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To the Smokemobile!

It looks like Belmont, California, will continue to allow smoking in cars and in detached, single-family homes. But the strictest version of a proposed ordinance the city council began considering this week would prohibit smoking just about everywhere else, including outdoor bar and restaurant seating, sidewalks, streets, parking lots, apartments, and condominiums. The innovation of telling people they may not light up in their own homes, while simultaneously telling them they may not go outside to smoke, has attracted nationwide attention since it was first suggested last year. 

Michael Siegel notes another interesting wrinkle in the draft ordinance: While smoking in a prohibited location would be an "infraction" punishable by a $100 fine, "causing, permitting, aiding, abetting, or concealing" such smoking would be a misdemeanor, raising the possibility of larger fines, jail, and a criminal record. Failing to report illicit smoking could be treated as a misdemeanor, Siegel warns, so if you must visit Belmont but want to avoid jail, "make sure to wear a bag over your head so that you cannot possibly see anyone smoking."

Yet another fun fact about the proposed law: Confirming conservatives' worst nightmares about California, it explicitly allows pot smoking (for medical purposes) while banning cigarette smoking.  

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Comments to "To the Smokemobile!":

Timothy | March 16, 2007, 4:16pm | #

All smoke smells quite bad
But lefties like the tasty pot
Hippies smell like poo.

haiku-number | March 16, 2007, 4:19pm | #

GM's worst nightmare
the pot smokers can tell him
"put that out, sicko!"

dhex | March 16, 2007, 4:20pm | #

timothy ur wrong
good dank smells like nice strong mint
why am i hungry?

Antarctic Penguin | March 16, 2007, 4:21pm | #

While I certainly do oppose this law on principle, I must admit I have less of a problem with it than I do most nanny-state types of laws. For one thing, smoking actually CAN impact another person not participating in the activity. Again, I want to stress I STILL do oppose the law; just not to the degree I do most nanny-state laws.

Timothy | March 16, 2007, 4:22pm | #

dhex must be one
of those goddamn hippie fuckers
please don't beat me up

andy | March 16, 2007, 4:23pm | #

Timothy's haiku
Has too many syllables
In the second line

erik | March 16, 2007, 4:24pm | #

Okay so a little 2nd hand smoke is horrible, but a contact buzz is fine???

Lamar | March 16, 2007, 4:24pm | #

I wonder if someone could be held liable in tort for, I dunno, some kind of battery for smoking where the good citizens of Crazyfornia only inhale the most pristine smog-saturated air.

violent_k | March 16, 2007, 4:26pm | #

Honest, Officer
'tis not a cig but a joint
that would be quite odd

JimmyDaGeek | March 16, 2007, 4:26pm | #

I agree, andy.
Where is MadTom when needed?
With his Grammar Gun.

andy | March 16, 2007, 4:26pm | #

After posting mine
I found that Tim's second
Has too many too

Christopher Monnier | March 16, 2007, 4:28pm | #

> it explicitly allows pot smoking (for medical purposes) while banning cigarette smoking.

What about candles or incense? Do these not generate toxic smoke?

andy | March 16, 2007, 4:29pm | #

And my second one
Has one too few syllables.
Damn I'm fucking dumb

JimmyDaGeek | March 16, 2007, 4:32pm | #

Try smoking corn husks
when need HFCS fix.
More taste, less filling.

Warren | March 16, 2007, 4:34pm | #

If I think it's wrong,
Then it should be illegal.
Left and Right agree.

dhex | March 16, 2007, 4:34pm | #

timothy no dude
i just gots the glaucoma
and some migranes too

The Wine Commonsewer | March 16, 2007, 4:36pm | #

Went to lunch with the Old Lady today and almost suffocated on the smell of stale perfume. I'da much rather shared some second hand cigarette smoke. Or even cigar smoke.

My old buddy Caffrey (a libertarian) has this to say about banning smoke:

Chowing down on a thick porterhouse with a fine red and playing "21" are two different things. You can blow smoke all over me when I double down on on a hard 11 into a dealer's 6. I don't give a sh** about that. Just keep your cig smoke away from my sauteed onions and mushrooms.

That illustrates the problem well. People like smoke free dining and they don't care. That's why every state will ban public smoking. It's as simple as mind over matter. They don't mind and smoker's don't matter (nor do property rights).

In other nukes, rumor has it that Arizona is going smoke free.

Ogden Nash | March 16, 2007, 4:37pm | #

candy is dandy
liquor is quicker
pot is not

B.P. | March 16, 2007, 4:46pm | #

You can't smoke in here
That's okay, I'll go outside
You can't smoke out here

Timothy | March 16, 2007, 4:47pm | #

Eight syllables is
too goddamn many damn it
Learn to count, Dreier

JimmyDaGeek | March 16, 2007, 4:47pm | #

No work accomplished.
Hope I.T. not tracking net
usage, or I'm screwed.

Cab | March 16, 2007, 4:48pm | #

I wonder if they
will ban the sale of the smokes
within the city?

Cab | March 16, 2007, 4:50pm | #

and perhaps forgo
any future tobacco
settlement moeny

haiku-number | March 16, 2007, 4:52pm | #

condominums?
I want to smoke where I live.
What - no homestead laws?

JimmyDaGeek | March 16, 2007, 4:55pm | #

Smoking contributes
to global warming, says Gore.
Must never exhale.

Art | March 16, 2007, 5:10pm | #

"I have less of a problem with it than I do most nanny-state types of laws. For one thing, smoking actually CAN impact another person not participating in the activity."

Not liking something and creating your own science to justify your tyrany are too different things.

The nicotine Nazi's have been trying to get the facts to justify there assualt on freedom and liberty for years but the facts wouldn't cooperate. But don't worry they just tell everyone the conclusion they want and fuck the facts.

Next up:
Banning second hand BBQ smoke.

crimethink | March 16, 2007, 5:16pm | #

Can't smoke anywhere,
Butt can still fart everywhere?
Flatus smells much worse.

violent_k | March 16, 2007, 5:21pm | #

Flatus does smell worse.
is not inhaled for pleasure
so it is OK

lunchstealer | March 16, 2007, 5:27pm | #

violent k missed
the south park "smug" episode
about the hybrid cars

The Real Bill | March 16, 2007, 5:32pm | #

Belmont sucks anyway. Or should that be: Belmonters suck any way you likee?

Stevo Darkly | March 16, 2007, 5:33pm | #

I do not smoke but
Tobacco stinks, whereas pot
Smells nice (like Styx concert)

Nick M. | March 16, 2007, 5:33pm | #

damn you guys to hell
write work reports in haiku
must work late to fix

crimethink | March 16, 2007, 5:38pm | #

Ask people near you,
May I fart, before it's done.
They'll not give consent.

Stevo Darkly | March 16, 2007, 5:47pm | #

When pigeon smokes pot
It turns Japanese poet:
Utters a "high coo"!

David | March 16, 2007, 5:48pm | #

A quick puff of smoke
not quite carefully hidden
hundred dollars lost

MadTom | March 16, 2007, 5:57pm | #

MadTom attempts work.
Grammar enforcement needed.
Stupid Intertubes.

The Real Bill | March 16, 2007, 6:01pm | #

Belmont is a city without any open space between its neighbors. Wouldn't it be fun to stand just past the border on a sidewalk, smoking a cig, just to see if a cop would hassle you? Mmmmmm.... false arrest or police harassment lawsuit would be nice.

The Real Bill | March 16, 2007, 6:02pm | #

Argh. ...between it and its neighbors.

MadTom | March 16, 2007, 6:02pm | #

On topic for once:
I want to go to Belmont.
Giant Fuente.

David | March 16, 2007, 6:05pm | #

The lawsuit would lose
Sovereign immunity
Can't beat city hall

Captain Holly | March 16, 2007, 6:06pm | #

Styx concerts are cool
but "smells nice like Styx concert"
has six syllables

Stevo Darkly has
great taste in rock music but
has no haiku sense

dhex | March 16, 2007, 6:23pm | #

"Stevo Darkly | March 16, 2007, 5:47pm | #
When pigeon smokes pot
It turns Japanese poet:
Utters a "high coo"!"

cannot stop laughing
but i still have to wonder
how he smokes with claws

Stevo Darkly | March 16, 2007, 6:30pm | #

cannot stop laughing
but i still have to wonder
how he smokes with claws


"Have they large talons?"
Napolean Dynamite
Said that in movie

Stevo Darkly has
great taste in rock music but
has no haiku sense


Oh noes and dammit
I bring shame to this blog, now
I commit sepukku

David | March 16, 2007, 6:31pm | #

Smoking with talons
Definitely safer than
Smoking with Feathers

crimethink | March 16, 2007, 6:33pm | #

crimethink laughs so hard,
His belly won't stop jiggling.
Must lose twenty pounds.

haiku-number | March 16, 2007, 6:44pm | #

Second suicide
Commenters not fairing well
Bye, Stevo Darkly

Captain Holly | March 16, 2007, 6:47pm | #

Please Stevo do not
commit haiku sepukku
Things will get better

Hit and Run without
Stevo is like a barren
socialist wasteland

edna | March 16, 2007, 7:16pm | #

i cannot do shift
but at least i can count well
i think this makes five.

my rolling papers;
tight spliffs stuffed with the kind bud
get me quite hungry.

brotherben | March 16, 2007, 7:18pm | #

this is getting bad
it has turned in to cheap ass
haiku bukakke

Madog | March 16, 2007, 7:29pm | #

Sounds like a market for tobacco vaporizers...

edna | March 16, 2007, 8:00pm | #

despite its spelling
"seppuku" has two syllables.
do better next time.

Ray G | March 16, 2007, 10:19pm | #

Dennis Prager has long made the excellent point that in the 50s, everyone smoked, and no one cursed. Now everyone curses, and smoking is socially reprehensible, or so "they" would have us believe.

I don't curse or smoke, but the whole anti-tobacco thing is so overblown that I'm tempted at times to go buy a pack and start smoking in all of the wrong places.

mediageek | March 16, 2007, 11:29pm | #

mediageek has
too many syllables in it
no good at haiku


:(

Guy Montag | March 16, 2007, 11:38pm | #

Free to smoke *SOME* plants. Free indeed . . .

Guy Montag | March 17, 2007, 6:56am | #

Yet another fun fact about the proposed law: Confirming conservatives' worst nightmares about California, it explicitly allows pot smoking (for medical purposes) while banning cigarette smoking.

Actually, that was just an easy to make prediction.

Autoversicherung | March 17, 2007, 11:14am | #

All smoke smells quite bad
But lefties like the tasty pot
Hippies smell like poo.

tommy | March 17, 2007, 11:25am | #

I remember an old Johnny Carson joke:
Q: What's the definition of a Californian?
A: Someone who complains about your second-hand smoke while snorting your cocaine.

Lioni | March 17, 2007, 11:33am | #

The lawsuit would lose
Sovereign immunity
Can't beat city hall

James Anderson Merritt | March 18, 2007, 4:12pm | #

Here in Santa Cruz County, the Supervisors have voted unanimously to ban the use of tobacco in county parks. I'm not just talking about smoking, but the possession or use of any tobacco product. The ordinance will probably be made permanent after its second reading, later this month. I wrote the following letter of protest to the Supervisor in my district (whose name has been excised to protect the guilty):

Dear Mr. XXXXX,

I read with great disappointment the news that the Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to ban the use of tobacco products in county parks. In advance of the final reading later this month, I ask you and the other Supervisors to reconsider and rescind this action.

Based on the health concerns swirling around second-hand tobacco smoke, campaigns to ban indoor smoking have met with great success in this and other regions of the country. As smokers have been forced outside, those who would ban their habit altogether have followed them, pushing to ban smoking in various outdoor venues, as well. The ban that is currently under consideration goes further yet, by targeting not just tobacco smoking in our county parks, but the use of tobacco in any way, regardless of how considerate and responsible the tobacco user might be, or how much any real person’s actual health or well-being may be threatened by the tobacco user’s activities. In my opinion, the ordinance that the Supervisors are on the verge of making permanent goes way too far.

I do not smoke. I think it is a filthy habit. My own mother died of complications from a lifetime of smoking. I am no fan of tobacco or the tobacco industry. But I am likewise no fan of making an addict’s situation even worse. And I am definitely a fan of the individual’s freedom to live his life as he chooses, so long as he does so without harming or endangering others. I know from personal experience that diesel and other exhaust fumes from motor vehicles and industrial equipment are more dangerous, and that other people’s body odor, perfumes, and bad breath are often much more objectionable, than any tobacco smoke I have encountered. Smoke quickly dissipates in the air, and the smoker’s contribution to air pollution is negligible, which is why the anti-smoking crowd was so successful in getting others to support them as they forced smokers outside in the first place. Are you aware of any studies that identify tobacco smoke outdoors as a menace that is even equal to those other pollutants I mentioned, much less worse? In my opinion, making smokers “take it outside” is as far as we can legitimately go with what is shaping up to be the outright persecution of smokers. I am baffled as to why our own Board of Supervisors thinks it is appropriate to ban even the use of smokeless tobacco in the parks, which need not endanger the health of well-being of anyone other than the user!

It is legitimate for the County to look out for the health and safety of those who visit the parks, as well as to promote the proper maintenance of the properties by, for example, prohibiting and punishing litter, whether caused by the use of tobacco or any other reason. But any tobacco user who is considerate of others, and who does not litter in the park, should not have to pay a fine or suffer any other punishment, for engaging in what is otherwise a legal activity involving a legal substance. Tobacco users own property and pay taxes in support of county parks, too. They also pay hefty excise and sales taxes when they purchase tobacco products. Doesn’t their contribution to government coffers entitle them to some consideration and protection, as well? What are we to say about a society that makes some of its members into pariahs, and then takes money from them to finance their own punishment and continued persecution?

The ban on tobacco use in county parks appears to be an ill-conceived, much too broad restriction on people’s personal liberty. In Santa Cruz, we are often exhorted to “share” with others – to practice understanding and tolerance toward those whose appearance, views, or practices might at first alarm or offend us. This is a fine principle, but we need to be consistent in applying it toward users of tobacco. Share the parks with them. Tolerate their considerate and responsible use of this drug. Think about the Golden Rule before you cast your final vote to ban tobacco use in county parks. Your stand for or against personal liberty will figure prominently in my future voting decisions, and my recommendations to others about theirs. I’d like to say that Mr. XXXXXX helped convince the Supervisors to uphold everyone’s freedom, when the easy thing to do would have been to bow to politically correct orthodoxy.

Thank you for your time and your consideration of my concerns.

=========================================

Here is the reply I received:

Dear Mr. Merritt-

Thank you for your thoughtful letter regarding the ban on the use of tobacco product in county parks. I'm afraid this is an issue where we will continue to disagree. I understand your view but I believe the health considerations, effect on children using the parks, and the costs the county must bear for tobacco-related illness cause me to come to a different conclusion. Thank you for taking the time to write concerning this issue.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX, Supervisor
=========================================

If I lived in Calevaras County, I'd at least be able to count on multiply re-elected Libertarian Supervisor Tom Tryon to be on the side of freedom. I think I know why the electoral frog jumped to put him and keep him in office: the water was beginning to boil. Here in Santa Cruz County, the roiling boil has been going on for a while...

Pepe | March 18, 2007, 10:23pm | #

"wonder if someone could be held liable in tort for, I dunno, some kind of battery for smoking where the good citizens of Crazyfornia only inhale the most pristine smog-saturated air."

Belmont is a little rich enclave nestled in the hills down the peninsula from San Francisco. There is no smog there or really much of anywhere around the Bay (not all of California is LA).

An ordinance in a silly little NorCal suburb isn't exactly the same thing as state law. Although it is certainly in keeping with recent trends.

Robert | March 18, 2007, 11:37pm | #

Will Santa Cruz allow nicotine gum or patches in the park?

Stan | March 19, 2007, 3:34am | #

I would legalize smoking pot and tobacco, prostitution, gambling and driving without seatbelt.
What we need is a ban on forum spam and haiku...

The Pod Guy | March 19, 2007, 1:55pm | #

You're not supposed to put a bag over your head to avoid seeing smokers. On seeing them, you should stand stock still point at them with one stiffly outstreched arm and emmit a loud, trilling scream until they can be caught and appropriately processed.

It's in the training film.