More on Student Loans
Nick Gillespie | January 17, 2007, 9:17am
In his syndicated column, Jacob Sullum runs through the arguments against student loans and the unintended effects they may have on education costs.
A story in today's Washington Times does a bit more of the math: If the Dems manage to pass a law cutting interest rates on need-based loans from 6.8 percent to 3.4 percent, "It ultimately would save the average student borrower about $4,400 over the life of a loan." Recall that college grads on average make $1 million more over their lifetimes than high school grads.
The cost of the program, which would be phased in slowly until 2011? The Dems say "$5.85 billion over five years. The National Taxpayers Union said the original version from last year would have cost $37 billion." It's not clear what NTU estimates the current version will cost.
Last year, Kerry Howley looked at the panic over Generation Debt and concluded that college kids with $20,000 to pay off in loans were likely to do pretty well after all.
Genghis Kahn | January 17, 2007, 11:54am | #
pinko,
See, I'd like the U.S. to regain the edge that we once had, so I am for continuing to make advanced education more widely available through such measures as lower interest rates on student loans.
Seems a bit better than importing our engineers, doctors, and scientists from overseas at such high rates.
Are you an engineer, scientist, or doctor? Just curious, because I'm an engineer. In my masters degree I was in a lot of classes where I was the only American (including professors).
Brain draining the rest of the world is not a bad thing for us to do. However, the real problem lies elsewhere.
As an engineer, I have never had the experience of employers knocking my doors down to hire me. There are a few "flavor of the week" hot demand specialties that shift over time, but most of us engineers have to hussel to get jobs. My scientist friends tell me it's worse for them.
Somebody tell me why they keep screaming about the shortage of US grad degrees in science and technology. If we go educate a new big wave of them, where the hell are they going to work? I don't see the jobs.
Somebody said "engineers are some of the lowest paid smart people around". I am convinced that is partly because our profession is glutted with degreed engineers. And now we're finding that our work (engineering) is getting shipped overseas.
I don't know exactly where in the economy our "edge" is coming from, but I don't believe it's just technology anymore. A lot of engineering that you used to have to do state side, is now routine enough that shipping it over to Korea, China, and India is no big deal. What was hard to do 40 years ago is more nearly like baking a cake today.
Extreme example: 100 years ago, consistently producing high quality steel was difficult. Today any idiot can do it.
What I see happening here in the US is that we're going to go even more high tech than we've been, but the number of people working it is going down. Intel, HP, even GE's commercial jet engine engineering, has gone overseas already, and the trend is continuing.
So this is definitely true
Furthermore, there comes a point when we have too much education.
and it's definitely true of science and engineering.
If anybody has a crystal ball that can see where our "edge" is coming from, now that science, technology, and manufacturing alone cannot explain it, I'd be interested.
[and btw, gov't subsidized college is stupid for at least half a million different reasons in case I didn't make that clear yet]
TrickyVic | January 17, 2007, 2:00pm | #
"""The Democrats' eagerness to cut interest rates on student loans reflects a time-honored Washington maxim: If it's good, it should be subsidized."""
Cutting interest rates do not equal to subsidizing. If so, Jacob must have been in agony when the prime rate was 1%.
You can get 0% interest on a car loan, does that mean your car is subsidized by the bank holding the note? If so, by how much? Then we must play the how much interest should be on a car loan game. If a low interest rate is a subsidy, then what's a high interest rate?
Some religions forbid making money on money.
I wonder if the new law would affect those of us who have consolidated?
Many people don't know that when you consolidate, they increase the term of the loan to 20 years. Unless you call and change it back to a 10 year loan (which I did) you pay MORE for your loan.
Consolidating school loans is a scam to get you to pay more interest than what you would with the normal loan. I could pay $100 to $150 less a month, but I would be paying interest on a loan for 20 years instead of 10.
"""Are you an engineer, scientist, or doctor? Just curious, because I'm an engineer. In my masters degree I was in a lot of classes where I was the only American (including professors).""""
Although the above was not directed at me, my experience was about the same. I had a couple of American professors. However, only one of my electronics professors was American. Most of them were from them were mid-east or Asia minor. Excluding one Russian.
Grace | January 17, 2007, 7:45pm | #
Here's a denverpost.com commentary on the subject:
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4987336
Fix the student loan mess
By Alan M. Collinge
Article Last Updated: 01/10/2007 07:20:43 PM MST
When Congress amended the Higher Education Act 10 years ago, defaulted student loans became the easiest and most lucrative debt to issue and collect.
The amendments imposed huge fees on defaulted student loans and took away bankruptcy protection for student borrowers. It banned refinancing of many student loans, and also allowed draconian collection measures to be taken against student borrowers, including wage garnishment, tax garnishment, withholding of professional certifications, termination from employment, and even Social Security garnishment.
Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren told The Wall Street Journal that "student loan debt collectors have power that would make a mobster envious." And no one makes the mobsters greener than Al Lord and his Student Loan Marketing Corporation, also known as Sallie Mae.
Lord and current CEO Tim Fitzpatrick have made about $367 million since 1999, making them some of the highest-paid executives in the country.
Sallie Mae stock has also gone up almost 20 times in the same period. Way more than Microsoft.
There are only two ways to get that kind of growth with that kind of profit. 1) You do things smarter, better, fast. 2) Do what Sallie Mae did: get into a business where government assumes all the risk - guaranteed student loans - but where a private company gets all the reward. As a result, Sallie Mae became largest student loan company in America, bigger than most of their rivals combined.
In the company's annual report, Lord attributed his company's 29% core cash earnings-per-share growth in large part to fees collected from defaulted loans. He forgot to mention that the law allowed him to forbid Sallie's customers from refinancing with competitors offering better deals.
Meanwhile, the borrowers suffer.
Many student loan debtors in default find themselves unable to function in society, and are faced with a decision to either continue the paralysis and live in fear, or begin making payments on a massively inflated amount - often double, triple or quadruple what they originally borrowed.
StudentLoanJustice.Org has received thousands of stories from citizens whose lives have been shattered by their student loans.
People who default on student loans are typically decent citizens who, for one reason or another, were not able to capitalize on their education.
Most agree that they are responsible to pay back what they borrowed, but most cannot afford to pay back the wildly increased amounts that the federal law has allowed to be imposed upon them.
The student loan system in the U.S. has been hijacked by Albert Lord and his friends. Let there be no mistake: These are not creative geniuses who invented a new product or service. These are not captains of industry who built markets and competed their way to the top. Rather, these are nothing more than well-connected executives who took an existing market and used their weight in Congress to erect insurmountable barriers to competition.
Here are just two examples: Sallie Mae convinced Congress that allowing borrowers to reconsolidate student loans would cost taxpayers money, so they banned it. Then they sidestepped the law against inducements (also known as kickbacks) by permitting Sallie Mae to loan schools money to make student loans in the school's name, then sell them to Sallie Mae for a "commission."
Imagine if any other business tried that. It would be ridiculous. Or illegal. For Sallie Mae, it was a business model.
This cannot be what Congress intended when the Higher Education Act of 1965 was created. And it must be among the first things the new Congress fixes this year.
Alan M. Collinge is the founder of Student Loan Justice in Washington, D.C. (studentloanjustice.org), a grassroots group of thousands of student borrowers.