New at Reason
Indur M. Goklany says don't be so glum. Mankind has never had it better.
Comments to "New at Reason":
skeptic | March 23, 2007, 4:50pm | #
The author saysEqually important, the world is more literate and better educated than ever.
Well, we definitely have a wider distribution of seat-time in public schools and more stringent compulsory attendance laws. And that's good.
But I'm not so sure we're doing a great job with all of the time we're
Gamito | March 23, 2007, 5:03pm | #
Environmentalists and globalization foes are united in their fear that greater population and consumption of energy, materials, and chemicals accompanying economic growth, technological change and free trade —the mainstays of globalization— degrade human and environmental well-being.That is their belief. Actually, that is their dogma. Come to think of it, environmentalists and globalization foes are doing nothing else than following their new religion: misanthropism.
Larry Edelstein | March 23, 2007, 5:04pm | #
If this article included sources for its statistics, I could send it to people with more confidence that it would be convincing.Overall the article strikes me a bit strangely. It doesn't go very deep, does it? It asks an interesting question (why have some parts of the world lagged behind), and then purports to hint at the answer. I guess it did, but why not more detail?
Overall it just doesn't cover much new ground to readers of this publication, and it doesn't include the sources that would make it more valuable as advocacy journalism.
Larry Edelstein | March 23, 2007, 5:05pm | #
Hmm, I seem to be covered in overalls. Oops...Ridgley | March 23, 2007, 5:19pm | #
The notion that Americans (in particular) have never been more free is wrong and ridiculous. Our privacy and rights are being violated in news and important ways every day, mostly due to the technology of the last 20 years (ie computers) and especially because of the Patriot Act.This author is clearly full of shit.
Gimme Back My Dog | March 23, 2007, 5:33pm | #
Ridgley,While I agree that the US is going in the wrong direction, the author is talking about freedom worldwide. Can you point to a time when there was more freedom of mankind in general?
Ridgley | March 23, 2007, 5:41pm | #
Gimme Back My Dog wrote:> Can you point to a time when there was more
> freedom of mankind in general?
Easily--the 1800s. People were not relentlessly tracked by computers. They were not relentlessly subject to nationalism and national laws. They could build truly new lives somewhere else and were not subject to a multitude of governmental regulations and restrictions. They did not have to be rich in order to be free.
VM | March 23, 2007, 5:45pm | #
but you had to be white... (at least for the first half.)if you were female, you were free not to vote.
jp | March 23, 2007, 5:48pm | #
Nice work, highnumber.I think that's a sign that we could all use a weekend open thread right about now. (A real open thread, not one limited to presidential candidates or some other painful subject that I can't be bothered to think about for two more years.)
highnumber | March 23, 2007, 5:49pm | #
I'll take now over then for anything.
D.A. Ridgely | March 23, 2007, 5:56pm | #
"Ridgley"? "Ridgley? Obviously a rank impostor.highnumber | March 23, 2007, 6:01pm | #
Infidel!highnumber | March 23, 2007, 6:03pm | #
Sorry, I'm not sure if that's directed to faux-D.A.R., VM, or ultron. Whichever of you is feeling bad about yourself, take it.VM | March 23, 2007, 6:09pm | #
thanks!I got this one.
(however, despite the gray clouds and rain, the lake remains breathtaking!)
AstroPaul | March 23, 2007, 6:10pm | #
Just a quick correction -- the article uses the conversion from leaded to unleaded gasoline as an example of technology transfer, citing "the technology to remove lead from gasoline"; however, lead is not a natural component of gasoline, but was deliberately ADDED to gasoline to reduce knocking and raise the octane rating of the fuel. So the technology in question isn't some kind of lead-filtering, but a knowledge of OTHER gasoline additives which have the same effect without the environmental hazards.Ridgely, in the 19th century most people on the planets were serfs, totally at the mercy of despots, taxed to the breaking-point and without any freedom of speech or religion whatsoever. But sure, passports weren´t needed so if they could escape their masters, they could go be serfs somewhere else.
NoStar | March 23, 2007, 6:19pm | #
A huge cage is being assembled around us, but it can still be argued that we remain free.However, even after the door is closed and the padlock snapped shut, some will say, "We are still free. After all, it is a very big cage and it provides safety from the monsters outside the cage."
D.A. Ridgely | March 23, 2007, 6:26pm | #
Hey VM, for some reason that burqa link reminded me of a pic that was circulating around the internet a few months ago titled "Most Pointless Family Photo Ever" -- One guy surrounded by about a dozen burqa clad women all smiling at the camera, waving. Wish I could find the damned thing now; I'd love to make a print.BTW, this "Ridgley" business makes me feel a bit like I should expect a Rod Serling voice-over any minute now.
VM | March 23, 2007, 6:34pm | #
Hi DAR!Will look for said photo. sounds like fun!
this might explain the "Ridgley" business better!
Jose | March 23, 2007, 6:38pm | #
Sure, in some senses no one was ever as free as the trappers in the old west - there was no law out there at all, so in a sense they were completely free from government in their daily lives.The reality is, however, that we have vastly more freedom today, primarily because of economic growth and technological advancements. I am free to get on a plane tommorrow and fly to Africa. Could your 1800's mountain man?
Basically, as far as I can tell, I am free to do whatever the hell I want. I can't remember the last time I was prevented from doing something I wanted to do...
Larry Edelstein | March 23, 2007, 6:43pm | #
Highnumber might be found here or here.To amend what AstroPaul said, the lead added to gasoline deactivates the catalytic converters used to de-toxify auto emissions.
Eric Idle | March 23, 2007, 6:46pm | #
Luxury.There were 37 of us, living in a box, in the middle of the motorway.
We used to get up in the morning a half an hour before we went to bed.
NoStar | March 23, 2007, 6:52pm | #
Jose,Last year I could make a day trip north to Canada and return without a passport. This seems to be a very real loss of freedom.
If you do make plans to fly to Africa, you could be denied access to the plane because you share a name with a suspected terrorist, or because you post on a blog site known to be frequented by anti-authority types, or for unknown reasons that do not have to be explained to you by those who are in control and do not have to tell you the nature of the crimes you are suspected of, or even site the law that gives them the power to detain you from your travels.
But, like I said earlier, "..,it is a very big cage..."
highnumber | March 23, 2007, 7:00pm | #
Larry E,Is this the Missus?
Does she sing?
jp was right.
Woo-hoo! Weekend!
Rex Rhino | March 23, 2007, 7:06pm | #
The notion that Americans (in particular) have never been more free is wrong and ridiculous. Our privacy and rights are being violated in news and important ways every day, mostly due to the technology of the last 20 years (ie computers) and especially because of the Patriot Act.In general, I agree with you. The exception being WWII (and to some extent the years just prior). During WWII, the U.S. had mass internment of ethnic groups, all radio and print were by the government, all natural resources were strictly rationed, comsumer goods were strictly rationed, taxes where damn near total, the government could arbitrarily select anyone for military duty, all mail could be opened and read without warrent, etc., etc.
The U.S. is certainly freer, in every sense of the word, now than it was during WWII.
D.A. Ridgely (accept no substitute!) | March 23, 2007, 7:06pm | #
One of these may be Larry EdelsteinSee, that's why I never go to those Reason gatherings.
Stevo Darkly | March 23, 2007, 7:14pm | #
Mr. VM:That was the best damn burqa picture I've ever seen. Thank you very much.
I'll be in my bunk.
highnumber | March 23, 2007, 7:24pm | #
Say what you will about the voiceforschoolchoice nut who constantly refers to his or her blog, but he or she can write a comment with a link in it, unlike some other loner whackjob I can think of.Is it all right to comment here on the article referenced above?
Good article. It reads like a transcript of the Cato Daily Podcast interview he did.
Warren, have you seen the pictures of Anastasia Uglova?
Larry Edelstein | March 23, 2007, 8:00pm | #
Yeah h#, that's my great-to-the-you'th grandma I think.I've always been a big fan of that band you founded.
Ooh, almost 5pm Friday! That means KFOG in SF is about to play that cool song you wrote.
highnumber | March 23, 2007, 11:12pm | #
Larry,You're only the second person to suss out the Who reference. You win this round. I'll be back.
Edward | March 24, 2007, 1:51am | #
Wow, this article really cheered me up.Ridgley, in 1800 many were serfs and slaves.
andy | March 24, 2007, 2:22am | #
"Come to think of it, environmentalists and globalization foes are doing nothing else than following their new religion: misanthropism."Since when was "misanthropism" defined simply as anti-anthropocentrism? There's nothing pro-anthro about ruining our environment.
BTW, I wrote a poem for you:
Fuck you and your plasma TVs
Also, fuck your SUVs
I hope you get the HIV
LarryA | March 24, 2007, 10:00am | #
Easily--the 1800s. People were not relentlessly tracked by computers.1. This is an article about the world, not the U.S. In most places in the 1800s people lived and died in small villages or neighborhoods where they were relentlessly tracked by local gossips, and where being different could still get you burned at the stake. Why do you think so many people migrated to the U.S.?
2. Today freedom in the U.S. is indeed being threatened by the PATRIOT Act, et al. But that's nothing new for Congress. OTOH the last two decades have seen We the People, despite rear-guard actions, turn the corner in repudiating gun control, racial tolerance, and religious freedom. (Contrast treatment of Native Americans after the Little Big Horn, Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor, and Muslim-Americans after 9/11.) And we're getting ready to swing the other way on alternate sexual lifestyles. ;-)
The computers that surveil us have also given us the Internet, perhaps the most powerful freedom tool yet.
Guy Montag | March 24, 2007, 10:02am | #
if you were female, you were free not to vote.Women could vote in New Jersey until it was repealed in 1807. Some other States too, as I recall.
On leaded vs. unleaded, the other thing not mentioned yet is lubrication of the valve train. When the lead was removed, cars not buit for unleaded experienced all sorts of valve problems due to the loss of lubrication.
The same thing is happening now in NASCAR, they switched to unleaded this year and some teams are having serious engine problems.
andy | March 24, 2007, 11:25am | #
"The same thing is happening now in NASCAR, they switched to unleaded this year and some teams are having serious engine problems."Hear that sound? It's the world's smallest violin... not giving a fuck.
Guy Montag | March 24, 2007, 12:40pm | #
Andy joins the lead removal from gasoline revisionists.NASCAR Fan | March 24, 2007, 12:43pm | #
I do love watching the cars going around in a circle real fast!Guy Montag | March 24, 2007, 12:53pm | #
A bit amazed that nobody has wercked at happy hour yet. These new cars seem to be exceptionally better than anticipated.Neu Mejican | March 24, 2007, 1:26pm | #
The world is always getting better.Doesn't mean you don't continue trying to improve it.
http://reason.com/blog/show/119293.html#665964
Guy Montag | March 24, 2007, 1:52pm | #
In other news . . .The president of Iran decided not to travel to NYC because, according to his bullshit story, the US State Department did not provide visas "quickly enough".
Meanwhile, the British are sending strongly worded telegrams to Iran in response to their sailors being captured.
Still waiting for Jimmy Carter to pop up and offer his effective negotiating skills honed with his past success dealing with Iran.
Grand Chalupa | March 24, 2007, 2:18pm | #
The biggest threat to freedom is the enviornmentalist movement.Socialism failed so this is the final excuse for government to micromanage our lives.
I hope Al Gore chokes on a drumstick.
Neu Mejican | March 24, 2007, 2:24pm | #
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070323/sc_nm/oceans_dc_5The biggest threat?
Neu Mejican | March 24, 2007, 2:37pm | #
An example of how the environmental movement is stealing your freedoms.http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0319/p20s01-sten.html
"Gadget is like a lot of backyard tinkerers who are trying to solve the nation's energy crisis one volt at a time."
Neu Mejican | March 24, 2007, 2:43pm | #
Another environmentalist endangering your freedoms...http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0315/p12s01-sten.html
"Mike Strizki lives in the nation's first solar-hydrogen house. The technology this civil engineer has been able to string together – solar panels, a hydrogen fuel cell, storage tanks, and a piece of equipment called an electrolyzer – provides electricity to his home year-round, even on the cloudiest of winter days.
Mr. Strizki's monthly utility bill is zero – he's off the power grid – and his system creates no carbon-dioxide emissions. Neither does the fuel-cell car parked in his garage, which runs off the hydrogen his system creates."
Neu Mejican | March 24, 2007, 3:00pm | #
More environmentalists trying to steal your freedoms...http://www.thesustainablevillage.com/products/prod_category.html
http://www.greenbiz.com/about/
zirakzigil | March 24, 2007, 6:36pm | #
Mouse taunts man, makes off with his denturesCaptured rodent escapes from Maine resident, then takes prosthetic teeth
Updated: 3:30 p.m. ET March 24, 2007
WATERVILLE, Maine - Never underestimate a mouse’s determination.
There’s a mouse in Bill Exner’s house that he says he has captured three times. Each time, the mouse escaped, and the last time the rodent made off with his lower dentures.
Exner, 68, said he and his wife Shirley scoured his bedroom after the dentures disappeared from his night stand.
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“We moved the bed, moved the dressers and the night stand and tore the closet apart,” he said. “I said, ‘I knew that little stinker stole my teeth’ — I just knew it.”
They found a small opening in a wall where they suspected the mouse was coming and going, and their daughter’s fiance, Eric Holt, stepped in to help.
“He brought a crowbar and hammer and he sawed off a section of wood and pulled up the molding and everything,” Exner said. “It was quite a job.”
They retrieved the dentures, and Holt suggested his future father-in-law boil them in peroxide and whatever else he could find for to disinfect it.
The mouse apparently isn’t done. It frequently comes out and stares at Exner, his wife said.
“He’s taunting him — I swear he’s taunting him,” Shirley Exner said.
DS | March 24, 2007, 6:52pm | #
Er... relatedly... can anyone help me?Am reading Mark Steyn's book where he talks about how much happier Americans are than Europeans.
"Consider this poll take in 2002 for the anniversary of September 11: 61 percent of Americans said they were optimistic about the future, as opposed to... 29 percent of French... and 15 percent of Russians."
No footnotes. Anyone any idea of a source for this?
actually that should be: 29 percent of the French, 23 percent of Russians, 15 percent of Germans vs 61 percent of you optimistic US of Americans...
crimethink | March 24, 2007, 6:54pm | #
Mark Steyn's ass?Guy Montag | March 24, 2007, 7:54pm | #
Socialism failed so this is the final excuse for government to micromanage our lives.'Environmentalism' is just the latest excuse/disguise for Socialism.
Guy Montag | March 24, 2007, 8:33pm | #
Passage pointed out by AstroPaul:This progress is a testament to the power of globalization and the transfer of ideas and knowledge (that lead is harmful, for example). It's also testament to the importance of trade in transferring technology from developed to developing countries—in this case, the technology needed to remove lead from gasoline.
This is beyond a bad wording error, but understandable in light of the way petrol products are discussed in the press.
As AstroPaul pointed out, lead was an additive and we simply stopped adding it in the 1970s.
Back then, lead was also removed from household paints, due to an issue with infants eating paint chips in urban areas, getting lead poisoning and other problems. Really not sure how much of that was real and how much was 'killer bee/population bomb/chariots of the gods/transfat/unsaturated fat/sugar' hysteria, but lead poisoning of children was an issue.
Somehow, leaded gasoline additives got tossed into the mix “for the children”.
Neu Mejican | March 24, 2007, 11:03pm | #
"Really not sure how much of that was real and how much was 'killer bee/population bomb/chariots of the gods/transfat/unsaturated fat/sugar' hysteria, but lead poisoning of children was an issue."It waw/is the real deal.
A quick review.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1349514&pageindex=1#page
Gamito | March 24, 2007, 11:42pm | #
"Since when was "misanthropism" defined simply as anti-anthropocentrism?"It isn't. Environmentalists are not simply anti-humanists (i.e. anti-anthropocentrists), they are actively anti-human.
"There's nothing pro-anthro about ruining our environment."
There is nothing PRO-human about LIMITING human life and liberty to have some romanticized idea of a "pristine" nature.
BTW, thank you for the poem - I am glad my tax dollars were put to good use to "educate" you.
Gamito | March 24, 2007, 11:45pm | #
"Another environmentalist endangering your freedoms..."Neu Mejican, as long as that person uses his freedom to live off the grid, all is well. It is when hypocrites prescribe and then have the government IMPOSE such lifestyle where we have a problem.
Have you thinked about that even when his on-grid cost is zero, what is his opportunity cost?
Neu Mejican | March 25, 2007, 2:28am | #
Gamito,Your understanding of the environmental movement is mypoic and misinformed.
Have you thinked that?
Guy Montag | March 25, 2007, 6:19am | #
Unless you are starving brown people you are not a true envinronmentalist.That guy "living off the grid" needs a few inspectors crawling all over that hazerdous operation. The great Leftist State of Illinois would help, but they are busy busting bootleg biodiesel operations.
Dave | March 25, 2007, 2:41pm | #
" Easily--the 1800s. People were not relentlessly tracked by computers. They were not relentlessly subject to nationalism and national laws. They could build truly new lives somewhere else and were not subject to a multitude of governmental regulations and restrictions. They did not have to be rich in order to be free."And if you were black, you were property. Let's keep things in perspective.
Dave | March 25, 2007, 2:45pm | #
Ooops. Guess that point was made already.But "keep things in perspective" still stands. What do you think impacts my freedom more, the possiblity that someone in the govermant might get to see what library book I checked out, or a country full of laws and citizen's comittees that ban any personal behavior on my part that they might find objectionable? Look what happened to people like Lenny Bruce in the mid 1900's; I doubt most of the 1800's would have been kinder.
Gamito | March 25, 2007, 2:58pm | #
"Your understanding of the environmental movement is mypoic and misinformed.Have you thinked that?"
Yes, and I arrived at the conclusion that the evidence does not support your allegation. Just considering the utter damage that Silent Spring caused on people's lives (one instance), the facts cannot point my reason towards a different conclusion about environmentalists. The way many regulations have limited or taken away people's right to their property (as in the case of the "wetland" regulations) cannot make me think that environmentalists (who lobbied intensely for these regulations) are these humanist, lovable characters.
Have you stopped to think that YOUR view of the environmentalist movement is naive and romantic?
By the way, Neu "Mejican", it is written Mexican with an X. Or you could call yourself Mexicano Nuevo, if you want to express it in correct Spanish.
David Hogan | March 25, 2007, 3:02pm | #
I had a smiliar discussion to this back in my high school history class in the mid-90s. We were talking about whether the world was getting better or worse, and some people made the point that what was going on in Yugoslavia proved it was getting worse. I tried to explain that the fact that anybody actually cared and was trying to stop the genocide was proof that things were better in our times. Throughout most of history, that would have been expected and not interfered with. And you sure as hell wouldn't have seen the rest of Europe defending the "Turks" (as the Serbs referred to the Bosnian Muslims) from Christians.I have a similar problem with the use of the phrase "this country" in an argument. It usually reveals a stunning ignorance about other countries. As in "this country is so racist". Really? And who else has integrated more cultures, religions, and ethnic groups so well? Whatever "This Country" may be, they are in open warfare over those differences in a lot of other countries. For all the worry about a backlash against American Muslims after 9/11, you have to actually go to a Muslim country if you want to get killed for being (the other kind of) Muslim.
After 20 minutes of listening to a rant about "this country" from a very big-mouthed and very ignorant college girl, I asked her what was better. She told me that in France you can be anything you want! An artist, or a writer!
Of course, those opportunities were not available to her in "This Country". You see, she lived in New York City. That little backwater where a struggling writer could never find an outlet. A town bereft of art galleries. Perspective. I'm just sayin'.
Isaac Bartram | March 25, 2007, 4:40pm | #
David HoganGood post.
After 20 minutes of listening to a rant about "this country" from a very big-mouthed and very ignorant college girl, I asked her what was better. She told me that in France you can be anything you want! An artist, or a writer!
Yes, in France you can be anything the school test you take at about age eleven says you can be.
Now as one of the few francophiles that exist on this site (I have to be, I have French cousins and close friends, a couple of whom are ex-paratroopers who can easily beat the crap out of me), I have to say this is not necessarily a bad thing. But, you are correct, your acquaintance is sadly mistaken if she believes that France is more "democratic" or has more opportunity for "regular folks" than the USA.
It usually reveals a stunning ignorance about other countries.
Indeed. The image of the "average" Frenchmen as some sort of faggot-socialist-pacifist (or "cheese-eating surender monkey) with great sensitivity and artistic taste is soon dispelled in people who have any contact eith the country. Mind you, the same goes for Canada, Britain, Germany, Italy or Australia. Those of you with friends and/or family in any other countries are welcome to make your own comments.
R C Dean | March 26, 2007, 10:02am | #
Its a shame that the level of freedom enjoyed by white men in the 19th century couldn't have been extended to women and minorities.Instead, we have been regressing to the mean - women and minorities have more freedom, but white men have less.
Neu Mejican | March 26, 2007, 11:37am | #
Little Gamito,"it is written Mexican with an X. Or you could call yourself Mexicano Nuevo, if you want to express it in correct Spanish."
Pinche schwein...
Mexico. The recommended spelling for this place name is Mexico, and the correct pronunciation is [méjiko], not *[méksiko]. 'X' is also recommended when writing any of its derivatives: Mexican, mexicanismo, mexiquense (pron. [mejikáno, mejikanísmo, mejikénse]). The apparent lack of correspondence between the spelling and the pronunciation of the letter 'X' is due to the fact that the letter 'X' that appears in the written form of this and other place names in the Americas (see entries for Oaxaca and Texas) retains the value that it had long ago in the language, when it represented a sound that corresponds exactly to modern 'j' (or 'g', before 'e' and 'i') (see 'X', definitions 3 and 4). The archaic spelling is preserved in the Spanish of Mexico and the Americas in general. On the other hand, in Spain the usual spellings were until not long ago Méjico, mejican, etc. Although the forms with 'j' are also correct, Mexico itself recommends using the 'X' spellings, as for the most part does the rest of Hispano-America.
Entry for 'X':
3. In the Middle Ages, the letter 'X' represented an unvoiced fricative palatal sound, the pronunciation of which was very similar to modern English 'sh' or French 'ch'. Thus, words like 'dixo' (nowadays 'dijo') or 'traxo' (nowadays 'trajo') were pronounced [dísho] and [trásho] (where 'sh' represents a sound similar to that we make when we want to impose silence). This archaic sound is preserved in the Spanish of Mexico and other zones of the Americas, in words of Aztec or Mayan origin such such as 'Xola' or 'mixiote' (with the exception of 'Xochimilco', where it sounds like /s/), and in the archaizing pronunciation of certain last names that preserve their original spellings, such as Ximénez or Mexía.
4. The medieval sound described above began to change in the XVIth century, finally becoming the unvoiced velar fricative sound /j/, which in modern writing is represented by the letters 'g' (before 'e' and 'i') and 'j'. Nonetheless, the archaic 'X' is preserved today in several American place names, such as Mexico, Oaxaca and Texas (see associated articles) -- with their respective derivatives Mexican, oaxaqueño, texano, etc. -- and in some last names, such as those mentioned previously. It must not be forgotten that the correct pronunciation of these vocalics uses the sound /j/ ([méjiko], [oajáka], [téjas], [jiménez]), not the sound /ks/ (*[méksiko], *[oaksáka], *[téksas], *[ksiménez]). This archaic letter is also retained in some Spanish place names that today have a modern pronunciation using the sound [k+s], such as Almorox, Borox, Guadix and Sax . Their respective inhabitants (almorojano, borojeño, guadijeño and sajeño) demonstrate that the 'X' that they contain was originally pronounced /j/.
Neu Mejican | March 26, 2007, 11:46am | #
"he way many regulations have limited or taken away people's right to their property (as in the case of the "wetland" regulations) cannot make me think that environmentalists (who lobbied intensely for these regulations) are these humanist, lovable characters."You conflate environmentalism with statism. It is an unwarranted conflation. There is an active & significantly large portion of the environmental movement that is working on private, market-based solutions to environmental problems.
Neu Mejican | March 26, 2007, 11:51am | #
And we won't even get into your misreading of the impact or message of Silent Spring.Next you'll be explaining how it killed millions by leading to a change in the patterns of DDT usage (ignoring the facts & science on that issue).
Like I said misinformed.
Neu Mejican | March 26, 2007, 11:52am | #
Asi es Nuevo MejicoLetra y Musica de Amadeo Lucero
Un canto que traigo muy dentro del alma
Lo canto a mi estado, mi tierra natal.
De flores dorado mi tierra encantada
De lindas mujeres, que no tiene igual.
(Chorus)
Asi es Nuevo Mejico
Asi es esta tierra del sol
De sierras y valles de tierras frutales
Asi es Nuevo Mejico.
Second Verse
El negro, el hispano, el anglo, el indio
Todos son tus hijos, todos por igual.
Tus pueblos y aldeas, mi tierra encantada
De lindas mujeres que no tiene igual.
(Chorus)
Third Verse
El Rio del Norte, que es el Rio Grande,
Sus aguas corrientes flueyen hasta el mar y
riegan tus campos
Mi tierra encantada de lindas mujeres
que no tiene igual.
(Chorus)
Fourth Verse
Tus campos se visten de flores de Mayo
De lindos colores
Que Dios les doto
Tus pajaros cantan mi tierra encantada
Sus trinos de amores
Al ser celestial.
(Chorus)
Fifth Verse
Mi tierra encantada de historia banada
Tan linda, tan bella, sin comparacion.
Te rindo homenaje, te rindo carino
Soldado valiente, te rinde su amor.
(Chorus)
R C Dean | March 26, 2007, 1:23pm | #
There is an active & significantly large portion of the environmental movement that is working on private, market-based solutions to environmental problems.Maybe, but there is a very large and influential part of the environmental movement that is harnessed to creating more and more state controls over our lives.
Indeed, some of the "market" solutions to environmental problems assume the expansion of state control to create an artifical market. See, e.g., "cap and trade" carbon credit schemes.
Neu Mejican | March 26, 2007, 1:31pm | #
RC D,"Indeed, some of the "market" solutions to environmental problems assume the expansion of state control to create an artifical market. See, e.g., "cap and trade" carbon credit schemes."
All markets operate in an environment of government regulations. How artificial one market is compared to another is all a matter of perspective. To pretend that the current energy market is any less artificial than the one proposed by the cap & trade crowd is naive.
I know that you are not naive, so I wonder why you use cap & trade as an example?