important things to the people who just have gold :)

Nick | January 23, 2008, 1:02pm | #

Positives for Obama and why he might be doing well on this list:

It means Hillary would have lost to him in the Democratic nominating process. Bonus points for that.

He would get us out of Iraq.

He's read the Constitution at least once. (He might not understand it yet, but it's a start we can work with.)

It would piss off racists and that's always fun.

He might restore a little respect for the U.S. around the world, because he's not like Bush personality-wise.

He's not Rudy, Hillary, Huckabee, McCain, or Edwards.

The list was "who sucks less then this asshat" and when they are all the same except for Paul, personality means something.

MayorOmalleySuxs | January 23, 2008, 1:16pm | #

Voting preference (1st choice first)

1. McCain
2. Romney
3. Giuliani (hope for a slight Dem majority)
4. Bloomberg (hope for a slight Rep majority)
5. Obama (hope for a slight Rep majority)
6. Clinton (hope for a slight Rep majority)
7. Bloomberg (hope for slight Rep majority)
8. Stay home
9. Move back to the UK
10. Huckabee (hope for a Dem veto proof majority)
11. Become an astronaut and move to Mars
12. Edwards (hope for a Rep veto proof majority)
13. Kucinich (give me a break)
14. Paul (give me a break)

MayorOmalleySuxs | January 23, 2008, 1:20pm | #

I couldn't make up my mind about Bloomberg.

Warren | January 23, 2008, 1:20pm | #

There's PAUL and then there's We are so fucked.

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 1:24pm | #

He's read the Constitution at least once. (He might not understand it yet, but it's a start we can work with.)

Voted FOR the "Patriot Act", wants to ban all semi automatics and handguns, what the hell gives you this idea?

He's not Rudy, Hillary, Huckabee, McCain, or Edwards.

Of that list, I think Hillary would at least be somewhat more pragmatic, Rudy is scary, McCain is more moderate IMHO, Huckabee is marginally less scary than Rudy simply because of the attitude difference, though he thinks he has god on his side so perhaps not.

Teflon Leprechan | January 23, 2008, 1:26pm | #

OMalleySuxs-We should have lunch some time.

Monkey Of Fear | January 23, 2008, 1:30pm | #

From first to last:
1. Paul
2. Romney
3. Obama
4. Mccain
5. Edwards
6. Clinton
7. Guiliani
8. Huckabee

Paul is an obvious first choice, but being that he has no chance at securing the Repub nomination . . . Romney makes me want puke, but the rest, in ascending order, make me want to flee the country after puking, self-mutilation and a random act of useless protest.

Tim Boyle | January 23, 2008, 1:34pm | #

I also cannot understand why Obama is doing so well on this board, he is a socialist with charisma...that means he will have a better time getting his agenda passed then pretty much anyone else...this scares me sooo much.

Cab | January 23, 2008, 1:35pm | #

Romney
Giuliani
Obama
McCain
Huckabee
Hillary
Edwards

An Ottawa Reader | January 23, 2008, 1:37pm | #

If I had to choose among serious candidates who still have a chance (Paul doesn't, but neither does Edwards), I'd go with experience governing and reasonable doubt of utter incompetence. So, from best to worst:

Romney (so-so governor of Mass.)

Guiliani (overrated, authoritarian mayor of NYC)

Huckabee (buffoon governor of Ark. which has fewer people than NYC; please, no more southern governors!)

McCain (aging senator with hair-trigger temper with no actual experience in an administration)

Obama (young senator with no actual experience in an administration)

Clinton (ruined everything she touched in her husband's administration--and learned nothing from it)

Ironchef | January 23, 2008, 1:42pm | #

best to worst:
Paul
Obama
HRC
Romney
Guiliani
Huckabee
McCain
Edwards

Mo | January 23, 2008, 1:43pm | #

RC,
For me it comes down to this. Everyone is less of a scary fascist than Rudy. Everyone else is less of scary nanny/theocrat than Huckabee. All that are left are less of a commie than Edwards. McCain is a rough and tumble militarist, that destroys those that oppose him and does not believe in the first amendment. Which is about equal to Hillary who will enact the worst policies that are popular at a time and will trample over whoever opposes her. Both of these options are scarier than an animatronic doll that has no true beliefs so could be a competent free-marketer or a theocrat war-monger (who is at least competent). All the above are no worse than a standard issue Dem that pushes for greater transparency in government. Nothing too egregious about him. Electing him would likely improve race and international relations significantly. So while the man is relatively unimpressive as a candidate, as a symbol he's got upside. Besides, for once we'd have a prez that was honest about drug use.

I don't get the love for Hillary here. She's all the bad of Barack, but worse.

Of course, Ron Paul is much better than them all. That's why he got my money and will get my primary vote.

mk | January 23, 2008, 1:49pm | #

I will vote for Obama if the other option is either Romney or Huckabilly. If Obama gets smart and adds Richardson to his ticket, I may be able to do it without holding my nose.


If the impossible happens and Guiliani gets the Repub nomination then I don't care who the Dem is, it could be Edwards even, I will vote Dem.

If the Dem is Hilary or Edwards and/or the Republican is McCain/Romney, I'll vote LP.

If the LP candidate turns out to be a Paleo, then I'm leaving the country.

Nash | January 23, 2008, 1:50pm | #

Best to Worst:

Paul
Romney's Rhetoric
Obama
Romney's Voting Record
McCain
Ghoulianni
Clinton
Huckabee
Edwards

Rimfax | January 23, 2008, 1:50pm | #

Humor me and "immortalize" your choice here.

Then we can look back with uncomfortable clarity at our own folly in four years or so.

mk | January 23, 2008, 1:53pm | #

I should probably say that I still support Paul and even gave him a little $ again on MLK day.

Also, I should admit that I can't actually afford to leave the country.

dhex | January 23, 2008, 1:55pm | #

For me it comes down to this. Everyone is less of a scary fascist than Rudy.

yup.

regardless of what happens, at least that pile of shit is getting nowhere near a seat of power on a national scale. (or ever again, i hope.)

joshua corning | January 23, 2008, 1:58pm | #

All of em are worse then what ever the Libertarian party puts up for their candidate.

If Paul wins the republican nomination i guess i will have to do some soul searching.

But lets say by some hypothetical that i must vote for someone other then Ron Paul or the Libertarian candidate.

the list goes something like this:

Joshua Corning
My dad
My mom
My Eldest Brother
My Sister in Law
A guy who works in the office with me
My buddy
My other buddy
My other buddies wife (not even sure she is over 35)
My buddy who lives in seattle
My buddy who lives in seattle's wife
Romney
Anyone of the some 200 million+ eligible population of The US (Write-ins rock!)
Guilani
joe (the reason commenter not Biden)
Obama
McCain
Huckabee
Hillary
Edwards

Brandybuck | January 23, 2008, 2:02pm | #

If the LP candidate turns out to be a Paleo, then I'm leaving the country.
You would vote for a Democrat holding your nose, but you would leave the country if the LP merely ran a candidate you don't like? Wow, you cosmos have really gone off the deep end.

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 2:06pm | #

You would vote for a Democrat holding your nose, but you would leave the country if the LP merely ran a candidate you don't like? Wow, you cosmos have really gone off the deep end.

Probably has a lot to do with the childishness of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

joshua corning | January 23, 2008, 2:14pm | #

Probably has a lot to do with the childishness of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

Or it was a joke making fun of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 2:19pm | #

Or it was a joke making fun of the whole cosmo/paleo bullshit.

Perhaps I wasn't clear...that's kind of what I meant. Sorry. Like "Probably has a lot to do with the childishness..." as in spoofing it.

Legate Damar | January 23, 2008, 2:31pm | #

Reasons why I'm giving Obama some (relative) love:

1. He has a history of desiring transparent governance. Given that the last two administrations have been 2 of the 3 most secretive since WW2, that's a positive. Even if he fails here (relatively), he won't be worse than Bush. And that's more than I can say about McCain, Egghead, or Hillary.

2. He seems to genuinely believe that he can change things in Washington. Since we know he can't, at least he'll spend a chunk of his term being stymied while finding this out. Better gridlock than a competent deal-cutter getting things done.

3. That's all I got, but that's still more than most of the other options. This field sucks.

kinnath | January 23, 2008, 2:38pm | #

Given that a lot of republicans have announced they are retiring from congress, it seems highly unlikely that the republicans can take the house or the senate. So my guess it that the least damage will occur if the android fomerly known as Mitt takes the presidency.

JasonL | January 23, 2008, 2:48pm | #

Worst to best:

Huckabee
Edwards
Rudy
McCain = Hillary I despise them equally.
Romney
Obama

God, that's depressing.

kinnath | January 23, 2008, 3:04pm | #

Ranking the worst:

Huckabee -- combines the worst aspects of fundmentalist moralizing with we-know-better-than-you progressive policies

Guiliani -- you will submit!

Edwards -- combines the worst aspects of we-know-better-than-you progressive policies with southern/hick social moralizing (bizarro Huckabee)

Clinton -- LBJ without the personality.

The good news is that Huckabee and Edwards seem to be well on the way to oblivion. And after Florida, Guiliani will be booking his tickets home.

That leaves us with the very real possibility of HRC ruling the white house with democrats in control of both the house and the senate.

I so look forward to seeing the last 20 years of working hard to achieve a comfortable life get flushed down the toilet.

mk | January 23, 2008, 3:04pm | #

To be honest, I've been wanting to travel anyway.

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 3:11pm | #

Legate:
I'm no fan of anyone in particular other than RP. I'm just honestly incredulous with this Obama love. The man's record just doesn't support much that I feel is right, and what I believe people on this board espouse as good and just and all that teary eye'd stuff. Further, people make statements like you did here:

He seems to genuinely believe that he can change things in Washington. Since we know he can't, at least he'll spend a chunk of his term being stymied while finding this out. Better gridlock than a competent deal-cutter getting things done.

How do you arrive at this conclusion that he sincerely wants change? I see nothing which indicates he wants to change anything other than votes going against his particular agenda. I've listened to him speak, he rarely says anything of value, has a bunch of platitudes about change and feeling good and Rodney King quotes thinly veiled, and nothing else. Hillary at least has some substance, not that it's any more palatable. When you get throught he bullshit frosting on Obama, and actually start reading the stuff on his website on positions (allowing for what is really being said as opposed to how it's being said), if I had any hair left it would be standing on end.

Y'all are fine loving him, I just am quite amazed by this, seriously. Romney will pander to the middle as that way people will focus more on his hair, McCain gets hot, true, but he calls people on bullshit at least 20% of the time with it, but either of the two I see as much preferable to Obama's agenda.

I really wish we had a black male or female who wasn't as distasteful, just so we could get all that black/white bullshit behind us.

Nick | January 23, 2008, 3:12pm | #

He's read the Constitution at least once. (He might not understand it yet, but it's a start we can work with.)

Voted FOR the "Patriot Act", wants to ban all semi automatics and handguns, what the hell gives you this idea?

---I said that because he has a background in Constitutional law, but I threw in the part about not understanding it for the reasons you gave. Besides, does anyone think he'd be able to ban the guns? Does anyone think this is a possibility at a national level at all? Even with a Dem Congress it wouldn't get 60 votes in the Senate and pass SCOTUS challenges.

The thing I worry about is that the GOP candidates that remain (save for Paul) all have center/bipartisan tendencies, Huckabee likes social welfare programs and tax-raising, Romney just wants to be president and have his picture taken signing bills into law and is known to compromise, McCain is practically sleeping with Democrats on all his legislation, and Giuliani will trade social program approval for more police-state power. If we're gonna end up with any of those, I'd just as soon see Obama be president because it would piss off the Republicans who screwed us by not nominating Paul. It matters very little who is elected if not Paul, so why not have some fun at the expense of the people I despise the most, namely Republicans, Hillary, and racists?

Nick | January 23, 2008, 3:16pm | #

I never said I would vote for him. I will vote for Ron Paul, LP if I like the candidate, or write-in someone I respect. Relax.

yubi | January 23, 2008, 3:19pm | #

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Mr Anonymous | January 23, 2008, 3:33pm | #

1. Thompson write-in
2. Paul
3. McCain (hoping that he picks Thompson as VP and, in a "Maverick" moment, resigns just after taking the oath)
4. Obama
5a. The alien who keeps harrassing Dennis Kucinich
5b. Dennis Kucinich's Wife
5c. Dennis Kucinich
6. "Mr. Fantastic," Mitt Romney
7. Huckabee
8. John from the Mill
9. Goldwater Village Girl
10. Ferret boy

Foxhunter | January 23, 2008, 3:40pm | #

First to worst

1 Ron Paul
2 LP (Root or other)
3 Rudolph Giuliani
4 Mike Gravel
5 Barrack Obama
6 Mitt Romney
7 John McCain
8 George W. Bush
9 Mike Huckabee
10 Hillary Clinton
11 Michael Bloomberg
12 Cinthia McKinney
13 John Edwards

Lamar | January 23, 2008, 3:52pm | #

Best to worst:

Paul
Obama
Clinton/Romney Poll Driven Monster Person
McCain
Edwards
Rooody
Huckabee
Lamar
McKinney

Jacob | January 23, 2008, 4:09pm | #

Ron Paul – He might be a racist but he’s OUR racist
Obama – End the war, civil liberties, yadda yadda
Gravel – Too kooky to do any damage
McCain – Told the farm interests to suck it, which was impressive
Giuliani – The tax-cutting war-monger
Hillary – Hey, Bill governed moderately. There’s hope.
Kucinich – Hey, at least the war would be over
Romney – Universal health care, auto handouts, farm subsidies, how is this guy conservative again?
Huckabee.

Did I miss anyone?

Bryan | January 23, 2008, 4:11pm | #

Ron Paul
McCain
Obama
Lib candidate
Gravel
Romney

Robert | January 23, 2008, 4:12pm | #

I'd like to poll delegates for Ron Paul as to who their 2nd & 3rd choices are, because that's how they'll probably be voting at the convention.

As to my badness ranking among likely candidates, nobody else is really close to Giuliani. Next it would be close between McCain & Clinton. After them, Edwards. And then none of the remainder do I see as threatening, not even Huckabee. However, I would prefer Romney to Huckabee, and I would vote for either of them against Obama.

Bloomberg, I just don't know. I might vote for him just to get rid of him as mayor. He might do less damage if he concentrates on foreign affairs.

Dynamist Dan | January 23, 2008, 4:27pm | #

Paul (He's either a bigot or a bad manager, but he's a libertarian)
Romney (It's a sad thing when second best is so bad)
McCain (At least I could say the President gave my commencement)
Obama (Great style, poor substance, that which I can pin down)
Clinton (Possibly 28 years of rule by 2 families, true meritocracy)
Huckabee (Socially conservative big government, shoot me)
Edwards (I just absolutely detest everything about this man)

grumpy realist | January 23, 2008, 4:28pm | #

Also note that McCain told Detroit that the jobs ain't coming back (which anyone with half a brain cell will admit) and got whacked across the head with a 2 x 4 for truth-telling.

The US will continue to slide downhill until the US populace starts voting against politicians who promise them ponies and cakewalk victories and start rewarding those who tell them the truth. I was hoping this time around that the strong news was acceptable--oh well.

America: being gullible in our elections since...?

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 4:32pm | #

Nick-As I said, I'm not arguing, just surprised, and trying to understand as I really haven't heard Obama say anything of stubstance. Ever. It's all "We need change, feel good, go forth, love me" followed by bullshit. Even now, he tries to deflect his "present" votes which Hillary pounds him on, and still has nothing of substance to say. On health care, he says he'd start with single payer if he had to start again, meaning....? He thinks people should have coverage, meaning....?

What civil liberties is Obama such a champion of? You mentioned the firearms part, which shows he avoids the 2nd amend (I count that as a "civil liberty", personally). Regardless of whether he could pull it off, this shows a blatent disrespect for the Constitution, at least the Bill of Rights. He is against gay marraige, though I grant that I'm against all marraige as far as the govt is concerned so you can probably put me in that hopper myself. I guess he said something like the people who are facing punishment should have rights under the constitution, which is no great leap except for Bush's Atty Gen. Where is the big civil liberties he has over others? He's "Pro choice" I'm sure, but that's a basic ticket punch for the Dems, so there's no great civil liberties espousing there.

I guess what's left is "get us out of Iraq", which we'll probably declare victory and leave soon anyway just out of financial practicality.

The US will continue to slide downhill until the US populace starts voting against politicians who promise them ponies and cakewalk victories and start rewarding those who tell them the truth

This I agree with, though I guess that's because I have my own view of what "the truth" entails, and there are bound to be problems with what others view as "the truth."

economist | January 23, 2008, 4:34pm | #

Paul(crazy but in a good way)
Romney(maybe he is the callous businessman who doesn't care about "income inequality" the media pretends he is. We can only hope.)
McCain(bland, but so was Eisenhower, and he was okay)
Huckabutt(hey, at least he hates the IRS)
Clinton(I don't think she actually believes much of the crap she's spewing)
Obama(When you've reached the bottom, who cares?
Edwards(Just to show it can always be worse.)

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 4:34pm | #

Bloomberg, I just don't know. I might vote for him just to get rid of him as mayor. He might do less damage if he concentrates on foreign affairs.

Ack! Robert, let's make a deal, you keep your garbage at home, and don't vote for Bloomberg, and I'll do the same and not vote for O'Malley four years from now.

TobyCat | January 23, 2008, 4:48pm | #

Ron Paul
LP Candidate
Tobycat (write in)
Not Voting

wph | January 23, 2008, 4:53pm | #

Is Calvin Coolidge on the ballot this year? I liked him, he didn't do anything. Good man.

Lost_In_Translation | January 23, 2008, 4:55pm | #

Ron Paul (i can dream)
Fred Thompson (atleast pretends at federalism)
John McCain (enough people hate him that he'd spend most of his presidency fighting in washington)
Barak Obama (amorphous hope maybe good, maybe bad)
Mitt Romney (Mr. Republican, no soul, but has a brain)
Hillary Clinton (Evil, but a known quantity)
Mike Huckabee (No brain, evil I don't know)
John Edwards (No brain, no soul, pretty much 99% hair)
Rudy Giuliani (Paging Lucifer, one of your minions escaped)

T | January 23, 2008, 5:23pm | #

What a depressing game this is turning out to be. For the first time in a number of years, I won't actually be working the election this year. I may stay home and load magazines and drink.

Best to worst

Paul - Only guy trying to slow down the train
LP Candidate - gotta be better than the current crop of D&R midgets
McKinney - comedy gold, folks
Kucinich - Useless tool who'd be harmless
Romney - pragmatic
Clinton - pragmatic to a fault
Obama - no substance
Edwards - redistribute wealth as long as I keep mine
Huckabeest - too religious to be the guy with the football
McCain - already enamored of gutting my rights, no more power for you
Giuliani - repulsive fascist

I figure by the time the night's over I'll be chugging bourbon straight from the bottle and screaming at the TV about voting with a bullet until the wife clubs me into silence.

Eric | January 23, 2008, 5:35pm | #

Paul
Probably the LP Candidate
Romney
McCain
Guilani
Obama
Huckabee
Clinton
Edwards

The last four on my list are flaming socialists, so there is no way they get my vote. There is a huge drop off after Paul though and there would be some nose holding to vote for the rest.

JasonL | January 23, 2008, 5:47pm | #

Ack. Hadn't seen Obama's view of gun control. Ban semi automatics? Ban guns in the inner city? What the hell is that?

I guess that moves Robo Romney to number 1 ...

prolefeed | January 23, 2008, 6:24pm | #

When I took the VoteMatch quiz here , I got these amusing results -- apparently I prefer the candidates widely regarded as nutcases by the MSM:

Total 45%
Social 31%
Economic 54%
John Cox
Chairman of Cook County (IL) Republican Party

Total 45%
Social 31%
Economic 54%
Alan Keyes


Total 43%
Social 38%
Economic 46%
Ron Paul

Total 40%
Social 44%
Economic 38%
Mike Gravel

Total 38%
Social 50%
Economic 29%
Dennis Kucinich


Total 35%
Social 50%
Economic 25%
Hillary Clinton

Total 35%
Social 38%
Economic 33%
Mike Huckabee

Total 35%
Social 19%
Economic 46%
Mitt Romney

Total 33%
Social 50%
Economic 21%
Cynthia McKinney

Total 30%
Social 13%
Economic 42%
Rudy Giuliani

Total 28%
Social 25%
Economic 29%
John McCain

Total 25%
Social 25%
Economic 25%
Barack Obama

Total 23%
Social 19%
Economic 25%
John Edwards

If you just consider the economic ratings, you get an ordering closer to my actual voting preferences (with the exception of Giuliani and Keyes):

Economic 54%
John Cox
Chairman of Cook County (IL) Republican Party

Economic 54%
Alan Keyes

Economic 46%
Ron Paul

Economic 46%
Mitt Romney

Economic 42%
Rudy Giuliani

Economic 38%
Mike Gravel

Economic 33%
Mike Huckabee

Economic 29%
Dennis Kucinich

Economic 29%
John McCain

Economic 25%
Hillary Clinton

Economic 25%
Barack Obama

Economic 25%
John Edwards

Economic 21%
Cynthia McKinney

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 8:19pm | #

JasonL-You are doing a wonderful job of showing my point. I don't think anyone knows that's his position, because of the platitudes and lack of substance in what he says. That's why I'm mystified with so many people thinking he's great here.

Other Matt | January 23, 2008, 8:25pm | #

Rudy Giuliani (Paging Lucifer, one of your minions escaped)

Dammit, LIT, have you ever heard the Jeff Foxworthy routine about the milk that he "USED to be drinking" and how he made it across the room via the nose...

mk | January 23, 2008, 8:29pm | #

I'm amazed that Romney is getting so many passes here. Some of the most profoundly retarded things that have been said at either party's debates have come out of his mouth.

You think Barack is a socialist? Do you remember what came out of Romney's mouth after McCain said that some jobs weren't coming back to Michigan? That was some straight communist shit. Double Guantanamo? The president keeping us alive is the only civil liberty that we should be worried about?

Mo | January 23, 2008, 8:48pm | #

apparently I prefer the candidates widely regarded as nutcases by the MSM

Alan Keyes is considered a nutcase by any right thinking person.

joshua corning | January 23, 2008, 9:53pm | #

Romney(maybe he is the callous businessman who doesn't care about "income inequality" the media pretends he is. We can only hope.)

I had not thought about it that way.

I might just vote for Romney before I vote for my buddy in Seattle's wife.

joshua corning | January 23, 2008, 9:59pm | #

Alan Keyes is considered a nutcase by any right thinking person.

I think someone who is espousing Hayakian economics being called a nutcase by the media for 20 years has a greater then 50% chance of actually becoming a nutcase.

Ya he is a nutcase...but he has an excuse.

Daniel Reeves | January 23, 2008, 10:17pm | #

From bad to worst.

Paul
LP Candidate
Mike Gravel
Obama
The Great Juju and His Big Ball of Twine
McCain
Giuliani
Clinton
Huckabee
Edwards
Romney
McCain
Kucinich
Romney
When I took the VoteMatch quiz here , I got these amusing results -- apparently I prefer the candidates widely regarded as nutcases by the MSM:
You're on a fucking libertarian blog, mate.

Daniel Reeves | January 23, 2008, 10:19pm | #

Oops, let me revise my list quickly.

Paul
LP Candidate
Gravel
Obama
The Great Juju and His Big Ball of Twine
McCain
Giuliani
Clinton
Huckabee
Edwards
Romney
Kucinich

Jumbie | January 24, 2008, 1:05am | #

I think Obama should poll pretty high on the 'I can live with him' list because he was also one of the sponsors of the bill to make congresscritters acknowledge their earmarks AND have them in a searchanble online database.

I remember thinking back then, when his candidacy was just a rumor 'man fuck the presidency, we need to keep his ass in the senate to do more stuff like that.'

But maybe he could do more stuff like that as president?

Rick Barton | January 24, 2008, 1:35am | #

(shorter version)

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Rick Barton | January 24, 2008, 1:37am | #

(Continuation of gap)
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Rick Barton | January 24, 2008, 1:39am | #

2. The others except for Hiiiary and Rudy
3. Hillary and Rudy

Rick Barton | January 24, 2008, 1:58am | #

If Romney wants to break a little above the others he's grouped with, he needs to have a plan to leave Iraq and start digging Adam Smith.

If Obama wants to break above that group, he needs to go beyond praising Reagan and start praising Hayek.

The Wine Commonsewer | January 24, 2008, 2:06am | #

RP
LP Candidate

I will not give someone who plans to stab me in back my vote simply to prevent someone else from shooting me in the gut. So once RP is out of the race I’ll probably vote for the Libertarian Party candidate (who will lose). I know I’m going to get raped but I’m at least gonna spray the bastard with mace before he sticks it in.

ace | January 24, 2008, 2:56am | #

best to worst:
paul
gravel
obama
kucinich
an inanimate carbon rod
edwards
human feces
hillary
animal feces
thompson
mccain
being forced to eat animal feces
romney/rudy

my guiding principle: if the pres doesn't restore civil liberties and pull out of iraq lickety split, we're up the creek fo shizzle

romney may be a gifted businessman, but be very, very afraid of the prospect of his presidency

ace | January 24, 2008, 2:59am | #

addendum: huckabee is tied with rudy/romney

Jose Ortega y Gasset | January 24, 2008, 7:01am | #

"I know I’m going to get raped but I’m at least gonna spray the bastard with mace before he sticks it in."

Not to shit on your riff, CS, but this is like the gnat saying he's going to mace the elephant before taking in the backside. It may make the gnat feel better, but it ain't botherin' the elephant.

As for candidates, HRC is probably my least favorite followed closely by the other aspiring dictators like Guiliani, McCain, Huckabee, etc. Romney just creeps me out. While I may sympathize with some of Paul's positions, he's just too lunatic fringe for me to take seriously. My current favorite is probably Obama, maybe just because I like the idea of an America where a "Barrack Obama" can win the presidency.

Mortimer Peacock | January 24, 2008, 11:57am | #

Let me offer a libertarian defense of Obama:

1. He wants to close Guantanamo.
2. He opposed the Military Commission Act.
3. He opposed the Iraq war resolution and he wants to withdraw.
4. He opposes wiretapping and spying on US citizens.
5. In the Illinois state senate he pushed through a bill that requires all police interrogations be videotaped, to discourage police brutality and coerced confessions.
6. He sponsored a bill in the Senate to offer citizens total knowledge of how and where government money is being spent through an online database.
7. He doesn't want to convert to a socialized health system overnight.
8. He's never said anything about outlawing all guns; he's just in favor of banning them in the inner city, where nary a hunter or rural or suburban gun enthusiast will ever have to worry about treading.

I realize he doesn't meet anything close to most of the requirements for a truly libertarian candidate, but, well, so it goes. The reason he's my top choice is because he's thoughtful, reasoned, and pragmatic, but because he's an inspiring orator or makes me Hope for Change. In my opinion, he comes off much stonger in quiet interviews than during his rollicking speeches.

Mortimer Peacock | January 24, 2008, 11:58am | #

Oops, that "but" in the next-to-last sentence should be "not."

diane | January 24, 2008, 2:36pm | #

Rank the candidates? They're all rank except for Ron Paul.

Other Matt | January 24, 2008, 3:29pm | #

He's never said anything about outlawing all guns; he's just in favor of banning them in the inner city, where nary a hunter or rural or suburban gun enthusiast will ever have to worry about treading.

Actually, yes, see here. Specifically, the section where it says:


Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.


Also:
The reason he's my top choice is because he's thoughtful, reasoned, and pragmatic, but because he's an inspiring orator or makes me Hope for Change

Only if you ignore the fact that he doesn't say anything but useless feel good platitudes. I mean, love the guy if you want, but dont' think he's anything to cheer about. He strikes me as a cult leader personality, where people don't actually think about what he's saying, they just like the fact that he's talking.

Other Matt | January 24, 2008, 3:46pm | #

Self correction..You are correct, he does not say "all" guns, which is a canard held out by the Brady crowd. Banning all semi automatics counts to me.

Rick Barton | January 24, 2008, 5:55pm | #

Mortimer Peacock,

Well, Obamaa is lots better than Hillary.

Obama's anti-war/foreign policy positions are better than all the Dem candidates except for Kucinich, but not nearly as good as Ron Paul's.

He opposes wiretapping and spying on US citizens.
In the Illinois state senate he pushed through a bill that requires all police interrogations be videotaped, to discourage police brutality and coerced confessions.


Very good! And his willingness to say good things about Reagan MIGHT indicate that be is willing to reject his knee-jerk liberal reach for bigger government in response to every economic problem. (The vast majority of which are caused by big government in the first place.)

However:

He doesn't want to convert to a socialized health system overnight.

That's cold comfort.

And check ot his NTU ratings for total spending. He's a very big spender/big government guy. He gets F's:

http://www.ntu.org/main/components/ratescongress/details_all_years.php3?senate_id=180

There is no economic freedom libertarian case to be made for Obama-only a case in foreign policy and civil liberties.

kwais | January 25, 2008, 5:37am | #

This is how I rank the candidates from best to worst.

Ron Paul: He is wrong about some very important things. But he is right in wanting to end: The Drug War, The Income tax, the federal department of education, many of the pointless and unconstitutional gun laws. Those four things are of gigantic importance.

Fred Thompson: I don’t really know much about him other than that he has done less evil or retarded stuff that the other candidates

Gap

Mike Huckabee: I think he is first cousins with Bill Clinton. He is a socialist theocrat, but he has vowed to eliminate the IRS. He also has had Chuck Norris do a campaign commercial for him, which gives him some down to earthedness. His socialist programs in Arkansas have been somewhat effective. And under his dictatitorial rule we would all be thinner and nonsmokers. OK honestly the one and only thing that merits him being ranked so high, and not at the bottom of the page is that he vows to do away with the IRS.

Huge Gap

Obama: He is a gun grabbing socialist, with no experience governing. He does seem like a likable and honest guy. He actually might get points in my book for his non experience at governing thing, because of how wrong he is on so many issues. Not being effective is going to be a feature, not a bug. Also him winning will mean that he beat the unstoppable Hillary machine in the nomination process, that gets him some kudos. He has read the constitution, but does not understand it.

Huge Gap

Romney: He is a bot with no beliefs, and no integrity. If he gets elected one can hope that he makes the right decision by accident, or because it is the popular or convenient thing to do at the time.

McCain: He is an authoritarian. He voted drafted a law that is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. He probably has not respect for the 2nd. He has a hair trigger anger problem (important for a man with his finger on the button). He has generally made an ass out of himself trying to get government involved where it has no business. I do respect him as a man greatly; I disdain him as a polititian.

Gap

Hillary: She is a power hungry fascist who is wrong about just about everything. She has no experience governing, and huge amounts of political cunning. She thinks she is royalty, better than other Americans, and that it is her rightful place to govern us lesser beings. She has in her political career shown disdain for the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 10th Amendments. Everything she touched when her rapist husband was in office turned to crap, and she didn’t learn from her mistakes. Well not learning from her mistakes may be a feature not a bug. My favorite thing about her is that a Republican congress would fight her tooth and nail. Also her disdain for average Americans and her disdain for the constitution, and that the average American dislikes her with a passion most of them don’t even understand, may bring about the 2nd American Revolution.

Rudy Guliani: A RINO, He is pretty much the same as Hillary, but he is, if possible, even more corrupt. And worstly about the cross dressing New Yorker, a Republican congress will not likely fight him as they would Hillary. He also has the racist thing going on.

Edwards: Should not be on this list as it is clear he is not really in the running anymore, and is just running for the VP slot. He would still be last on the list though, because of his economic populism.

(Note; Ron Paul is on the list because he does have a chance though unlikely. And if he doesn’t make it on Super Tuesday, he may run 3rd party, in which case I will vote for him, knowing that I will be handing a victory to the Democrats. Fred Thompson maybe should not be on the list, because he is done, but I think that he adds to the list).
More about why Ron Paul is at the top of the list.
The drug war: How many innocent people must be killed to make it harder for you or your brother to get drugs?
The income tax: Every single working Americans 4th and 5th Amendments are violated every year to keep up this monstrosity just to ensure that the Fed has no free market competition.
The Dept of Education: Kids are graduating high school illiterate and people are denied school choice for what? Because the people in Tennessee are too ignorant to run their own education? Is the Federal Govt. really doing a good enough job to prove this true? I don’t think so.
Gun Rights: I believe that if law enforcement is allowed to own weapons and equipment not available to other citizens, then they are not a service to their neighborhood, instead they are an occupying army. Particularly when such rules come from as far away as Washington DC.

Mr. Anonymous’ Honorable Choices, I think are so awesome that they are worth mentioningagain:
Mr Anonymous | January 23, 2008, 3:33pm | #
1. Thompson write-in
2. Paul
3. McCain (hoping that he picks Thompson as VP and, in a "Maverick" moment, resigns just after taking the oath)
4. Obama
5a. The alien who keeps harassing Dennis Kucinich
5b. Dennis Kucinich's Wife
5c. Dennis Kucinich
6. "Mr. Fantastic," Mitt Romney
7. Huckabee
8. John from the Mill
9. Goldwater Village Girl
10. Ferret boy


becca | January 30, 2008, 9:11pm | #

clinton scares me like no otherr.
she is just plain wackedd out.
the thought of obama as president is just as scary.
seriously thoughh, someone with Islamic background?
hello. we just got blown up by those guys.
how silly some people can be sometimes.
i personally favor huckabee. think what you will, but he's as good as we're gonna get.
quite frankly though, every sinlge candidate sucks big time.

Nick Wilson | February 1, 2008, 9:43pm | #

Including the recently departed:

13.) Clinton (0%) creepy, socialist, hawkish, populist and Machiavellian to the core.

12.) Edwards (5%) at least he came around on the war...

11.) Huckabee (7.5%) statist theocrat, who at least wants to get rid of the IRS and talks about progressivism...? Terrible record though (F on fiscal responsibility).

10.) Romney (8%) socially conservative, populist on immigration, doesn't support government restraint. Bad record as governor, although not as bad as Huckabee's, as far as fiscal conservativism (C). Why the hell does any libertarian support him???

9.) Giuliani (10%) creepy, elitist and hawkish but at least socially liberal??

8.) McCain (20%) at least he might get spending under control? And ban torture? Foreign policy is very bad.

7.) Fred Thompson (45%) - the better of the Republican baddies.

6.) Kucinich/Gravel/McKinney (50%) - well meaning, but stupid socialists who have at least the social /political libertarianism, and anti-war stance. Half-right.

5.) Obama (55%) - at least he doesn't support socializing healthcare, advocated for spending database, scores well on all the issues where liberals are libertarian and badly on 70% of the places where they aren't. Hopefully his presidency will be filled with fluff and Congress is controlled by the Republicans.

4.) Obama with Richardson as a running mate (60%) - that will keep Obama's pro-tax, anti-gun policies in check. Heard Dodd was OK, too.

3.) Richardson (65%) - good record as governor, although statist. Social liberal that's also pro-gun and cut taxes.


2.) Obama/Richardson with a Republican Congress

1.) Ron Paul (80%) - not progressive enough, too populist on immigration, needs better environmental stance but other than than, mostly good.

Nick Wilson | February 1, 2008, 9:46pm | #

Make #2 tied with Ron Paul, maybe even above it. That's probably my preferred situation actually.