Have at it. (It's on Fox and I'm listening as I do some other work.)
9:30: "Many of your supporters consider themselves 9/11 Truthers." God bless you, merry moderators.
Republican Debate Thread
Comments to "Republican Debate Thread":
LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 9:02pm | #
Why is FOXNEWS brodcasting CMT right now?SIV | January 10, 2008, 9:03pm | #
National Anthem ........ YES!!!In your face you GODLESS COSMOPOLITANS!!!
P. Vostrel | January 10, 2008, 9:07pm | #
Romney: nice tieLevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 9:07pm | #
Wonder if McCain is going to be an asshole tonight?Jacob | January 10, 2008, 9:08pm | #
I am too busy WORKING HARD FOR THE MONEY, some of which I am putting aside in a special savings account to help pay for Hillary's ideas.cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:08pm | #
McCain - stop the spendingRight. Like the Governator right?
Jacob | January 10, 2008, 9:09pm | #
Ronbot is in attack mode. They better watch out or they will get lynched!Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:09pm | #
The cosmotarians are not pleased... the sound of a thousands microbrews being opened while macbooks are slammed shutMy Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 9:10pm | #
He likes that "make 'em famous" line.Bored with the Miss Congeniality crap from McCain every debate.
eebakcuh | January 10, 2008, 9:11pm | #
Vote time: How many times willA. God
B. Evolution
C. Religion
D. The Bible or
E. The WOT as it pertains to "Islamofascism"
be mentioned here tonight?
John | January 10, 2008, 9:11pm | #
Huckabee: "Health care costs. And another thing, education costs."Thank you for identifying the problem. Solutions?
BakedPenguin | January 10, 2008, 9:12pm | #
Wonder if McCain is going to be an asshole tonight?Don't you mean you "wonder if McCain will act like an asshole tonight? I mean, I don't think there's any doubt he is an asshole
P. Vostrel | January 10, 2008, 9:12pm | #
there's no dynamism in microbrewstheblacks_theblacks!! | January 10, 2008, 9:13pm | #
Ban my name, joe.eebakcuh | January 10, 2008, 9:17pm | #
Here in Arkansas, no kitten, puppy or goldfish will ever be denied an education, healthcare, or possible release from prison should they commit some heinous act against their fellow animals.My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 9:17pm | #
Name drop for the Austrians.Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:18pm | #
Romney looks intrigued!My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 9:18pm | #
Fred Thompson's responses always seem like he is reading a copy and pasted wikipedia article.Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 9:18pm | #
OK, despite the fact that I officially called myself "out" as a Paul backer in another thread, I really, really wish Paul would just stop in the middle of one of his sentences, walk over to Giuliani, say, "Laugh at this, one-ball!" and crack him in his face. BAM!I would seriously donate to the campaign again if he did that.
"Austrian Economics" yes, but he didn't mention Mises by name...
In all seriousness, I'm putting 50/50 odds that Ron Paul melts down if the moderators ask if he's a racist. I'm not sure which way I'd like that to go. On the one hand, Ron Paul is better than all of the other candidates. On the other hand, I've lost almost all faith in his candidacy and seeing him go off the handle about the drug war on The Situation Room was hugely satisfying and I'd love to see him scream at all of the Republican candidates and Fox News hacks on national television.
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:22pm | #
What a huckaphony my skin is crawlinBingo | January 10, 2008, 9:23pm | #
Okay guys which military are we competing with?SIV | January 10, 2008, 9:24pm | #
Romney subsidizes baby-killing with taxpayer $$$Campaign Carl deals Mitt the coup de grace in South Carolina
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:24pm | #
STOP WHINING THOMPSONSIV | January 10, 2008, 9:25pm | #
Go Fred Go!!!n0rd1x | January 10, 2008, 9:26pm | #
Man, what is up with Thompson? Guess the viagra kicked in.Huckabee has used six different god damn folksy analogies to shrug off criticism in every debate.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:27pm | #
Does anyone else think the dual mics look like a pair of fuzzy testicles?cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:27pm | #
Wow! Fred comes alive. They never give him the good questions, glad he demanded the chance to answer it.Maybe the RNC convinced Thompson to take a dive and take Huckabee down with him.
Giuliani needs to stop bugging his eyes out every fifteen seconds.
Uh, so it looks like Ronald Reagan is going to win the nomination.
Paul is looking like a serious candidate. The Truther question was an obvious attempt to make him look fringe-y and answered it well. And he calmly talked about the Fed, which makes him look not crazy.
Fox News is absolutely ridiculous! I'm glad Ron asked to participate in the current discussion. How embarrassing for them to ask that.
I used to respect Carl Cameron...I wouldve expected it from Brit Hume.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:34pm | #
You know, that whole newsletter debacle really doesn't seem that big of a deal compared to the talking points of the other PolsMatt | January 10, 2008, 9:35pm | #
Good on ya, Ron, for sayin please.LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 9:35pm | #
Governor Huckabee, many of your supporters think the earth is six thousand years old. They think science is the "devil" and jews are necessary for the rapture and that is about it. Do you actually believe this and will you tell them to stop voting for you?Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:35pm | #
Ah the Iranians. This should be good.Taliesin | January 10, 2008, 9:36pm | #
Wave that not-yet bloody shirt, ElmerKolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:36pm | #
"Gates of Hell" You get him, Farragut!LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 9:36pm | #
And Huckabee did speak at Hagee's church. Gingrich and McCain have attended as well. They openly court these guys.Congressman Paul, many of your supporters are pedophiles. That being said, why are you a racist? And when will you stop holding dogfights in your Satanic coven?
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:38pm | #
Do we really need to paint every single Iranian as some sort of insane frothing-at-the-mouth ready-to-die lunatic?Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:38pm | #
Damn, what did thompson say that got applause?SIV | January 10, 2008, 9:38pm | #
Giving Paul a chance to disavow the Truthers is a good thing.Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:39pm | #
A nuanced response from Rudy?Did Giuliani just suggest the NIE's report was wrong because of this event?
Taliesin | January 10, 2008, 9:40pm | #
Fred dittoed the Huckster, and made a crack about 40 virgins.Reinmoose | January 10, 2008, 9:40pm | #
Kolohe -He said something about sending those Iranians to the virgins they so look forward to
Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:40pm | #
Good answer from McCain.cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:41pm | #
One more step and the Iranians would be seeing them virgins they've been holdin out for. Great line.Taliesin | January 10, 2008, 9:41pm | #
serious situation of the utmost seriousness...now that's some serious seriousness.Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:43pm | #
They weren't passive they were talking about sending them to hell, arggggghTaliesin | January 10, 2008, 9:44pm | #
Romney, what a scoundrel.MCW | January 10, 2008, 9:44pm | #
BushCo is clearly looking for his Gulf of Tokin. Hello, World War III.oh boy, here's Romney asserting that he would know what to do in Foreign Policy
joe | January 10, 2008, 9:44pm | #
Wow, even the people who laughed at Paul were booing Romney's cheap slur.That guy should just have a blinking sign that reads "a-hole" on his forehead.
Matt | January 10, 2008, 9:45pm | #
Ron couldve done alittle better on the speedboat question.Q | January 10, 2008, 9:46pm | #
Paul should pull an Edward Norton (american history x) on Romney.Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:46pm | #
Decent response from Paul at first.But the part of Paul's answer re: destroyer vs speedboat: USS Cole
He overall response should have condemned the action by Iran but urged caution.
His questioning of what happened is not wrong, but sounds awfully trutherish.
Hume's response was appropriate and Paul muffed it.
But Mitt's response was a cheap shot.
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:46pm | #
Matt: you think? Ron looked like a fool, i was afraid a giant hook was about to come out & yank him.toddb | January 10, 2008, 9:46pm | #
I never pay attention...does McCain always speak this slowly or did he take a few belts before the debate?Anyone who uses the phrase "My Friends" automatically looks old
Matt | January 10, 2008, 9:46pm | #
Yea, Romney gets no love.I like how they keep showing McCain et al. sighing when Ron gives his answers. Think we'll get 'arrogant' sighing stories a la Al Gore 2000 debates? Naaaaaaa.
Patrick O'Connor | January 10, 2008, 9:47pm | #
Emperor McCain!Taliesin | January 10, 2008, 9:47pm | #
So much for the Constitutional concept of civilian leadership of the military, thanks, McSenator.cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:49pm | #
wendell looks like a jester with that tie.Jon | January 10, 2008, 9:49pm | #
Ron couldve done alittle better on the speedboat question.Understatement of the ____. He was at a loss for words on the point that the others supported caution. Did they say something warmongering?
Who else thinks that McCain probably has nudie daddy pictures on his bedroom walls with General Petraeus's face pasted on them?
My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 9:50pm | #
McCain always seems to wink at the camera at strategically the right times.cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:51pm | #
McCain stayed up all night writing the burka joke. so lameFluffy | January 10, 2008, 9:51pm | #
I guess the Huckabee line about blasting Iran and Thompson's laugh line mocking Islam weren't warmongery enough for ya, huh Jon?LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 9:52pm | #
Smackdown on McCain. It was a shitty joke anyway asshole.toddb | January 10, 2008, 9:52pm | #
Go Ron...rockin' this topic!Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:52pm | #
homerun from paulSIV | January 10, 2008, 9:52pm | #
McCain=AssholePaul is doing better explaining his foreign policy than any previous debates.
Mr. Chartreuse | January 10, 2008, 9:52pm | #
Who else thinks that McCain probably has nudie daddy pictures on his bedroom walls with General Petraeus's face pasted on them?That just gave me the best laugh of the day.
You can't ignore those cheers from the Paulistas. God, Fox must hate you people.
Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:53pm | #
Pakistan question.This should be a good contrast with the dem's last week
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:53pm | #
Fred - great dig on NYT!Chris Webb | January 10, 2008, 9:54pm | #
Vote Thompson/Huckabee 2008 for the President/VP of the United States of FUNNYASHELL. I'm rollin' over here.Matt | January 10, 2008, 9:54pm | #
Yeeeowwwwww!not a Paultard, but Ron hits one out of the park...been waiting for that for a while. McCain looked slimy, 'dont want to trade for no burkhas'
Reinmoose | January 10, 2008, 9:54pm | #
Mr. Chartreuse -I'm honored, but it wasn't really a joke ;)
Jay D | January 10, 2008, 9:54pm | #
Paul is doing better explaining his foreign policy than any previous debates.Nothing to lose. He's relaxing up.
Dedalus | January 10, 2008, 9:54pm | #
He overall response should have condemned the action by IranCondemn what action? The Iranians sending a few little mini-boats to check out the massive fucking nuclear attack ships in its backyard? Yeah, how dare the Iranians be concerned! USA! USA! USA!
Does it seem like to anyone else that the candidates have a bunch of one-liners they've prepared before-hand and are just waiting for a chance to use them?
I know John McCain is old, but was he really talking about the Barbary Pirates when asked about his naval service?
Q | January 10, 2008, 9:56pm | #
Why doesn't Ron mention Michael Scheuer when he's talking about foreign policy? I think that would help.Jon | January 10, 2008, 9:56pm | #
Fluffy, they did say that. Touche. But they all said they supported the restraint the Cole's captain showed (as much as you can show being off the coast of a foreign country with a warship).Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:56pm | #
Druth: Huckabee most notably.Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 9:57pm | #
Dedalus-You obviously have no concept of international maritime law nor the principles of good seamanship.
Matt | January 10, 2008, 9:58pm | #
Who the heck is Wendell Goler's tiemaker?joe, don't you understand? Not only did Romney never say anything about not needing foreign policy experience, but he has the *most* foreign policy knowledge of anybody running :)
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 9:58pm | #
Does anyone else just blank out when Huckabee starts talking?Huck blinks more when he's talking about foreign policy. I think he's overcompensating for his usual deer-in-the-headlights look when those things come up.
Dedalus | January 10, 2008, 9:58pm | #
You obviously have no concept of international maritime law nor the principles of good seamanship.Yeah, I'll park my tank in your front yard and aim the cannon at you and you better not peek out the window to see what's going on or I will consider it a provocation and have to shoot you!
dhex | January 10, 2008, 9:58pm | #
God, Fox must hate you people.that's why you keep coming back, joe.
Lost_In_Translation | January 10, 2008, 9:59pm | #
Dedalus,I sail boats in big harbors and when the military vessels are coming in, you steer clear. Even in the US, driving a high speed boat directly at a naval warship will get you blasted. You just don't fucking do it.
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 9:59pm | #
Who the heck is Wendell Goler's tiemaker?Jack Nicholson?
Chris Webb | January 10, 2008, 9:59pm | #
cheers, Cheers, CHEERS.cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:01pm | #
Rudy kissing donor butt now.toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:01pm | #
Good defense from Ron...and they all line up to repeat their neocon talking points..Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:02pm | #
The Strait of Hormuz is an international strait where vessels of any flag or type may effect transit passage unmolested by anyone.I stand by my statement of your knowledge of being a prudent mariner and international law.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:03pm | #
Ron only needed to say about half of what he did, but I think he got his point across.ooooo, Fred Thompson trying to pick on the unconventional candidates! Isn't he the great bully.
Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:03pm | #
Regarding Iran:Doesn't anyone think that maybe, just maybe, the fact that we casually and nonchalantly debate among ourselves whether or not we should bomb Iran and/or invade and occupy her and/or exterminate her people and/or send them all to re-education camps to be converted to Christianity might have something to do with the fact that some members of their flat bottom navy wanted to fuck with us when we were 12 miles off their coast?
What do you think our reaction would be if the Iranian parliament was debating whether or not to attack the United States?
Speaker One: "I say we should bomb just their military installations!"
Speaker Two: "No, that will not work. We need to bomb their nuclear facilities, including power plants!"
Speaker Three: "No, my friends. We can never be safe until all Americans have been re-educated! We must invade and occupy them!"
And so on.
justatroll | January 10, 2008, 10:04pm | #
You obviously have no concept of international maritime law nor the principles of good seamanship.Yeah, your mom knows semen though. Quarts of that shit.
Matt | January 10, 2008, 10:05pm | #
Not bad points by Ron. I wish he'd get a little more forceful here, especially in light of some of the cosmopolitan controversies of the last couple days. something like"they wanna kill their enemies and we keep gettin in the way"
BTW is everyone else waiting for the newsletter question to come up? think it'll be Hume or Wallace?
Reinmoose as John McCain | January 10, 2008, 10:05pm | #
Fluffy! Your assertion that Iranians can feel the same way that we AMERICANS feel is patently offensive, sir!Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:06pm | #
This is also why McCain's answer was the best to the Iran question. He didn't (just) go for being a poseur of being against Iran.He specifically identified the foreign policy geopolitical interest of the US: maintaining freedom of the seas.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:07pm | #
ah yes...changeLevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 10:07pm | #
I think it will be Wendell Goler that asks "the question" if they do. FOX likes to pile it on thick.Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
McCain/Surge '08!cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
My god, McCain needs to get them droopy jowles fixed. He is so dull its painful.pilight | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
What do you think our reaction would be if the Iranian parliament was debating whether or not to attack the United States?What do you think our reaction would be if there was an Iranian warship 12 miles off our coast?
Mr. Chartreuse | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
Fluffy, I think that is the gist of the criticism against US foreign policy. We never walk in the other guy's shoes and think about how we would like it if another country overthrew our government, because we think we're always in the right.joe as Rudi Guiliani | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
You said that Iranians have feelings like we do. That's really an extraordinary statement. I've never heard that before.Franklin Harris | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
Thompson vs. Huckabee -That's a vile, racist slur, and I'm never donating to your campaign again, Fluffy!
CRACKER FIGHT!
What is McCain's "Sheriff" supposed to imply? I don't quite get why he keeps bringing it up.
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:09pm | #
Not to mention 150,00+ Iranian troops directly across our border...toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:09pm | #
This question to huck makes me think ron will get the newsletter questionLost_In_Translation | January 10, 2008, 10:09pm | #
Jesus Christ,We almost blow a small high speed Iranian boat out of the water and we're the ones talking about attacking Iran. You know, I think our military would have been justified, in light of recent events (the USS Cole), destroying that little idiot speedboat, however, why would our destruction of a small speedboat justify us invading another country? Did I just land in Bizarro world?
SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:10pm | #
I'll bet the Ron Paul newsletters never come up.It was in The New Republic fer Christ's sake.
Derrick | January 10, 2008, 10:10pm | #
BTW is everyone else waiting for the newsletter question to come up?From what I know of the Fox News audience, I kinda think racist statements would be a selling point with them.
Lost_In_Translation | January 10, 2008, 10:11pm | #
pilight,We'd probably point a whole bunch of guns at it and make sure it stay 12 miles off our shore.
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:11pm | #
I love how they keep setting up Huckaphony to be smacked by Fred.joe as Rudi Guiliani | January 10, 2008, 10:12pm | #
I'm just glad Thompson doesn't answer questions by saying things like "Well, when the possum and the hound dog meet under the porch..." any more.alan | January 10, 2008, 10:12pm | #
Vote time: How many times willA. God
B. Evolution
C. Religion
D. The Bible or
E. The WOT as it pertains to "Islamofascism"
F. Reagan
be mentioned here tonight?
This being Reason we should snort a line of coke every time any of those are mentioned.
Gene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:12pm | #
I'll bet the Ron Paul newsletters never come up.It was in The New Republic fer Christ's sake.
That would be nice, but it's unrealistic to think Fox would purposely pass on an opportunity to smear Ron Paul. Fox thrives on "gotcha" questions, especially if they are aimed at Ron Paul.
Lost_In_Translation | January 10, 2008, 10:13pm | #
Derrick,Joe likes a good pig wrestling match as much as the rest of us.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:13pm | #
McCain should just say he's going to authorize a surge at everything.Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:13pm | #
Huckabee: "I raised taxes so children could play on highways. Or something."Matt | January 10, 2008, 10:13pm | #
>>>It was in The New Republic fer Christ's sakeCNN covered it today and Crabcakes Cameron asked Paul a truther question.
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:13pm | #
huck goes for the class warfare crowd again.Derrick | January 10, 2008, 10:14pm | #
Joe likes a good pig wrestling match as much as the rest of us.You're right. He seems to be having as much fun as the rest of us. I retract my question.
Now if I actually had a TV I could see what's going on...
Gene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:14pm | #
This being Reason we should snort a line of coke every time any of those are mentioned.Cocaine is sooooo cosmopolitan.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:14pm | #
Welcome to the Republican all comic review....joe | January 10, 2008, 10:15pm | #
"...is to take the change out of your pocket."tink tink tink.
Sorry, Mr. Mayor, I dropped my pin.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:15pm | #
"the democrats are gonna take the change out of yer pocket" Thanks RudySeriously, all these guys with the one liners its worse than Hit n Run
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:15pm | #
jeez, again with the arab princeSIV | January 10, 2008, 10:15pm | #
Gene,South Carolina is the debate audience. They are used to accusations of racism. It wouldn't be a smear. The newsletter issue is small potatoes outside cosmotarian circles.
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:16pm | #
Rudy: I have personally assaulted at least half of the world's heads of state.joe | January 10, 2008, 10:16pm | #
Gee, what did you all think of McCain's "not for profit, but for patriotism" line?B+? A-?
Fluffy | January 10, 2008, 10:16pm | #
I don't get why no one asks Rudy why he thinks it's great that he took money out of the pockets of a charity effort so that he could feel good about himself.alan | January 10, 2008, 10:16pm | #
Mr. Chartreuse | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #Fluffy, I think that is the gist of the criticism against US foreign policy. We never walk in the other guy's shoes and think about how we would like it if another country overthrew our government, because we think we're always in the right.
Funny how Cosmotarian foreign policy mirrors the desensitized and bigoted towards the rest of the world foreign policy of these Neocons. Is that Cosmopolite? Think not.
Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:17pm | #
What do you think our reaction would be if there was an Iranian warship 12 miles off our coast?Straits of Hormuz is an INTERNATIONAL STRAIT!
We have an international strait as well. It's called Strait of Juan de Fuca. And you know what happens? Dozens of ships including military ones of every type and of numerous different nationalities pass though w/o incident every single fucking day.
This is what happens in countries that act like grown-ups have an international strait on their maritime boundaries.
(Postscript: I desire neither naval conflict with the Iran, nor any other type of armed conflict, nor the U.S participation in any kind of regime change.)
I would like to see Paul get angry, and really light into these guys, but I don't think he has it in him.He has valid points up there, but he's a little too "Frank Perdue" to make them stick. Still, I give him credit for trying.
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:17pm | #
Is McCain not the most mind-numbingly dull orator?Reinmoose as John McCain | January 10, 2008, 10:17pm | #
My friends, I'm going to have to give you a little straight-talk. I am so horribly condescending it makes my opponents want to kick me to the ground and stone me to death.cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:17pm | #
women need to submit? Fox introducing a bit o' S & M? I love it.sage | January 10, 2008, 10:17pm | #
McCain looks he stepped out of the grave to take a piss.Remember when Guiliani had the Red Sox hat on? He needs two of those hats: one to shit in and the other to cover it up with.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:18pm | #
Did RP wander off the stage or something?....n0rd1x | January 10, 2008, 10:18pm | #
I feel the TNR question coming ontoddb | January 10, 2008, 10:18pm | #
Wow....I need to go hug my wife...cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
oh my god, huckster had a great opportuntiy, and he blows it with scripture.Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
gotta say Huck gets credit for clearing that upGene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
South Carolina is the debate audience. They are used to accusations of racism. It wouldn't be a smear. The newsletter issue is small potatoes outside cosmotarian circles.The question would be for the benefit of the debate audience, it would be to get massive airplay across the nation and be political Viagra for bloggers at Little Green Footballs and Red State.
Chris Webb | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
"Do you have any, sir?" DICK!alan | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
Cocaine is sooooo cosmopolitan.Those cosmopolitans picked it up from us double shift working proletarians.
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
Kolohe --And how many of those foreign navies operating near the U.S. are from governments that regularly threaten to annihilate the U.S., or have invaded and occupied two of our closest neighbors?
Kolohe, when's the last time a middle eastern military vessel passed through the strait of juan de fuca?
joe | January 10, 2008, 10:19pm | #
No no, Huckabee's right about that. But he should have added that you have to switch off once in a while to keep things from getting boring.Huh? He meant what?
Naw, that's just nuts.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:20pm | #
Good....RP with some edgeMr. Chartreuse | January 10, 2008, 10:20pm | #
Cosmopolite....is that the drink or the magazine?Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:20pm | #
Paul is definitely "finding his voice" as they saythe chad | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
sage: nice.even the straight of hormuz would be more of a threat.
Gene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
Yes! Ron Paul is going for the offensive for once.SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
Ron is kicking ass by expectation standards.Lost_In_Translation | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
charlie,You're not going to win this argument. This wasn't a defensive action by Iran, standing off to make sure the warship stayed in international waters, this was harassment, and those little speedboats risked getting their ass blown to kingdom come for no good reason.
BG | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
"Congressman Paul, a general question about electability; do you have any sir?"Nothing subtle about that.
He handled it well, mostly, though I cringed a little at the "empire" thing.
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
God, I love pissed off Ron PaulQ | January 10, 2008, 10:21pm | #
Ron just stuck his foot in that guy's rectum.Chris Webb | January 10, 2008, 10:22pm | #
"Borrow money from China to give to Pakistan... to promote democracy in Iraq?"Dead on, Mr. RP.
Anyone else feel that whenever he gets right on the issue, that damn bell rings and says "No mas!"?
BTW, an English teacher for the death of the DoE!
Why didn't he mention 20,000 donations totally 6 million in ONE DAY???? We the people...
joe | January 10, 2008, 10:22pm | #
Paul's bit about borrowing money from the Chinese, through gong to war to bring democracy to Iran, was brilliant. And he it's the last thing before the break.Oh yeah. They're gonna bring up the newsletters.
Reinmoose as Hilary Clinton | January 10, 2008, 10:22pm | #
Paul is definitely "finding his voice" as they sayActually, Kolohe, that's what I said.
Ha, HA-HA-HA!
My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 10:22pm | #
Damn, Ron knocked it outChris | January 10, 2008, 10:23pm | #
I think TNR woke up the beast.Notice how none of the other candidates raised objections when Paul said he is the most conservative guy on the stage.
LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 10:23pm | #
Yup that newsletter was the best and worst thing that ever happened to him. It really fucks his chances but the whole ordeal really pissed him off and he doesn't like these shitty questions.Ron Paul Smack down... The rest of those clowns should be ashamed. The line about borrowing 10 million from China so that we can hand it over to a military dictator... priceless!
Brad | January 10, 2008, 10:23pm | #
Paul is irritating the others. Keeps reminding them what real conservativism looks like. If he would only go away...we could get back to neo-con nirvanaKolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:23pm | #
sage-not sure about middle eastern, but IIRC there have been both Chinese and Russian warships over the last few years.
(IIRC caveat- not sure if they visited Pacnorwest; they may have only come to Southern California and/or Hawaii)
The only reason Ron Paul hasn't said "fuck you people" is because he's more a gentleman than I.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:24pm | #
joe: They've had a nasty question for each candidate so far (McCain representing the establishment, the Huckabee submit thing) so there is no question that they're going to bring it up.Although all of Paul's questions have been nasty so who knows.
SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:24pm | #
Do you get the Dr Hugh Cort for President ads or are those on my local cable system?Chris Webb | January 10, 2008, 10:24pm | #
Betting vs. the question coming up this time.The Chad | January 10, 2008, 10:26pm | #
I like McCain on the border. Go high tech, and we don't need to build a wall, or waste peoples money. UAVs on patrolChris | January 10, 2008, 10:26pm | #
Dr. Paul's debate Questions:Do you denounce your crank supporters as cranks?
Why are you here?
And....
Let me guess... When did you stop being a racist?
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:27pm | #
Doesn't the Iranian boat thing prove to us that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be stationing heavy military firepower half-way around the world? I'm sure the Iranians are a bunch of idiotic punks, but is that worth risking an all-out conflict? Every day we have American warships in the Gulf we risk a war. An American government actually committed to the defense of America would have those ships in the Gulf of Mexico -- not the Persian Gulf.Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:27pm | #
Weak rambling answer from McCain on the border thing.Wow they really don't stop trying to single Paul out... why would Fox exclude him he actually makes the damn debate interesting!
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:27pm | #
Mitt fears the Paul!!!SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:27pm | #
I'll say it again the newsletter issue will not be raised by the moderators. The candidates have no reason either. TNR thinks all these guys are racist.David | January 10, 2008, 10:29pm | #
The only reason Ron Paul hasn't said "fuck you people" is because he's more a gentleman than I.This is why our primary process sucks. The Italian equivalent to Ron Paul would've smashed that podium over McCain's smirking face.
I can't wait to hear Rudy lie about NYC being a sanctuary city.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:30pm | #
I think he gets the question...I just wish he would go with some variation of "I screwed up" and then go straight on the offensive with his public record and statements. He has been to equivocal in his answers so far.
Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:31pm | #
Doesn't the Iranian boat thing prove to us that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be stationing heavy military firepower half-way around the world?Well, this was part of Paul's answer on the immigration question.
Chris Webb | January 10, 2008, 10:32pm | #
Guys, I heard something during the Town Hall meeting about immigration and a point was made about Canada vs. Mexico---anyone remember what that was? I don't want to go and watch that whole thing over again right now...pilight | January 10, 2008, 10:32pm | #
Funny how they stop trying to be Reagan when immigration comes up."If there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here"
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:32pm | #
huckster panders, they outta live in the light, not the darkness. Yes, everybody's legalBingo | January 10, 2008, 10:32pm | #
Paul did good job on the immigration question.LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 10:33pm | #
Did Huckabee just gaffe?OohOooh the Gorilla | January 10, 2008, 10:34pm | #
Maybe they should just all fling feces at each other.I demand you take back that comparison of Republicans to my kind, you speciest!
joe | January 10, 2008, 10:34pm | #
Illegal immigrants! On the streets!I guess that's how you have to phrase it with this crowd.
I swear to God I was not being humane!
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:34pm | #
rudy shut the fuck up.javier | January 10, 2008, 10:34pm | #
no newsletterKolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:35pm | #
Rudy's answer I think was the best, but only because it's pretty much what I thinkChris | January 10, 2008, 10:35pm | #
I like Ron Paul Prime.WTF a vote text, waffles... I guess they never learn.
The Chad | January 10, 2008, 10:36pm | #
Why can't illegal immigrants just be made to take a citizenship test? If they can't, then kick them out.If people want to be in America, they should want to be American. They are here to get a piece of the American dream, to join enjoy capitalism
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:36pm | #
Good night for Paul!...as opposed to goodnight for Paulcharlie | January 10, 2008, 10:36pm | #
Any thoughts on why Fox didn't bring the newsletter "thing"? I mean, they already called him an unelectable 9/11 truther, why not just go for the jugular?Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
4 quatloos that Paul wins the post debate text poll.double or nothing that this result is 'adjusted' by Fox news when they report the result
The Chad | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
The foxnews debate: brought to you by Thompson for PrezSIV | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
I was right about no newsletter questions.There is no issue there outside small circles.
Now if Paul got the GOP nomination.......
ain't gonna happen!
Paul kicked ass relatively speaking, he needs to keep running through to the convention just to piss people off and get the message out.
cold666pack | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
it's UMER, not humor in SC.Gene Trosper | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
Knock me over with a feather. No newsletter questions.One of Rudy's advisors was on the daily show last night. Jon Stewart pointed out that Ron Paul is the most conservative of the GOP candidates yet he was excluded from the debate the other day. The guy said something like "Ron Paul - the more you know him - is a pretty disturbing guy." Stewart said something like "UH, you should take a look at your guy." It was good.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
Thompson lovefestgrue | January 10, 2008, 10:37pm | #
sage | January 10, 2008, 10:29pm | #im n yr db8 kckn yr ases
Did I do that right?
Nope. Remember, your capslock key is cruise control for cool.
PAUL PWNED.
javier | January 10, 2008, 10:38pm | #
F*ck you Frank!!!!Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:38pm | #
so far, only the younger white woman sounds like an actual South CarolinianDedalus | January 10, 2008, 10:38pm | #
Any thoughts on why Fox didn't bring the newsletter "thing"?Because only TNR and certain Reason types are obsessed with it and normal people view its (lack of) relevance in perspective?
joe | January 10, 2008, 10:38pm | #
charlie, I can only assume they thought it would help him.Ohnoes teh EmEssEm be callin me rassist! might get the crowd on his side.
LevStrauss | January 10, 2008, 10:39pm | #
Drugs are rampant in Luntz's studio. Fred won? Even if I was a Neocon Fred would have had me snoring.My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 10:39pm | #
F*** you FrankFUCKYOUFRANK | January 10, 2008, 10:39pm | #
FUCK YOU FRANK!n0rd1x | January 10, 2008, 10:39pm | #
Of course Ron Paul was the loser. Frank Luntz what a dope.The Chad | January 10, 2008, 10:39pm | #
Wow, my last comment applies even more.My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 10:41pm | #
LOL @ FRANKSo, Dedalus, is CNN part of the Reason empire, or a subsidiary of the New Repubic?
Eric Dondero | January 10, 2008, 10:41pm | #
Oh my Gosh. The entire South Carolina panel for Frank Luntz post-Debate, every single hand held up high in the sky, pronounced "Ron Paul as the Loser." Luntz said, "there you have it, the big loser of the night is Ron Paul."Libertarian movement this is real bad. We need to mainstream libertarians ASAP! away from the Paul-itarian approach. It ain't working for us.
This was the most monumental denuciation of a Libertarian ever by mainstream Americans.
SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:41pm | #
The Truther question is good for Paul.Those people are on the ground with/as his supporters. He should disavow their belief on a regular basis so sympathetic voters won't think he supports their views.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:41pm | #
"he needs to keep running through to the convention just to piss people off and get the message out." yep...which is what this has been about all along...wishful thinking notwithstandinghaha. The question and answer session thing after the debate: Hilarious.
My Name Is Robert | January 10, 2008, 10:43pm | #
Dungdero making an appearance.Isaac Bartram | January 10, 2008, 10:43pm | #
Condemn what action? The Iranians sending a few little mini-boats to check out the massive fucking nuclear attack ships in its backyard? Yeah, how dare the Iranians be concerned! USA! USA! USA!No shit!!
Can you imagine what kind of USN flotilla would show up (quite properly, I might add) if a squadron of foreign warships showed up a few hundred miles off our coast.
I'm not watching the debate but that was my reaction when I heard the report on NPR this AM.
joe | January 10, 2008, 10:43pm | #
This was the most monumental denuciation of a Libertarian ever by mainstream Americans.What, did they truck some into Strom Thurmond country?
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:43pm | #
Eric --Since when did a fucking Fox News Republican focus group represent "mainstream America"? Much less a Fox News focus group hand-selected by Frank Luntz?
The Chad | January 10, 2008, 10:44pm | #
isaac: very few. but then the USN would have taken out this squadron before it even came close.Matt H | January 10, 2008, 10:45pm | #
Luntz's last group were all for Romney in New Hampshire, that worked out wellBingo | January 10, 2008, 10:45pm | #
Dondero, I forget who said it but someone a few days ago mentioned that the election is about who makes people feel good, not about ideas.Paul isn't the most eloquent speaker but he gets the raw message out and the message excites people. Which is a hell of a lot more than you've done for the libertarian movement.
Anyways in a few years some cosmotarian will run and be eloquent and dashing. He'll sweep the public off their feet and do the whole "superman flying under a moonlit sky" thing with them and they will love it. But he won't be able to do it without Paul making a run this year.
Dodsworth | January 10, 2008, 10:46pm | #
LOL. Dondero thinks Frank Luntz is a reliable source.Dedalus | January 10, 2008, 10:46pm | #
So, Dedalus, is CNN part of the Reason empire, or a subsidiary of the New Repubic?Did you watch it, smart guy?
Here's a summation:
Wolf: So this racist stuff about you is all bullshit, right?
Ron Paul: Totally.
Wolf: Cool.
DonderoForPrez | January 10, 2008, 10:47pm | #
DONDERO FOR PRESIDENT!DONDERO 2012!
WAR AND ABORTIONS FOR ALL!
RP > Neocons | January 10, 2008, 10:47pm | #
Ron Paul RWNED this debate. He tore these neocons a new ahole...I actually feel sorry for them...(nnnot )NEXT MONEYBOMB...MLK DAY BABY
http://www.freeatlast2008.com/
To all the trolls that have tried to sidetrack RP's campaign, to Dondero, to Edweirdo...YOU FAIL, ...AT LIFE. Full steam ahead baby.
toddb | January 10, 2008, 10:47pm | #
OK...so they are saving the newsletter stuff for Hannity...assuming that they have Paul up for a chatSIV | January 10, 2008, 10:47pm | #
Ohnoes teh EmEssEm be callin me rassist! might get the crowd on his side.joe,
You are partially right here. South Carolina GOP voters are widely regarded as racists by liberal yankees and cosmopolitans. Accusing Paul might make them more sympathetic. Sort of like yelling "Iron My Shirt !" at Hillary with women voters..
Dodsworth | January 10, 2008, 10:47pm | #
According to to Dondero the great cosmotorian is now running. He is that great friend of tolerance, Benito.Joe Allen | January 10, 2008, 10:47pm | #
RP kicked ass! Damn, I'm proud of that guy.Where's my wallet?
Geoff | January 10, 2008, 10:48pm | #
This was the most monumental denuciation of a Libertarian ever by mainstream Americans....and I haven't heard a bigger load of shit since the last time you posted, Dondero. I'm on the fence about Paul, but your utter faith in Luntz and a couple dozen people is rather weak regardless of whether or not I support the campaign.
You're just looking for any straw you can grasp onto and twist, aren't you?
!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOOOREDNOD
charlie | January 10, 2008, 10:48pm | #
I'd just love to see Eric Dondero go on national television and do his whole pro-Muslim genocide schtick just to see how "mainstream America" would react.Oh wait, I forgot, Giuliani has already been doing that...
Reinmoose as Mitt Romney | January 10, 2008, 10:48pm | #
Not only do I now support Reagans policies, but I support them more than any other candidate!Not only have I not pulled out of South Carolina, but I am running harder here than any other candidate!
Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:48pm | #
Mr Bartram-Can you imagine driving a semi on a public rural road, and have a bunch of rednecks come out of the woods on ATV's and drive right at you?
I don't like his latent racism, but I love his latent trutherism.
Pump up the Antiwar Dems for Ron Paul in MI, since they got their delegates stripped. Thanks Sean!
Tim | January 10, 2008, 10:50pm | #
Holy Shit, Fox News is awesome. You know in the movie "Private Parts" where it talks about Howard Stern's largest audience are the people who hate him and the reason they listen to him to hear what he will say next?I think I am like that with fox news. I find myself watching the O'Rielly factor more and more because it is so funny. PINHEADS OF THE DAY!!! hahaha. so sweet.
That Focus group was seriously awesome.
Sooooo, what happens when Ron Paul wins the text poll? Do they just not show the results for the sake of Sean Hannity's health?
SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:51pm | #
Romney was the real loser tonight.I wish Huck was too.
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:51pm | #
Guys back off, this is the same Eric Dondero that helped the Libertarian Party get a whopping .5% in the general election! Obviously a master of political strategyKolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:51pm | #
Can you imagine driving a semi on a public rural road,Make that a Stryker, the analogy works better.
dondero4prez | January 10, 2008, 10:52pm | #
DONDERO! HE'S CATCHIN' ON!phalkor | January 10, 2008, 10:53pm | #
Gadzooks! Right after the debate a room of 20 or so people who all agree that Ron "lost" the debate??? Say it isn't so! Or am I naive in thinking that fox new is unbiased?Chris | January 10, 2008, 10:53pm | #
Can you imagine driving a semi on a public rural roadNo, I've seen Pet Semetary.
JR | January 10, 2008, 10:53pm | #
And here's simon bar sinister.Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:54pm | #
I agree Mitt is toast.They all ('cept Paul) got off half-assed one liners, but Romney's were fully-assed.
Truther | January 10, 2008, 10:54pm | #
If I'm a '9/11 skeptic' does that make me a '9/11 truther'?And was I a 'Saddam doesn't has WMD' truther when I didn't believe that story either?
And is Lee Hamilton now a "truther" when he recently said the White House withheld information from the 9/11 Commission for their investigation? Need clarification on this.
Dodsworth | January 10, 2008, 10:54pm | #
Yes, cut Dondero some slack. He left the Paul campaign because of those racist newletters......oops I forgot Dondero left because Paul had "changed" his foreign policy and only cared about the racist newsletters (which he helped prepare) when they became an ssue.sine | January 10, 2008, 10:54pm | #
Hey URKOBOLD people, can you post an FAQ or primer or something on cosmopolitarianism (sic) for those of us who are out of the loop?Cheers.
Peter | January 10, 2008, 10:55pm | #
Um Ron needs to mention that all the other candidates answer to immigration is to spend more money were as Paul's is not only more effective it will cost us less money.Geoff | January 10, 2008, 10:56pm | #
So......did anyone else catch the overt racism in McCain's 'burqa' line?
Lost_In_Translation | January 10, 2008, 10:57pm | #
If I'm a '9/11 skeptic' does that make me a '9/11 truther'?If you believe that planes did not fly into the World Trade Center, you might be a truther...
If you can't understand the temperature at which jet fuel burns might create enough heat to collapse building supports, you might be a turther...
if you lack a basic understanding of demolition, you might be a truther.
Dodsworth | January 10, 2008, 10:57pm | #
Please note that McCain has still not fully apologized for his post-newsletter Gook comment.SIV | January 10, 2008, 10:58pm | #
Kolohoe,As I said earlier, highlighting RomneyCare= taxpayer funded baby killing is a death sentence in the SC GOP.
libertreee@charter.net | January 10, 2008, 10:58pm | #
Hey- I only caught the last ten minutes. Listening to Rudy Corleone:Rudy--I can talk to Mushareff, and he will get Bin Laden. (I'll make him an offer he can't refuse.).
I am best buds with the President of Israel. We have a special relationship with Israel. They are our biggest allies.
( Hyman Roth is my friend. You will do nothing to hurt Hyman Roth.
Kolohe | January 10, 2008, 10:59pm | #
The fundamental problem with the Republicans is that Reagan's vision of the free world struggle against communism was basically correct.Trying to apply this same vision to "the war on terror" is not only incorrect, it is counterproductive.
Frederick Paxson | January 10, 2008, 10:59pm | #
FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do is check his record to see this.During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under. Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire need to secure our borders and control immigration.
I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration reform; revitalization of America’s armed forces; saving and protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth. These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to fix anything.
Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment — all concepts established during the birth of our country and documented in our Constitution.
Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to “fix” this country. You will find they all speak in vague and abstract terms on their plans.
For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn’t shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other words, he doesn’t say what the voters want to hear just to get elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.
During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence committees.
As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government’s attempt to influence American policies and elections, and this investigation identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented in the committee’s report).
As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent and unwavering.
Don’t be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his “laziness.” As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness this country needs in order to tackle today’s and tomorrow’s issues.
I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then take a hard look at all the other candidates’ views, policies, their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness, all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best person to take this country boldly forward.
Please help Fred win in South Carolina:
https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791
Bingo | January 10, 2008, 10:59pm | #
cosmotarians are the coke-snorting limpwristers of the libertarian movement that are afraid of adversity and controversy. Spend most of their time attached to their macbooks typing up policy papers in their hip urban fla