New at Reason
Katherine Mangu-Ward turns her frown upside down and researches the newest thinking about the "suicide gene."
Comments to "New at Reason":
I think the test should be available, even though people wouldn't know how to interprete it. Many people have difficulty understanding degrees of risk. They just lump things into safe vs deadly. That's why they won't distinguish between smokeless tobacco, pipe tobacco, and cigarettes. They also expect 100% certainty from scientific tests while this test just gives degrees of maybe. People who have trouble with these concepts aren't ready to use the genetic tests. However, the solution is better statistics education, not a ban on the test.
parse | October 2, 2007, 8:04am | #
Some people, like the doctor quoted above, are worried that the public can't be trusted to understand the limitations of such tests, or comprehend of the state of the academic research.This seems to mischaracterize the position of Douglas Levinson, the doctor who was quoted. He said, “Depression causes suicidal feelings. Whether there are additional people who got them because of the treatment rather than the depression they are experiencing has not been easy to establish.”
Levinson described his own opinion about the usefulness of the test, concluding that it is not presently a clinically useful tool. So far as I can tell, he didn't discuss the likelihood that the public would misunderstand the results.
BakedPenguin | October 2, 2007, 8:23am | #
...and my do a great deal of good. There are so many antipepression drugs...Spellcheck, Katherine.
Obviously, BakedPenguin has never known the trauma and heartbreak of seeing a loved one suffer from pepression.
Is it Painless? | October 2, 2007, 10:38am | #
Suicide Kings?Suicide Girls?
Suicidal Tendencies?
Suicide Machines?
Stats 101 | October 2, 2007, 10:43am | #
These genes could be correlated to something else, such as a predisposition to get medical help for mental illness.They aren't doing an epidemiological study of the whole population, identifying members with suicidal thoughts and running correlations on their gene sequences. These folks are self-selected as seeking help for depression, removing the assumption of independence, right?
DEMAND KURV | October 2, 2007, 11:07am | #
it's a little more complex than "correlations", but thank you for playing.Ralphy | October 2, 2007, 12:35pm | #
I just watched a long speach about dialetic-behavioral therapy on the TV; the psychologist giving the speach made the point that we don't really know anything, scientifically, about suicidal people because anyone deemed at risk of suicide is always eliminated from double-blind studies...She also said that it is a myth that depression alone causes suicide. According to her, only about 20%-30% of suicidal people are depressed. Something like 5%-10% have impulse control problems
Stevo Darkly | October 2, 2007, 12:48pm | #
Wow, Dan T. says something good that makes me laugh out loud! And possibly even wins the thread.Just for that, I'm calling off the assassins.
daniel k | October 2, 2007, 1:43pm | #
they can have my suicide genes when they pry them out of my cold, dead dna.Also, the most recent research indicates suicide genes and erection capability are intimately connected.
Edward | October 2, 2007, 1:49pm | #
My God, a suicide gene might explain why otherwise intelligent people latch on to candidates like Ron Paul. A possible flaw in this hypothesis is the "otherwise intelligent" part, but it's worth investigating. Could libertarians have a genetic prediposition to opt for political suicide?Edward | October 2, 2007, 1:49pm | #
Sorry, predisposition.Hunter | October 3, 2007, 12:33pm | #
Pretty cool study, and I must say I'm pleased they narrowed their target gene population down to 68 from the 10,000+ you often see in this sort of work. This actually makes it probable the results are valid. Add to this that I'm actually working on GRIK2 and my results tend to lend support what they observed here and I think they might actually be on to something.All this work on glutamate in depression may be transformative, as most present treatments (including citalopram, the drug in this study)focus on serotonin or noradrenalin, and seem to take weeks to months to have an effect. On the other hand, ketamine, which is an antagonist at the NMDA subclass of glutamate receptors, seems to act almost immediately and have lasting effects from a single small dose.